How the UK's Brexit vote to leave Europe affects Apple

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  • Reply 241 of 314
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:
    Actually pal, you don't get to decide that.  The referendum was non-binding, and parliament is supreme, and can override or re-run the referendum if they so choose.  Even if they don't, the Scottish may be able to veto the triggering of Article 50.

    I think all of these would be bad ideas, but they are certainly possible.  The game may not be over.
    Cameron already announced he's stepping down, and many members of the so-called "shadow" government have announced their departures as well. Nothing is going back now, dude.
    Cameron resigned because he's a coward. His own hubris, party loyalty and lackadaisical campaigning are significantly responsible, and now he doesn't want to have to do the hard work of negotiating the exit. 
    The resignations in the shadow cabinet are protests against the opposition leadership.

    Neither mean anything in the context of whether Brexit has to happen or not.
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    davendaven Posts: 768member
    staticx57 said:
    DED is VERY partisan and it shows. This needs to be labeled as opinion not feature.
    Which a parts did you find partisan?
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  • Reply 243 of 314
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    daven said:
    staticx57 said:
    DED is VERY partisan and it shows. This needs to be labeled as opinion not feature.
    Which a parts did you find partisan?
    DED's politically Left views have been consistently demonstrated over time.
    tallest skilstaticx57
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  • Reply 244 of 314
    512ke512ke Posts: 782member
    Emotions are stronger than reason. Fear of immigrants and national pride trumped economic self interest. The U.K. will be fragmented, poorer, less able to influence and control Europe, and less powerful. Plus what about younger people? They got screwed. Now they are stuck on this island whose economy will struggle for years. Somebody please explain to me what there is to celebrate from this outcome, for the UK, the EU, the USA or for Apple. I can't see any rational positives. 
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  • Reply 245 of 314
    reefoidreefoid Posts: 158member
    crowley said:

     The Leave side still have no plan whatsoever 
    I keep hearing criticism of Leave for not having a plan, but it wasn't their responsibility to put forward a plan, just an argument to vote Leave.  It was a cross party campaign so even if they did have a plan they wouldn't have had any authority to implement it, it would have been down to the Prime Minister and his government to implement any plan.

    The blame for a lack of a plan and the political vacuum we're now in can be placed squarely at Cameron's feet.  He (and probably Osborne as well) shouldn't have taken a side in this campaign (which is what Harold Wilson did in the 1975 referendum) and had a plan for whatever the result was which could have been put into action immediately last Friday.  Instead he put his lot in with one side and now his side has lost he's left himself with no authority.
    tallest skil
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  • Reply 246 of 314
    xbitxbit Posts: 407member
    xbit said:
    I'm so embarrassed to be British right now.

    A fresh wave of anti-intellectualism has eroded our country.
    It's not anti-intellectual to want to have more control over your own destiny.
    It's anti-intellectual to believe that the UK didn't already have control over its own destiny.

    As the Financial Times put it: we now live in a post-factual democracy.
    singularity
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  • Reply 247 of 314
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    512ke said:
    Emotions are stronger than reason. Fear of immigrants and national pride trumped economic self interest. The U.K. will be fragmented, poorer, less able to influence and control Europe, and less powerful. Plus what about younger people? They got screwed. Now they are stuck on this island whose economy will struggle for years. Somebody please explain to me what there is to celebrate from this outcome, for the UK, the EU, the USA or for Apple. I can't see any rational positives. 
    Switzerland seems to be doing OK outside the EU quagmire.

    And more are looking into leaving:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union
    tallest skil
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  • Reply 248 of 314
    frantisekfrantisek Posts: 761member
    jfc1138 said:
    Trump will totally get the United States out of the EU!!!!

    oh. 

    Wait

    the United States isn't IN the EU so, unlike BritLand we don't need freeing from under Brussel's thumb. 

    Oh oh and Trump praising Scotland for getting their country back when they'd voted to STAY in each and every voting region? Embarrassingly moronic. 
    We live under two thumbs. Our Brussel's one and yours FED one. So you are lucky having only one. ;-)
    edited June 2016
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  • Reply 249 of 314
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    512ke said:
    Emotions are stronger than reason. Fear of immigrants and national pride trumped economic self interest. The U.K. will be fragmented, poorer, less able to influence and control Europe, and less powerful. Plus what about younger people? They got screwed. Now they are stuck on this island whose economy will struggle for years. Somebody please explain to me what there is to celebrate from this outcome, for the UK, the EU, the USA or for Apple. I can't see any rational positives. 
    Switzerland seems to be doing OK outside the EU quagmire.
    And don't have any border controls with the EU, which is the prime mover in the Brexit vote. Clearly not a relevant comparison.

    http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/immigration-and-justice/norway-and-switzerland/
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  • Reply 250 of 314
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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  • Reply 251 of 314
    kpomkpom Posts: 660member
    crowley said:
    Cameron already announced he's stepping down, and many members of the so-called "shadow" government have announced their departures as well. Nothing is going back now, dude.
    Cameron resigned because he's a coward. His own hubris, party loyalty and lackadaisical campaigning are significantly responsible, and now he doesn't want to have to do the hard work of negotiating the exit. 
    The resignations in the shadow cabinet are protests against the opposition leadership.

    Neither mean anything in the context of whether Brexit has to happen or not.
    Cameron's position was untenable. He had staked his job on Remain and the referendum was a key part of his re-election bid last year. If he hadn't resigned the odds are good that he'd have faced a revolt much like what is happening with Labour.

    Anyway, it looks like Angela Merkel is playing the role of adult in the room. She won't start talking until after Article 50 is invoked, but seems inclined to offer the UK a Norway-style deal. While it wouldn't change immigration immediately nothing says that has to be a permanent solution. Plus, that is a starting point for negotiation, not necessarily her final position. The U.K. imports a lot more from Germany than it exports. That puts them in a good position to negotiate. Germany needs a strong UK as a customer. 
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  • Reply 252 of 314
    kpomkpom Posts: 660member

    xbit said:
    It's not anti-intellectual to want to have more control over your own destiny.
    It's anti-intellectual to believe that the UK didn't already have control over its own destiny.

    As the Financial Times put it: we now live in a post-factual democracy.
    All elections are decided based on emotions. Remain tried to argue arcane policy details and wondered why they lost to a spirited Leave campaign. 
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  • Reply 253 of 314
    kpomkpom Posts: 660member

    512ke said:
    Emotions are stronger than reason. Fear of immigrants and national pride trumped economic self interest. The U.K. will be fragmented, poorer, less able to influence and control Europe, and less powerful. Plus what about younger people? They got screwed. Now they are stuck on this island whose economy will struggle for years. Somebody please explain to me what there is to celebrate from this outcome, for the UK, the EU, the USA or for Apple. I can't see any rational positives. 
    In the long term the UK will be better off. Scotland is likely to keep trying to split regardless of what happens. They are driven by the same emotions that led to the Leave vote. Even if Remain had won, sooner or later Westminster would have done something that Holyrood disagreed with. Even before the vote they were already complaining that devolution wasn't happening fast enough. 

    Once outside the EU the UK will be able to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the Commonwealth and the US without having to worry about tomato farmers in Italy, Romanians who want visa-free travel, French vintners, or any other demands of 27 other countries who hold an effective veto on EU trade deals. For all the talk about "dealing with a large bloc," a free trade agreement between the EU and the US looks very unlikely. It took Canada 7 years and it still isn't a done deal. The U.K. can be more nimble. 
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  • Reply 254 of 314
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    512ke said:
    Emotions are stronger than reason. Fear of immigrants and national pride trumped economic self interest. The U.K. will be fragmented, poorer, less able to influence and control Europe, and less powerful. Plus what about younger people? They got screwed. Now they are stuck on this island whose economy will struggle for years. Somebody please explain to me what there is to celebrate from this outcome, for the UK, the EU, the USA or for Apple. I can't see any rational positives. 

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  • Reply 255 of 314
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    crowley said:
    Switzerland seems to be doing OK outside the EU quagmire.
    And don't have any border controls with the EU, which is the prime mover in the Brexit vote. Clearly not a relevant comparison.

    http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/immigration-and-justice/norway-and-switzerland/
    Switzerland has the fourth highest gun ownership rate in the world and enforces strict immigration limits.
    tallest skil
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  • Reply 256 of 314
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    jfc1138 said:
    Trump will totally get the United States out of the EU!!!!

    oh. 

    Wait

    the United States isn't IN the EU so, unlike BritLand we don't need freeing from under Brussel's thumb. 

    Oh oh and Trump praising Scotland for getting their country back when they'd voted to STAY in each and every voting region? Embarrassingly moronic. 
    Trump's takeover of the USA will finally drop the too high too long USA$.
    r2d2
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  • Reply 257 of 314
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    meteora said:
    Normally I love DED pieces, but this is a poor article. The U.K. is fighting for their identity and rights back. I congratulate them on this HUGE fight to leave such an overreaching, failed Union. Europe has been through so much oppression and it's so refreshing to see the strong-willed take their countries back. 

    This piece screams "rank-and-file" socialism. Time to think outside the box on this one, DED. Maybe stick to Samsung articles..
    England was doing very well in the EU and migrant workers are better educated and better workers than the old school UK workers.

    Today I read that Cornwall is very upset they voted to leave the Eu, because they get a big annual EU support cheque yearly.  Now what ?
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  • Reply 258 of 314
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    hawker said:
    Unelected Eurocrats? What about the House of Lords, are they elected by the people? The UK made a big mistake and it will have great implication for years. Instead of being part of a united Europe many people in the UK still dream of an Empire that does`t exist anymore.
    Right on.
    After all it was a split in the population. Yes Scotland was a big part of that split, but London said stay.  Also younger people wanted to stay, but I read some rule on voting (which I was not aware of) kept many younger people from voting.
    It was the older people who wanted to leave, I haven't heard from my mostly older UK friends yet.  They might be in shock !
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  • Reply 259 of 314
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    mobius said:

    apple ][ said:
    Apple and the new, free and improved UK will be just fine.
    You don't know that. The evidence so far suggests otherwise.
    It is expected that EU companies now Head Quartered in England, will be moving to an EU country.
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  • Reply 260 of 314
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    propod said:
    Her plans has led Germany to be the best country in the world to live in. US is ranked 28, Greece 21

    http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/the-41-nationalities-with-the-best-quality-of-life-a7071406.html
    Maybe it's because Germany is highly industrialized.  
    That's been the case for a very long time; long enough to be a factor in the attractiveness of the country.  
    However, policies to allow in refugees from worn-torn Islamic states have only recently ramped up the numbers
    of radicalized Muslims in the EU, and so this factor has not had time to tear down the best-country rankings.
    Give it time.
    Germany is a very controlled cautious country.
    For example the minimum down payment on a house is 20%.

    For years they have been leading the car industry, until recently VW was caught cheating on exhaust pollution.
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