My point was that what's on paper doesn't always tell the true story of the person, and what they're capable of doing. I've known people that had to do their boss' job because they left, and that person was never considered for the job because they lacked the education, but then has to train the new boss. We put way too much emphasis on what's written on paper then what reality is.
That, however, is not what you originally said. While I agree that people can lie about their accomplishments and what they are qualified for (which, by the way, is also a very fun discussion ), there has to be some standard of measure to be able to make decisions of hiring. That is why qualifications matter. Not gender, not skin color, not eye color, not heritage: qualifications. That is the whole point right there, which people are qualified, based solely on experience (in my opinion, personal and professional matters) and education (formal and informal). This is a truly non-discriminatory approach, and it is what should be used.
I am not going to sit here and say that there are some who are discriminatory based on age (another item not touched upon here), gender, ethnic background, or religion. Those are the people who either need to re-evaluate themselves, or go the way of the Dodo (figuratively speaking).
People in South America and Central Anerica can be of entirely European - from German, to Italian to Spanish and Portuguese, and mixed a European - descent, particularly the further south you go, or mixed racially. The terms used in South America for mixed race are apparantly not comfortable here so I won't list them. If the ethnic group of a person is Spanish ( 80% of Argentina is for instance) then the racial group is white/European. Hispanic can't be above race and an "ethnicity". What you Americans do with all people born South of the rio grande is similar to calling all Americans born north of the rio grande Anglos ( or maybe Hanglos) even if they are Asian, black, white, whatever because the original culture was English.
Exactly my point. "Latinos" is just a racist way to describe those who are not of "anglo-saxon" stock, whatever this nonsense may mean.
Hmm... I don’t really want to attack and eat people...
That's just nasty. Bad @Tallest Skil, very bad. Go to the chalk board and write "I will not eat people" 100 times.... " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Sorry, this discussion is getting very heated at times. Some good slap stick humor is in order....
Actually the diverse genealogy of Panama started much earlier than the canal project. Slave traders, gold miners, sugar cane farmers, conquistadors, pirates, indigenous tribes, etc. My town is actually older than the canal by several years. European immigrant gold prospectors became tobacco farmers, later turned to coffee farmers. The Chinese came to work on the canal, though.
Being hispanic myself I'm well aware of the history that transformed our countries. The building of the canal gave Panama an extra influx of diversity.
Ethnic group, or community are becoming scientific substitute words for race because race is untenable.
Ethnic group is a subset of race. A German ethnic is a white European. A Chinese ethic is Asian.It then can't also be used to describe national cultures particularly for colonial groups. Calling everybody in panama an ethnic group because of a shared culture is like calling everybody, regardless of race, in the US an ethnic group because of a shared culture.
Exactly my point. "Latinos" is just a racist way to describe those who are not of "anglo-saxon" stock, whatever this nonsense may mean.
I don't see it that way at all. It is just a way of the general public in the US describing Central Americans who are a mix of Native American and European bloodlines, usually have brownish skin, with dark straight black hair who natively speak spanish. it is genetic term but it is not derogatory at all. It is better than calling them mestizos or pardos. The whole concept of race in Central America is too complicated to define.
He made some valid points in the previous reply to you. You have something that most people don't have. You're very intelligent and it sounds like you came from a loving, responsible family. That is a tremendous resource for being able to see past your immediate needs to a better future. These "blacks and hispanics" more interested in "thumping their chests" has nothing to do with some innate genetic code that relates to the colour of their skin, but to some degree to nature and nurture.
If you aren't taught certain social habits by a certain age it can be very hard to learn these later on, especially if you have average to below average intelligence. The following link is about a sad story of an abused girl I use as an extreme example of the importance of nurture (and potentially nature) of a rearing a child.
My point was that I could have easily fallen into that same social inequity. I had all the indicators of being one too. Instead of being lucky if I land a job as a day laborer or working in a Tacqueria for the rest of my life, my parents - poor as they were - laid the law of the land, made sure I kept in line growing up and focus on what was important. That parenting concept is hugely lacking in today's society, especially in the black/latino community. I say this from first-hand experience every single day, to this day. Sure, both parents have to work to make ends meet, so don't have the time to raise their kids. Sure, school systems in poorer areas make it difficult to get the tools into the hands of everyone. The Jesse Jackson's of the world blame everyone for their hardships... etc..
I don't need - nor want - Apple to have to bend over by some whining Jesse Jackson jerkoff and say companies like Apple aren't doing enough to create diversity in their company. It's NOT their problem at all. It's parents, families, personal motivation, and accountability.
People like Sog35 just thinks everyone is a victim from outside influences, and that's just not the case. I suspect he's some white guy pretending to know what goes on in the cultural communities of places he's never experienced outside of some youtube videos.
Latino is such a strange term. It excludes Italians.
Or Spanish, French or anyone else speaking a Latin-based language.
usage: In US English, Hispanic is the standard accepted term when referring to Spanish-speaking people living in the US. Other, more specific, terms such as Latino (for people of Latin American descent) and Chicano (for those of Mexican descent) are also used where occasion demands. With these words of Spanish origin, the feminine forms Latina and Chicana should be used when referring to women or girls. The masculine forms (with -o) are used when referring to both sexes together, or to men or boys. See also usage at Chicano.
That is the part that is scientifically problematic which is why most scientists have abandoned the concept of race altogether and adopted ethnic group as a more flexible way to describe groups of Homo Sapiens.
No need to qualify it; if you think it's BS then by all means say so as plainly as possible. The last thing I want is for you to beat around the bush.
Not what you said Solips. I was mainly referring to Sog35's crap. He's not even worth the effort of an explanation anymore. He pretends to know what minorities go through, when he is about as ignorant as they come.
That's the problem. You can't see past yourself which, unsurprisingly, explains why you have so much vitriol for any culture that is different from the one you were born into.
I see what you mean now, and I believe that you would have a point if we were talking about a foreign culture and we could have a discussion about that, but I thought that we were talking about Americans rioting? Do they not live in the same country that I do? Do they not go to public schools like I did? Do they not read books like I do? Do they not have access to the same information that I do on the internet?
There is no excuse for the thug's behavior. And there are certain universal guidelines that I judge people by that all humans should abide by, regardless of where they come from and regardless of whatever predicament they were born into it and regardless of whatever stupid beliefs and religions people might follow.
they are as "ethnic" as any enslaved Palestinian in Gaza.
Nobody is enslaved in Gaza, besides a few innocent people there who are victims of Hamas. Their current situation is a result of their own stupid, decades long aggression and they deserve whatever comes their way. People should take responsibility for their own actions and decisions.
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My point was that what's on paper doesn't always tell the true story of the person, and what they're capable of doing. I've known people that had to do their boss' job because they left, and that person was never considered for the job because they lacked the education, but then has to train the new boss. We put way too much emphasis on what's written on paper then what reality is.
That, however, is not what you originally said. While I agree that people can lie about their accomplishments and what they are qualified for (which, by the way, is also a very fun discussion
I am not going to sit here and say that there are some who are discriminatory based on age (another item not touched upon here), gender, ethnic background, or religion. Those are the people who either need to re-evaluate themselves, or go the way of the Dodo (figuratively speaking).
Exactly my point. "Latinos" is just a racist way to describe those who are not of "anglo-saxon" stock, whatever this nonsense may mean.
Hmm... I don’t really want to attack and eat people...
That's just nasty. Bad @Tallest Skil, very bad. Go to the chalk board and write "I will not eat people" 100 times....
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Sorry, this discussion is getting very heated at times. Some good slap stick humor is in order....
I also found it funny when people complained that Apple hired the smartest people in the music industry.
Being hispanic myself I'm well aware of the history that transformed our countries. The building of the canal gave Panama an extra influx of diversity.
This guy has stopped more people from getting ahead than anybody.
Ethnic group is a subset of race. A German ethnic is a white European. A Chinese ethic is Asian.It then can't also be used to describe national cultures particularly for colonial groups. Calling everybody in panama an ethnic group because of a shared culture is like calling everybody, regardless of race, in the US an ethnic group because of a shared culture.
You ever watch Sabado Gigante hosted by Don Francisco whose real name is Mario Luis Kreutzberger Blumenfeld? He was born in Chile to German parents.
Latino is such a strange term. It excludes Italians.
He also established a hierarchy based on colour.
I don't see it that way at all. It is just a way of the general public in the US describing Central Americans who are a mix of Native American and European bloodlines, usually have brownish skin, with dark straight black hair who natively speak spanish. it is genetic term but it is not derogatory at all. It is better than calling them mestizos or pardos. The whole concept of race in Central America is too complicated to define.
He made some valid points in the previous reply to you. You have something that most people don't have. You're very intelligent and it sounds like you came from a loving, responsible family. That is a tremendous resource for being able to see past your immediate needs to a better future. These "blacks and hispanics" more interested in "thumping their chests" has nothing to do with some innate genetic code that relates to the colour of their skin, but to some degree to nature and nurture.
If you aren't taught certain social habits by a certain age it can be very hard to learn these later on, especially if you have average to below average intelligence. The following link is about a sad story of an abused girl I use as an extreme example of the importance of nurture (and potentially nature) of a rearing a child.
Bullshit... (no disrespect towards you Solips.)
My point was that I could have easily fallen into that same social inequity. I had all the indicators of being one too. Instead of being lucky if I land a job as a day laborer or working in a Tacqueria for the rest of my life, my parents - poor as they were - laid the law of the land, made sure I kept in line growing up and focus on what was important. That parenting concept is hugely lacking in today's society, especially in the black/latino community. I say this from first-hand experience every single day, to this day. Sure, both parents have to work to make ends meet, so don't have the time to raise their kids. Sure, school systems in poorer areas make it difficult to get the tools into the hands of everyone. The Jesse Jackson's of the world blame everyone for their hardships... etc..
I don't need - nor want - Apple to have to bend over by some whining Jesse Jackson jerkoff and say companies like Apple aren't doing enough to create diversity in their company. It's NOT their problem at all. It's parents, families, personal motivation, and accountability.
People like Sog35 just thinks everyone is a victim from outside influences, and that's just not the case. I suspect he's some white guy pretending to know what goes on in the cultural communities of places he's never experienced outside of some youtube videos.
/rant
Or Spanish, French or anyone else speaking a Latin-based language.
Next time build an Armada, and try to conquer the new world.
That is the part that is scientifically problematic which is why most scientists have abandoned the concept of race altogether and adopted ethnic group as a more flexible way to describe groups of Homo Sapiens.
No need to qualify it; if you think it's BS then by all means say so as plainly as possible. The last thing I want is for you to beat around the bush.
No need to qualify it; if you think it's BS then by all means say so as plainly as possible. The last thing I want is for you to beat around the bush.
Not what you said Solips. I was mainly referring to Sog35's crap. He's not even worth the effort of an explanation anymore. He pretends to know what minorities go through, when he is about as ignorant as they come.
That's the problem. You can't see past yourself which, unsurprisingly, explains why you have so much vitriol for any culture that is different from the one you were born into.
I see what you mean now, and I believe that you would have a point if we were talking about a foreign culture and we could have a discussion about that, but I thought that we were talking about Americans rioting? Do they not live in the same country that I do? Do they not go to public schools like I did? Do they not read books like I do? Do they not have access to the same information that I do on the internet?
There is no excuse for the thug's behavior. And there are certain universal guidelines that I judge people by that all humans should abide by, regardless of where they come from and regardless of whatever predicament they were born into it and regardless of whatever stupid beliefs and religions people might follow.
they are as "ethnic" as any enslaved Palestinian in Gaza.
Nobody is enslaved in Gaza, besides a few innocent people there who are victims of Hamas. Their current situation is a result of their own stupid, decades long aggression and they deserve whatever comes their way. People should take responsibility for their own actions and decisions.