New 'professional' Mac mini, low-cost MacBook refresh coming soon says report

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  • Reply 181 of 197
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,485member
    cgWerks said:
    fastasleep said:
    This covers most if not all of your use cases in a small modular accessory that sits flush on the side of your Mac. 
    Again, any “Pro™️“ worth their salt will have a tool like this or whatever they need to get their job done. 
    That looks like an accident waiting to happen... but, the question isn't whether it's possible, but whether they should have to.
    Accident? What kind of Pro™ are you if you can't handle your expensive MacBook Pro and a small accessory carefully?

    And versus saddling every other user with a bunch of ports they may not need, the answer is yes.
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  • Reply 182 of 197
    cgWerkscgwerks Posts: 2,952member
    fastasleep said:
    Accident? What kind of Pro™ are you if you can't handle your expensive MacBook Pro and a small accessory carefully?
    And versus saddling every other user with a bunch of ports they may not need, the answer is yes.
    Do you know about levers and fulcrums?
    Saddling people with ports? LOL (Oh no, I can't cope with this extra port on my machine... whatever will I do!?)

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  • Reply 183 of 197
    Here’s a probably-daft idea... They could aid people who want to use the Mac mini as a home media server (in conjunction with Apple TV) by making it possible to use an iPad as a display (passive, not touch-screen macOS). I wonder how hard that would be to do?
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  • Reply 184 of 197
    cgWerkscgwerks Posts: 2,952member
    Here’s a probably-daft idea... They could aid people who want to use the Mac mini as a home media server (in conjunction with Apple TV) by making it possible to use an iPad as a display (passive, not touch-screen macOS). I wonder how hard that would be to do?
    You can do that with the right apps, but I suppose Apple could do things to make it even easier.
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  • Reply 185 of 197
    cgWerks said:
    Here’s a probably-daft idea... They could aid people who want to use the Mac mini as a home media server (in conjunction with Apple TV) by making it possible to use an iPad as a display (passive, not touch-screen macOS). I wonder how hard that would be to do?
    You can do that with the right apps, but I suppose Apple could do things to make it even easier.
    It is both a development infrastructure and the app developer that have to work together (varies by application).  Apple has made more consistent progress but writing one OS/UI takes time to develop (iPad now is how long), and another macOS also takes time... making changes to both to allow the macOS device to work independently, and the iPad independently to accomplish your task then mesh together as extensions of each other when they are used together will, of course, take a very long time to accomplish correctly.  
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  • Reply 186 of 197
    Here’s a probably-daft idea... They could aid people who want to use the Mac mini as a home media server (in conjunction with Apple TV) by making it possible to use an iPad as a display (passive, not touch-screen macOS). I wonder how hard that would be to do?
    I wonder how useful it would be as a non-touch display. You’d have to… what, go to where your Mac Mini is and use its existing keyboard and mouse, and so you’d just want a real display then.
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  • Reply 187 of 197
    cgWerkscgwerks Posts: 2,952member
    Here’s a probably-daft idea... They could aid people who want to use the Mac mini as a home media server (in conjunction with Apple TV) by making it possible to use an iPad as a display (passive, not touch-screen macOS). I wonder how hard that would be to do?
    I wonder how useful it would be as a non-touch display. You’d have to… what, go to where your Mac Mini is and use its existing keyboard and mouse, and so you’d just want a real display then.
    You can actually turn on remote-control on the Mini, and then get a remote-control app on the iPad.... and it will support touch-screen interaction and use the iPad's keyboard. (Unless they removed the ability... but I used to control my iMac with my iPad 2 years ago when I was away from home.)
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    tallest skil
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  • Reply 188 of 197
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    cgWerks said:
    You can actually turn on remote-control on the Mini, and then get a remote-control app on the iPad.... and it will support touch-screen interaction and use the iPad's keyboard. (Unless they removed the ability... but I used to control my iMac with my iPad 2 years ago when I was away from home.)
    I remember a remote desktop app being one of the earliest big hits with the App Store. Worked like you’d expect–“…eh…”–but got the job done in a punch.
    cgWerks
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  • Reply 189 of 197
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,485member
    cgWerks said:
    fastasleep said:
    Accident? What kind of Pro™ are you if you can't handle your expensive MacBook Pro and a small accessory carefully?
    And versus saddling every other user with a bunch of ports they may not need, the answer is yes.
    Do you know about levers and fulcrums?
    Saddling people with ports? LOL (Oh no, I can't cope with this extra port on my machine... whatever will I do!?)

    Yes, I took physics.

    Look, you know as well as I do that keeping every port under the sun in a laptop adds components, weight, bulk etc. People bemoaned the loss of optical drives for a while (still for some I suppose) despite 99% of users not needing to carry around a built-in optical drive. Same thing. 
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  • Reply 190 of 197
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,485member

    Here’s a probably-daft idea... They could aid people who want to use the Mac mini as a home media server (in conjunction with Apple TV) by making it possible to use an iPad as a display (passive, not touch-screen macOS). I wonder how hard that would be to do?
    What do you mean? You can already use your iPad as a screen with Screens or any other VNC app.
    cgWerks
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  • Reply 191 of 197
    cgWerks said:
    fastasleep said:
    Accident? What kind of Pro™ are you if you can't handle your expensive MacBook Pro and a small accessory carefully?
    And versus saddling every other user with a bunch of ports they may not need, the answer is yes.
    Do you know about levers and fulcrums?
    Saddling people with ports? LOL (Oh no, I can't cope with this extra port on my machine... whatever will I do!?)

    Yes, I took physics.

    Look, you know as well as I do that keeping every port under the sun in a laptop adds components, weight, bulk etc. People bemoaned the loss of optical drives for a while (still for some I suppose) despite 99% of users not needing to carry around a built-in optical drive. Same thing. 
    Not to mention, if you add one USB-A, then the same people will complain about having only one useful port... if you add two, then the same people will complain about having only two useful ports, etc. etc.  Then you will get to the situation where now you have 4 USB-A and then it becomes USB-A replacing some of the USB-C/Thunderbolt ports (most likely) which means building a laptop for legacy instead of the future.  If you want legacy there is a company out there for you... Microsoft.  This has been a clear choice for a long time.  Microsoft (and the same culture) will support hardware that is old, they will likely continue having Win32 in the code until I am dead and my bones have been cleaned of flesh... this culture lives on in the ports you see in most Windows laptops where you are lucky if you are given one USB-C/Thunderbolt port.
    fastasleep
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  • Reply 192 of 197
    cgWerkscgwerks Posts: 2,952member
    fastasleep said:
    Look, you know as well as I do that keeping every port under the sun in a laptop adds components, weight, bulk etc. People bemoaned the loss of optical drives for a while (still for some I suppose) despite 99% of users not needing to carry around a built-in optical drive. Same thing. 
    The point is, that unlike optical drives, 99% of people are still using USB-A, SD, etc. So, not the same thing.

    bkkcanuck said:
    Not to mention, if you add one USB-A, then the same people will complain about having only one useful port... if you add two...
    No, actually we wouldn't. I suppose yes, someone, somewhere would. The point, is you should have mainstream, predominantly used ports, especially on the devices with room for them.
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  • Reply 193 of 197
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,485member
    cgWerks said:
    fastasleep said:
    Look, you know as well as I do that keeping every port under the sun in a laptop adds components, weight, bulk etc. People bemoaned the loss of optical drives for a while (still for some I suppose) despite 99% of users not needing to carry around a built-in optical drive. Same thing. 
    The point is, that unlike optical drives, 99% of people are still using USB-A, SD, etc. So, not the same thing.
    99%... A very convincing statistic. Source?

    How many of those people could simply replace their USB cable on the one or two accessories they use?
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  • Reply 194 of 197
    cgWerkscgwerks Posts: 2,952member
    fastasleep said:
    99%... A very convincing statistic. Source?
    How many of those people could simply replace their USB cable on the one or two accessories they use?
    Good point... it should have been 99.9%, but I included a whole percent for the people using USB-C, just for kicks.

    re: replace their USB cable - We were talking about laptops. You know, mobile computers you take places? Yes, if it is only used on your desk, you can USB-C'ize the whole thing, I suppose (though some who have tried haven't had good luck, yet).
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  • Reply 195 of 197
    cgWerks said:
    fastasleep said:
    99%... A very convincing statistic. Source?
    How many of those people could simply replace their USB cable on the one or two accessories they use?
    Good point... it should have been 99.9%, but I included a whole percent for the people using USB-C, just for kicks.

    re: replace their USB cable - We were talking about laptops. You know, mobile computers you take places? Yes, if it is only used on your desk, you can USB-C'ize the whole thing, I suppose (though some who have tried haven't had good luck, yet).
    I would call bull on your statistic since there is a large number of people (though a minority) that never ever attach anything to their laptop (any USB device).  Personally, I dangle 7 devices off a USB hub on my desktop -- BUT -- when away from my desk I don't bring it or any other USB device...  With the exception of a USB flash drive (supports both standards) none of my USB devices... are that small... and portable... and funny enough they pretty-well all dwarf the size of this "much hated" dongle.
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  • Reply 196 of 197
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,485member
    cgWerks said:
    fastasleep said:
    99%... A very convincing statistic. Source?
    How many of those people could simply replace their USB cable on the one or two accessories they use?
    Good point... it should have been 99.9%, but I included a whole percent for the people using USB-C, just for kicks.

    re: replace their USB cable - We were talking about laptops. You know, mobile computers you take places? Yes, if it is only used on your desk, you can USB-C'ize the whole thing, I suppose (though some who have tried haven't had good luck, yet).
    More made up statistics and scenarios. /eyeroll
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