ADMIT SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LAWLESSNESS IN BAGHDAD!
Damn.
Hassan you need to move on. I personally take the view PM Tony Blair said to the issue of lawlessness in Iraq. Tony Blair made it clear the problem with lawlessness was far worse a problem where there are no US forces rather than where there are coalition forces present. Sure this would have never happened if there were never a war. Keep in mind in Iraq a country of some 24 million people only 2.5 million are employeed. I think it is fine as we have seen initially for them to take some wealth into their own hands.
In a country with 90% unemployment I do not have a great issue with this initial lawlessness. It will be brought under control.
Apparently Iraq shouldn't worry unduly about losing its looted treasures. Says who?
The American Council for Cultural Policy. Iraq's laws are "retentionist" (great coinage!) apparently, and in post-war Iraq export laws should be relaxed for dealers who will do a better job of looking after these things than the Iraqis. They're lobbying the US State Department.
My advice , that changing the law concerning exportation of art can only be decided by the Iraqi people them-self. During the transition The coalition temporary admin, will have more urgent things to do than to change this law.
I expect that the temporary admin, will piss these "art" lobby, who is more interested by the possible profits that they can make, than a truly generous help.
Tony Blair made it clear the problem with lawlessness was far worse a problem where there are no US forces rather than where there are coalition forces present.
That's why it's inexcusable that the coalition forces would send thousands of troops to guard oil fields and the Ministry of Oil building in Baghdad, but not put a few troops at other locations of importance.
That's why it's inexcusable that the coalition forces would send thousands of troops to guard oil fields and the Ministry of Oil building in Baghdad, but not put a few troops at other locations of importance.
well, if you want to look at it pragmaticly, no one is going to eat because of clay tablets or artwork. people will be able to eat and build infrastructure due to oil sales. they're guarding the future of Iraq, instead of the past.
well, if you want to look at it pragmaticly, no one is going to eat because of clay tablets or artwork. people will be able to eat and build infrastructure due to oil sales. they're guarding the future of Iraq, instead of the past.
Well, the dollars from tourism would be substantial. As much as oil? Nothing is as much as oil obviously but the ROI on troops at the museum would have been 'good enough'. A dozen Marines probably could have guarded the entrances.
And is the Ministry of Oil building really more important than the Ministry of Education?
You are the only man on the whole planet who apparently believes that the arrival of tanks in Baghdad and the looting of Baghdad musuem are completely unconnected.
So, are you saying that the US is responsible for the allowing the looting?
Should we have spread armies so thin as to police Irac even though we are still fighting. Do you know how big Irac is.
Should we have sent in Seal teams to protect all of the museaums and temples and holy artifacts and then maintain a guard their. Do you know that thousands of buildings are holy places with valuable relics of one sort or another in Irac.
Are you aware that removing a dictator from power is not a simple thing. People have a tendacy to assume Saddam was a pushover because it went our way.
we are witness to an amazing show of military intellegence.
Suddenly, "looting" is just appearing on the radar to some of you as a bad thing? Interesting. [/B]
Yes, Because the war went very well. and all of the major predictions from the anti-war crowd about how bad the war was going to go have failed to come to pass. so they are grasping at straws to try and demonstrate how evil and bad the war is, to distract us from the fact that they are wrong about everything.
Pre war anti war predictions whoch i have heard
hundreds of thousands of americans will die
the world will rise up against us
millions of innocent people will die
a thousand oil wells will burn damaging the world economy
we will not be able to throw out saddamm
Irac will attack US soil
and manny many more
I expect critism
so please feal free to dispute the list or add to it.
ADMIT SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LAWLESSNESS IN BAGHDAD!
Damn.
Let me ask you
Do you think it was better to live during the Saddam rule or during the looting?
you can not have it both ways
we have a limited number of troops and 5 million people live in bagdad. I would like to here how it could of been possible to stop the looting the oil well burning and the imperial stormtroopers
That's why it's inexcusable that the coalition forces would send thousands of troops to guard oil fields and the Ministry of Oil building in Baghdad, but not put a few troops at other locations of importance.
there are more religious landmarks in Iraq than oil fields. a lot more. How few do you think we should have dispursed and for how long? And further more having burned all of the oil fields would have caused an ecological disaster, Iraq has 1500 oil fields
before the war many people critisized the US by saying that if we attack we will cause the burning og thousands of oil fields causing a wouldwide oil shortage. now your mad at us for proctecting them.
How many of you warned the US about make sure you guard the museams or it will cause decent and disorder and be oh so bad, before the war.
before the war many people critisized the US by saying that if we attack we will cause the burning og thousands of oil fields causing a wouldwide oil shortage.
That's the biggest bunch of crap I've read all day.
That's the biggest bunch of crap I've read all day.
Thats what I thought too
it was argued that SaDAM burnt 700 oil well fires in 1991 and that he would do it again. Actually as it turns out, it seems like he tried. Navy seals found alot of oil wells rigged to blow
it was argued that SaDAM burnt 700 oil well fires in 1991 and that he would do it again. Actually as it turns out, it seems like he tried. Navy seals found alot of oil wells rigged to blow
It's just saving all of the oil wells kept the military from doing a good job in other more important areas. More important being subjective of course.
Comments
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
ADMIT SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LAWLESSNESS IN BAGHDAD!
Damn.
Hassan you need to move on. I personally take the view PM Tony Blair said to the issue of lawlessness in Iraq. Tony Blair made it clear the problem with lawlessness was far worse a problem where there are no US forces rather than where there are coalition forces present. Sure this would have never happened if there were never a war. Keep in mind in Iraq a country of some 24 million people only 2.5 million are employeed. I think it is fine as we have seen initially for them to take some wealth into their own hands.
In a country with 90% unemployment I do not have a great issue with this initial lawlessness. It will be brought under control.
Fellowship
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
ADMIT SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LAWLESSNESS IN BAGHDAD!
Damn.
Well, not you personally, of course. But you know what I mean.
reaching
I neeeeeeed something!
Originally posted by groverat
reaching
reaching
I neeeeeeed something!
A dump?
A gin and tonic?
A holiday!
Love and understanding.
Me too.
The American Council for Cultural Policy. Iraq's laws are "retentionist" (great coinage!) apparently, and in post-war Iraq export laws should be relaxed for dealers who will do a better job of looking after these things than the Iraqis. They're lobbying the US State Department.
I'm not making this up.
Honest.
I hope the State Department tells them to piss off. What do you think?
I expect that the temporary admin, will piss these "art" lobby, who is more interested by the possible profits that they can make, than a truly generous help.
Originally posted by New
I think Apple should by Iraq and not Universal Music. They are both crap, but iraq seems to come with better stuff...
And it comes cheaper I guess (as long as US gets to keep its military bases)
You´ll avoid all the democracy mumbo jumbo. Let a CEO rule!
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Tony Blair made it clear the problem with lawlessness was far worse a problem where there are no US forces rather than where there are coalition forces present.
That's why it's inexcusable that the coalition forces would send thousands of troops to guard oil fields and the Ministry of Oil building in Baghdad, but not put a few troops at other locations of importance.
Originally posted by groverat
reaching
reaching
I neeeeeeed something!
Preparation H?
That's why it's inexcusable that the coalition forces would send thousands of troops to guard oil fields and the Ministry of Oil building in Baghdad, but not put a few troops at other locations of importance.
well, if you want to look at it pragmaticly, no one is going to eat because of clay tablets or artwork. people will be able to eat and build infrastructure due to oil sales. they're guarding the future of Iraq, instead of the past.
Originally posted by alcimedes
well, if you want to look at it pragmaticly, no one is going to eat because of clay tablets or artwork. people will be able to eat and build infrastructure due to oil sales. they're guarding the future of Iraq, instead of the past.
Well, the dollars from tourism would be substantial. As much as oil? Nothing is as much as oil obviously but the ROI on troops at the museum would have been 'good enough'. A dozen Marines probably could have guarded the entrances.
And is the Ministry of Oil building really more important than the Ministry of Education?
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Scott.
You are the only man on the whole planet who apparently believes that the arrival of tanks in Baghdad and the looting of Baghdad musuem are completely unconnected.
So, are you saying that the US is responsible for the allowing the looting?
Should we have spread armies so thin as to police Irac even though we are still fighting. Do you know how big Irac is.
Should we have sent in Seal teams to protect all of the museaums and temples and holy artifacts and then maintain a guard their. Do you know that thousands of buildings are holy places with valuable relics of one sort or another in Irac.
Are you aware that removing a dictator from power is not a simple thing. People have a tendacy to assume Saddam was a pushover because it went our way.
we are witness to an amazing show of military intellegence.
k
Originally posted by pscates
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Suddenly, "looting" is just appearing on the radar to some of you as a bad thing? Interesting. [/B]
Yes, Because the war went very well. and all of the major predictions from the anti-war crowd about how bad the war was going to go have failed to come to pass. so they are grasping at straws to try and demonstrate how evil and bad the war is, to distract us from the fact that they are wrong about everything.
Pre war anti war predictions whoch i have heard
hundreds of thousands of americans will die
the world will rise up against us
millions of innocent people will die
a thousand oil wells will burn damaging the world economy
we will not be able to throw out saddamm
Irac will attack US soil
and manny many more
I expect critism
so please feal free to dispute the list or add to it.
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
ADMIT SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LAWLESSNESS IN BAGHDAD!
Damn.
Let me ask you
Do you think it was better to live during the Saddam rule or during the looting?
you can not have it both ways
we have a limited number of troops and 5 million people live in bagdad. I would like to here how it could of been possible to stop the looting the oil well burning and the imperial stormtroopers
Originally posted by bunge
That's why it's inexcusable that the coalition forces would send thousands of troops to guard oil fields and the Ministry of Oil building in Baghdad, but not put a few troops at other locations of importance.
there are more religious landmarks in Iraq than oil fields. a lot more. How few do you think we should have dispursed and for how long? And further more having burned all of the oil fields would have caused an ecological disaster, Iraq has 1500 oil fields
before the war many people critisized the US by saying that if we attack we will cause the burning og thousands of oil fields causing a wouldwide oil shortage. now your mad at us for proctecting them.
How many of you warned the US about make sure you guard the museams or it will cause decent and disorder and be oh so bad, before the war.
ARgh
Originally posted by JC
before the war many people critisized the US by saying that if we attack we will cause the burning og thousands of oil fields causing a wouldwide oil shortage.
That's the biggest bunch of crap I've read all day.
Originally posted by bunge
That's the biggest bunch of crap I've read all day.
Thats what I thought too
it was argued that SaDAM burnt 700 oil well fires in 1991 and that he would do it again. Actually as it turns out, it seems like he tried. Navy seals found alot of oil wells rigged to blow
Originally posted by JC
Thats what I thought too
it was argued that SaDAM burnt 700 oil well fires in 1991 and that he would do it again. Actually as it turns out, it seems like he tried. Navy seals found alot of oil wells rigged to blow
It's just saving all of the oil wells kept the military from doing a good job in other more important areas. More important being subjective of course.