Unelected Eurocrats? What about the House of Lords, are they elected by the people? The UK made a big mistake and it will have great implication for years. Instead of being part of a united Europe many people in the UK still dream of an Empire that does`t exist anymore.
So you think its better to have two unelected bodies telling us what we can and can't do.
1) No it isn't. Not even remotely. You're no more than a vile person trying to justify your racist thoughts.
2) With a 2nd referendum in Scotland, Northern Ireland to follow, they are indeed in extinction process
My arguments have nothing to do with race. You are merely another race obsessed, racist leftist who offers nothing of value to the conversation besides yelling racist! Are you friends with trigglypuff?
Here's a clue. The racist card didn't work out too well for you lot in the recent Brexit vote, but keep up the good work!
Being racist has somehow become socially acceptable again. Actually, the racist card worked pretty well for the Brexiteers.
Mind you, that doesn't make you any less obnoxious... nor smarter
Perhaps Apple could get an even better deal than with the backstabbing Irish and move their European operations to England instead now? No more harmonized tax rates to abide by, I'm sure Britain will be eager to attract LOTS of big businesses (and with that lower priced Pound too)!
Good idea!
England would make a great base for European Operations.
One other positive outcome for Apple when the EU finally disintegrates, is no more ridiculous EU commissions or EU Jihads and EU lawsuits against Apple.
Such remark underlines your silliness. How could the UK now be the "great base for European Operations". The UK just cut itself off from the Single Market.
For your own good, please educate yourself on the matter before posting any more idiocy.
The EU is on its last legs. The UK is the first nation to leave. Won't be the last. Wanting to control your own destiny, rather than have it set by un elected beaurocrats in another country. Apple, Google all want the EU. Easier to bring in cheap labor. Same reason they suck up to obama. visa quota's that favor other countries, rather than our own. Lots of big words by the Remain crowd here. But it comes down to having people who don't want to be British or American. Sharia courts, zones where white people are banned, or any non muslim. Honor killings, rape, murder. It is a big F you to Islam. Good. It is about time.
It already controlled its destiny. The only thing it "gave", is to have access to the common market. Norway has to "give" away the exact same thing to have access to less of that market and its not part of the EU. So, what FUCKING BULLSHIT are you talking about.
Most of the immigration they were railing about wasn't even visible immigration, more like Eastern Europeans. Most of the visible immigration has been related to the commonwealth, not the EU.
The youth voted overwhelmingly to stay in btw, it's the shihead over 40 xenophobes that were barely affected by immigration (London voted to stay in) that actually voted out. Most of the immigration
This was a victory for ignorance, nothing to be proud about.
When the UK is ripped appart, what kind of "glorious" country will they have. Some sad sack little puny country with a big brain drain : bravo for march towards irrelevance.
The London area is the only one preventing the UK from falling into irrelevance (the GDP of the region far exceeds its population); maybe they should ask out of the rest of the UK too since the rest of the UK doesn't give a shit about it.
Not to mention Farage's own campaign which put up this poster
That's a picture of Syrian refugees entering Turkey, absolutely nothing to do with the EU and immigration into the UK.
Even if this is the case, and I believe it is, why the Remain camp couldn't manage to reverse that meme? The British people live peacefully with the immigrants since decades, how did they become suddenly such xenophobic to leave the EU? The British people's vote is a much bigger event than Farage or his party or his campaign, it is their insight and experience that shaped their preference, not a stupid poster created by an irrelevant advertising agency.
EU's troubles are much bigger and structural than the whole immigrant crisis.
It's the over 40 people WHO DON"T LIVE WITH MANY IMMIGRANTS who voted massively to get out (like 75%). That's the thing about this.
It's not some kind of personal experience that led to this, but a xenophobic fear of losing the "England they knew". It's like pushing against the tide of modernity and a more integrated world, in which the EU is just a convenient Bogeyman. It's the same people who were affected in the 1980-1992 by the Tatcher era that voted massively against it.
Those are basically the same kind of voters courted by Trump (except in the US, they are in lesser numbers because there are also regional factors at
The more cosmopolitan areas of the UK, and especially the London erea voted in.
The UK was the least effected by the Syria refugee crisis, had a very decent economy, had its own currency and had access to the common market (which is the main reasons there were regulations on many of its products). Most workers reforms in the last 20 years were related to EU regulations.
That they didn't even know that it won't make much of a difference on immigration (maybe it even gets worse) and to have access to the common market they will have to give a lot of control and money, ask the Norvegians, and they gained quite a bit of protection over the year from all those "pesky" EU regulations, tells me their whole thing was about ignorance and fear and not facts.
Most of what Farage talked about were lies and exaggerations : were have we seen that before?
I don't think anyone, let alone any pro-Brexit voters really know what the hell is about to hit us after this decision.
So how do you speak for them?
Sigh. I don't know any clairvoyants. Do you? The few people who are best placed to predict the UK's future economic prospects are economists. And the vast majority of them were/are saying if Britain exits the EU it will be economically harmful.
The Pro-Brexit camp are playing fast and lose with our economy. So far it's looking pretty bad and I fear for the future
Yes, because three days is always the best indicator of a century of... you know, what the fuck ever. You people can’t even comprehend that objective truth exists, so you can never comprehend reality.
Sigh. Are you saying we have to wait a century before the economy stabilises? You're not being clear. I grant you 3 days of turmoil is too early to say with any certainty whether the decision to exit the EU will be for the better or worse. But, with economists predicting a slowdown and with the 2 main British political parties tearing themselves to pieces over the last 3 days, I'm not exactly sitting here with a big smile on my face thinking everything is going to come up smelling of roses. It's not looking good at all. On top of that, it appears that idiot Boris Johnson only campaigned pro-Brexit to further his political career...i.e. he lied to gain power and run for PM! He stood on a tissue of lies.
Furthermore, there are a large number of leave voters who are regretting their vote. It's all a big mess.
Much of the Leave Campaign's advertising was geared around the £350million a week that is paid to the EU. They said that if Britain left Europe then that money could be used to fund the National Health Service. Many people voted based on that claim (though at least two people in Barnsley voted 'leave' because they thought it would keep the Muslims out).
The morning after the vote, Nigel Farage went on telly and said that he never said that, and the campaign was wrong to say that.
Not taking either side here but an sad note for democracy, I read on one UK web site than many of those wanting to remain didn't bother to vote as they were so confident the vote would go their way.
With such a narrow majority the Government shouldn't be jumping out of Europe as it is there to serve its citizens and to disregard the wishes of either side is reckless and ill advised. No referendum is legally binding it's basically asking the opinion of your people. In this case they are disregarding the will of 48% of the voters.
Thats without looking at at the stream of lies, false promises and misinformation from both sides throughout the campaign.
That's been true of more than referendums, it's been true of many general elections too, here in the USA as well as else where, especially with two party systems. I don't see any solution other than saying it requires a 60% win to decide, or such like, and then you'd have multiple re-runs. Democracy is't easy.
Even if this is the case, and I believe it is, why the Remain camp couldn't manage to reverse that meme? The British people live peacefully with the immigrants since decades, how did they become suddenly such xenophobic to leave the EU? The British people's vote is a much bigger event than Farage or his party or his campaign, it is their insight and experience that shaped their preference, not a stupid poster created by an irrelevant advertising agency.
EU's troubles are much bigger and structural than the whole immigrant crisis.
It's the over 40 people WHO DON"T LIVE WITH MANY IMMIGRANTS who voted massively to get out (like 75%). That's the thing about this.
It's not some kind of personal experience that led to this, but a xenophobic fear of losing the "England they knew".
Europhobic, not xenophobic... The actual phobia ruling all over Europe following the Greece incident... Who's next? Italy? Ireland?
Glad the UK had the courage to vote themselves out of the bureaucratic mess that is the EU. Bunch of unelected, unaccountable suits in Brussels trying to introduce one set of rules for us all. The amount of times we hear in my country 'our hands are tied' from our elected officials is not funny. Practically every other week. Each country needs to take back their sovereignty.
It is remarkable to see that some people think that the UK should leave the EU because of a lack of democracy. All EU decision makers are assigned via a democratic process: the EU members of parliament are elected directly in the European elections, the European council is made of democratically elected member state governments and the European Commission and the European President are nominated by European council and approved by the European parliament. The members of the House of Lords in the UK are not elected at all.
It is non curable disease of the national politicians to blame their failure on the EU iso. on their own incompetence. I wonder what the British politicians will do, now this excuse won't work any more.
There is one issue I have not seen raised which is a factor involved in Brexit I suspect. The EU had pretty stringent entry requirements at one time. After the collapse of the U.S.S.R. the west (and I suspect American influence was strong here) feared newly freed small countries might join the Warsaw Pact and basically used EU entry and NATO as carrots to become western allies. The addition of so many countries that most likely didn't 'qualify' under the original conditions put massive strains on the likes of the UK.
It is remarkable to see that some people think that the UK should leave the EU because of a lack of democracy. All EU decision makers are assigned via a democratic process: the EU members of parliament are elected directly in the European elections, the European council is made of democratically elected member state governments and the European Commission and the European President are nominated by European council and approved by the European parliament. The members of the House of Lords in the UK are not elected at all.
It is non curable disease of the national politicians to blame their failure on the EU iso. on their own incompetence. I wonder what the British politicians will do, now this excuse won't work any more.
There is one issue I have not seen raised which is a factor involved in Brexit I suspect. The EU had pretty stringent entry requirements at one time. After the collapse of the U.S.S.R. the west (and I suspect American influence was strong here) feared newly freed small countries might join the Warsaw Pact and basically used EU entry and NATO as carrots to become western allies. The addition of so many countries that most likely didn't 'qualify' under the original conditions put massive strains on the likes of the UK.
They've easily accepted Greece then they've ruined that country... For what?
Fully agree. Not only was being in the EU costing Britain 20 billion a year while getting back only 10 billion in return, but voters didn't want to have open borders determined by Belgium. What a radical and crazy idea indeed. And quite liberating too.
Open borders is suicide. I don't blame the Brits for not wanting to take part in Merkel's suicidal and psychotic plans.
I am German and believe that Merkel did really bad for Europe with a policy about those refugees. Supporting people in need is one thing. Other thing is bring them to your own home. I believe that overall Britain economically will be worse after the exit. Young people wanted to stay. Older, the won't see the results of this exit, wanted the empire back. But taking into account what Merkel did to Europe, I would want to exit EU too, just to be further from that Merkel's policy. Unfortunately, I can't.
Maybe that slight difference in votes was caused exactly by the situation with refugees in EU. And if it wasn't the current case, more British people would like to stay in EU.
Now, only the time will show what consequences it would have for Britain and other countries which are still in EU.
The other way to look at it is that those 18-43 have never lived without the EU and those 46 and under have no knowledge whatsoever of live without the EU. Those 65+ have vivid memories of life before, during, and, if they are fortunate enough, after the EU to make an informed judgment.
That world is gone. Those memories are irrelevant.
Well, so is an EU with Britain. The point is that Britain is no longer hampered by the EU. Even if, in an extreme case, they take the Norwegian or Swiss route of opting back into the single market by accepting EU regulation (and they will have more leverage once cooler heads prevail), they can still more easily enter into trade talks with the rest of the world. Italian concerns over canned tomatoes won't stand in the way of a trade deal with Australia, nor will Romanian concerns about visa-free travel to Canada stonewall negotiations on a UK-Canada trade deal.
The few people who are best placed to predict the UK's future economic prospects are economists. And the vast majority of them were/are saying if Britain exits the EU it will be economically harmful.
Yes, that's known as lying. We've seen it before, both on the continent and off. Funny how people forget history.
Sigh. Well done on cherry-picking one word out of my sentence on the British gutter press and discarding the rest.
Your entire sentence was predicated on that word and the thought that it would terrify your opponents into silence. Too bad you've been repeating the same bullshit for half a century now, so it just has no effect at all. No one is frightened of being right anymore. Maybe you should be frightened that your scare tactics no longer work.
Sigh.
Are you 12? No one cares that you're exasperated when you're wrong.
I'm not talking about a lousy 20k. I'm talking about many of millions that have invaded. That dumb woman in charge of Germany did that. I think that she's trying to compete with a certain guy who used to have a funny mustache for worst German leader ever.
So what? We're talking about the UK, not Germany.
A Germany that has a labour shortage incidentally, so bringing in immigrants doesn't seem like such a stupid thing to do, but hey, xenophobia doesn't need to make economic sense, right?
Angela Merkel made Germany the power house of Europe, and some loser on the internet call her a dumb woman. I'm sure she'll be up all night.
And she also created the migrant crisis by foolishly granting refugee status to anyone who made it to Germany. The Dublin Convention is that asylum seekers must apply in the country where they arrive.
According to one of the many articles I've read over the past few days, in the days before his "renegotiation" of the UK's EU terms, David Cameron tried to warn Angela Merkel that support for the EU was collapsing and that only a serious change in the terms of the UK's membership would save it. Unfortunately, all he got were some limited concessions on social welfare payments to new immigrants.
I don't see that many big words by the Remain crowd here.
I mostly see a bunch of angry trigglypuffs that are huffing and puffing, but nothing of substance is coming out of their silly mouths. They are quite an angry bunch aren't they?
That's fantastic! May they be angry and discontent for their rest of their remaining lives, because the UK is done with the EU.
The young and the extremely ignorant, who were too lazy to even bother and get out to vote in force are most upset! Haha, screw them all! What a bunch of slackers and losers!
England would make a great base for European Operations.
One other positive outcome for Apple when the EU finally disintegrates, is no more ridiculous EU commissions or EU Jihads and EU lawsuits against Apple.
Such remark underlines your silliness. How could the UK now be the "great base for European Operations". The UK just cut itself off from the Single Market.
For your own good, please educate yourself on the matter before posting any more idiocy.
The UK will have access to the entire world now. Screw the EU.
As for education, it doesn't seem that your side was able to educate and convince the voters of your argument. They were obviously not convinced and didn't fall for all of the lies, racism and propaganda coming from your side.
Open borders is suicide. I don't blame the Brits for not wanting to take part in Merkel's suicidal and psychotic plans.
I am German and believe that Merkel did really bad for Europe with a policy about those refugees. Supporting people in need is one thing. Other thing is bring them to your own home. I believe that overall Britain economically will be worse after the exit. Young people wanted to stay. Older, the won't see the results of this exit, wanted the empire back. But taking into account what Merkel did to Europe, I would want to exit EU too, just to be further from that Merkel's policy. Unfortunately, I can't.
Maybe that slight difference in votes was caused exactly by the situation with refugees in EU. And if it wasn't the current case, more British people would like to stay in EU.
Now, only the time will show what consequences it would have for Britain and other countries which are still in EU.
I definitely believe that the insane and dangerous refugee situation stupidly caused by Merkel had a huge effect on the UK voting public, and I do think that it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Being racist has somehow become socially acceptable again.
Actually, the racist card worked pretty well for the Brexiteers.
Mind you, that doesn't make you any less obnoxious... nor smarter
How could the UK now be the "great base for European Operations".
The UK just cut itself off from the Single Market.
For your own good, please educate yourself on the matter before posting any more idiocy.
Norway has to "give" away the exact same thing to have access to less of that market and its not part of the EU.
So, what FUCKING BULLSHIT are you talking about.
Most of the immigration they were railing about wasn't even visible immigration, more like Eastern Europeans.
Most of the visible immigration has been related to the commonwealth, not the EU.
The youth voted overwhelmingly to stay in btw, it's the shihead over 40 xenophobes that were barely affected by immigration
(London voted to stay in) that actually voted out.
Most of the immigration
This was a victory for ignorance, nothing to be proud about.
When the UK is ripped appart, what kind of "glorious" country will they have.
Some sad sack little puny country with a big brain drain : bravo for march towards irrelevance.
The London area is the only one preventing the UK from falling into irrelevance (the GDP of the region far exceeds its population); maybe they should ask out of the rest of the UK too since the rest of the UK doesn't give a shit about it.
It's not some kind of personal experience that led to this, but a xenophobic fear of losing the "England they knew".
It's like pushing against the tide of modernity and a more integrated world, in which the EU is just a convenient Bogeyman.
It's the same people who were affected in the 1980-1992 by the Tatcher era that voted massively against it.
Those are basically the same kind of voters courted by Trump (except in the US, they are in lesser numbers because there are also regional factors at
The more cosmopolitan areas of the UK, and especially the London erea voted in.
The UK was the least effected by the Syria refugee crisis, had a very decent economy, had its own currency and had access to the common market (which is the main reasons there were regulations on many of its products). Most workers reforms in the last 20 years were related to EU regulations.
That they didn't even know that it won't make much of a difference on immigration (maybe it even gets worse) and to have access to the common market they will have to give a lot of control and money, ask the Norvegians, and they gained quite a bit of protection over the year from all those "pesky" EU regulations, tells me their whole thing was about ignorance and fear and not facts.
Most of what Farage talked about were lies and exaggerations : were have we seen that before?
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12024728/brexit-economy-economists-recession
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/economists-warn-against-brexit-vote-bh07fdx0t
Sigh. Well done on cherry-picking one word out of my sentence on the British gutter press and discarding the rest.
I can only conclude you have never read the Daily Mail and its ilk!
Sigh. Are you saying we have to wait a century before the economy stabilises? You're not being clear. I grant you 3 days of turmoil is too early to say with any certainty whether the decision to exit the EU will be for the better or worse. But, with economists predicting a slowdown and with the 2 main British political parties tearing themselves to pieces over the last 3 days, I'm not exactly sitting here with a big smile on my face thinking everything is going to come up smelling of roses. It's not looking good at all. On top of that, it appears that idiot Boris Johnson only campaigned pro-Brexit to further his political career...i.e. he lied to gain power and run for PM! He stood on a tissue of lies.
Furthermore, there are a large number of leave voters who are regretting their vote. It's all a big mess.
You've no idea how angry I am right now!
There is one issue I have not seen raised which is a factor involved in Brexit I suspect. The EU had pretty stringent entry requirements at one time. After the collapse of the U.S.S.R. the west (and I suspect American influence was strong here) feared newly freed small countries might join the Warsaw Pact and basically used EU entry and NATO as carrots to become western allies. The addition of so many countries that most likely didn't 'qualify' under the original conditions put massive strains on the likes of the UK.
I believe that overall Britain economically will be worse after the exit. Young people wanted to stay. Older, the won't see the results of this exit, wanted the empire back.
But taking into account what Merkel did to Europe, I would want to exit EU too, just to be further from that Merkel's policy. Unfortunately, I can't.
Maybe that slight difference in votes was caused exactly by the situation with refugees in EU. And if it wasn't the current case, more British people would like to stay in EU.
Now, only the time will show what consequences it would have for Britain and other countries which are still in EU.
Learn what racism is, please.
Your entire sentence was predicated on that word and the thought that it would terrify your opponents into silence. Too bad you've been repeating the same bullshit for half a century now, so it just has no effect at all. No one is frightened of being right anymore. Maybe you should be frightened that your scare tactics no longer work.
Are you 12? No one cares that you're exasperated when you're wrong.Anger is a social construct.
And she also created the migrant crisis by foolishly granting refugee status to anyone who made it to Germany. The Dublin Convention is that asylum seekers must apply in the country where they arrive.
According to one of the many articles I've read over the past few days, in the days before his "renegotiation" of the UK's EU terms, David Cameron tried to warn Angela Merkel that support for the EU was collapsing and that only a serious change in the terms of the UK's membership would save it. Unfortunately, all he got were some limited concessions on social welfare payments to new immigrants.
I mostly see a bunch of angry trigglypuffs that are huffing and puffing, but nothing of substance is coming out of their silly mouths. They are quite an angry bunch aren't they?
That's fantastic! May they be angry and discontent for their rest of their remaining lives, because the UK is done with the EU.
The young and the extremely ignorant, who were too lazy to even bother and get out to vote in force are most upset! Haha, screw them all! What a bunch of slackers and losers!
As for education, it doesn't seem that your side was able to educate and convince the voters of your argument. They were obviously not convinced and didn't fall for all of the lies, racism and propaganda coming from your side.
I definitely believe that the insane and dangerous refugee situation stupidly caused by Merkel had a huge effect on the UK voting public, and I do think that it was the straw that broke the camel's back.