Just saying that the obvious isn't always so. There are countless of examples where a 'can't miss' did just that, and something bound to fail became a big success.
Apple's success and corresponding valuation come form having substantially more hits than misses. And rarely does apple just get a base hit. Usually it's a grand slam followers by another. (I know you have to have base hits for a grand slam to work but you can count the ecosystem that also gets boosted with every new product) The interesting part is because apple is so large even a killer product by another company's metrics will appear to be a non-starter. e.g. iPhone 5C. I predict the Apple watch will do fine. Most won't understand what that means and, quite frankly, they don't have to. It will add several billion to Apple's bottom line and make those that buy it happy even if it only sells in Apple TV quantities.
I don't know of any group of people that large that accurately fall under a single stereotype. As the number of people within a grouping grows the harder it is to make an accurate specific statement.
Actually it was unusual back then, stop confusing the practices of the USA with the rest of the world. I purchased unlocked Nokia smartphones in 2007 (actually I purchased Nokia unlocked smartphones in 2002), it wasn't hard to find them.
And the discussion is based around the launch of the original iPhone, which started in the USA and spread outward over time. It has continually defined the market from day one even though someones corner wasn't affected from day one.
And the discussion is based around the launch of the original iPhone, which started in the USA and spread outward over time. It has continually defined the market from day one even though someones corner wasn't affected from day one.
The mobile scene in the USA was quite backward compared to other countries when the iPhone was released, again don't confuse the USA with the rest of the world
The mobile scene in the USA was quite backward compared to other countries when the iPhone was released, again don't confuse the USA with the rest of the world
What is the point you want to win?
The iPhone was a smart phone out of the gate and has continued to define it since. Most people here would agree with that statement.
We’ve proven countless times that there was nothing like the iPhone before its creation. I’m not going to waste my time with common sense.
That's not the argument though. [@]jfanning[/@] stated that
The mobile scene in the USA was quite backward compared to other countries when the iPhone was released, again don't confuse the USA with the rest of the world.
which is absolutely correct. Prior to 2007 smartphones were not very popular in the US. The trend was towards unlocked candy bar, and flip phones from overseas.
Kay. Did. You’re still wrong. Said this already. Stop wasting our time.
I'll say one thing, you are consistent. Consistent at not following up with any proof when asked, again if I am wrong please provide proof of this, otherwise stop wasting everyone's time
Here’s US smartphone adoption (colored bars) overlaid on the top five EU economies (I can’t find Asia; if you have percentages, please add them).
Identical. The US wasn’t behind anyone.
A couple of issues.
1. That graph is nearly impossible to read
2. Source?
3. That doesn't describe the smartphone market up to and including 2007
4. That doesn't show that the US was a largely locked market (and still is)
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The ability to install native software was the key definition.
User installed is a distraction.
Symbian was like DOS, technically smartphone software but hopelessly out of date.
In trying to make it competitive with iPhone it's flaws and weaknesses were exposed.
The large numbers came from cheaper, low spec low profit phones, which is what led to Nokia's downfall.
Just saying that the obvious isn't always so. There are countless of examples where a 'can't miss' did just that, and something bound to fail became a big success.
Apple's success and corresponding valuation come form having substantially more hits than misses. And rarely does apple just get a base hit. Usually it's a grand slam followers by another. (I know you have to have base hits for a grand slam to work but you can count the ecosystem that also gets boosted with every new product) The interesting part is because apple is so large even a killer product by another company's metrics will appear to be a non-starter. e.g. iPhone 5C. I predict the Apple watch will do fine. Most won't understand what that means and, quite frankly, they don't have to. It will add several billion to Apple's bottom line and make those that buy it happy even if it only sells in Apple TV quantities.
I don't know of any group of people that large that accurately fall under a single stereotype. As the number of people within a grouping grows the harder it is to make an accurate specific statement.
Actually it was unusual back then, stop confusing the practices of the USA with the rest of the world. I purchased unlocked Nokia smartphones in 2007 (actually I purchased Nokia unlocked smartphones in 2002), it wasn't hard to find them.
And the discussion is based around the launch of the original iPhone, which started in the USA and spread outward over time. It has continually defined the market from day one even though someones corner wasn't affected from day one.
The mobile scene in the USA was quite backward compared to other countries when the iPhone was released, again don't confuse the USA with the rest of the world
It has defined UI from day one. Functionally, others were and have often been, at comparable, or even superior levels.
The mobile scene in the USA was quite backward compared to other countries when the iPhone was released, again don't confuse the USA with the rest of the world
What is the point you want to win?
The iPhone was a smart phone out of the gate and has continued to define it since. Most people here would agree with that statement.
If you can't understand the point, then maybe you were a child in 2007 and/or didn't understand the industry internationally at that time.
If you’re pretending there was anything comparable to the iPhone outside the US in 2007, well…
Why don't you read before you post?
I did. Your point is wrong. Next?
How about you stop being a knob, and if you think I am wrong you actually provide some proof for once
We’ve proven countless times that there was nothing like the iPhone before its creation. I’m not going to waste my time with common sense.
That's not the argument though. [@]jfanning[/@] stated that which is absolutely correct. Prior to 2007 smartphones were not very popular in the US. The trend was towards unlocked candy bar, and flip phones from overseas.
If the issue is one of popularity, do we have stats regarding “smartphone” use back then?
No one has said that, maybe you should read the thread before saying anything
Kay. Did. You’re still wrong. Said this already. Stop wasting our time.
I'll say one thing, you are consistent. Consistent at not following up with any proof when asked, again if I am wrong please provide proof of this, otherwise stop wasting everyone's time
Here’s US smartphone adoption (colored bars) overlaid on the top five EU economies (I can’t find Asia; if you have percentages, please add them).
Identical. The US wasn’t behind anyone.
A couple of issues.
1. That graph is nearly impossible to read
2. Source?
3. That doesn't describe the smartphone market up to and including 2007
4. That doesn't show that the US was a largely locked market (and still is)