Don't start thinking I have special info... I don't. But all the recent reports seem to indicate that the OS itself is practically complete. Now that they're tossing in GUI changes, I'd only expect a few more releases.
I didn't think you were an insider (mole) but maybe an educated guess (we all know you're Jobs lapdog ).
...an important and powerful shift toward dynamism, which is good news for both themers and those hoping for resolution independence
While this is forward looking and slightly off topic can someone go into a bit more detail of resolution independence as well as dynamism and how it relates to OS X, Quartz, Open GL, etc.\
While this is forward looking and slightly off topic can someone go into a bit more detail of resolution independence as well as dynamism and how it relates to OS X, Quartz, Open GL, etc.\
Thanks
Resolution independence is all about objects on the screen retaining their size.
LCD screens will eventually be able to produce +300ppi images. This will make pictures look extremely crisp. Unfortunately, it'll also make bitmap pictures look smaller on screen because more pixels can be shoved into a square inch.
Because OS X isn't totally resolution independent, windows and icons look smaller when you change to a higher resolution.
Resolution independence, however, is supposed to prevent this and retain the size of objects yet allow them to look crisper.
I think we're still far away from this though. Computers and graphics card need to get quite a bit faster for all of this...but it's coming, 7-10 years from now, we'll have some very high definition LCD screens and some pretty powerful computers...but they'll still feel slow because the GUIs and apps will have evolved to really push their limits.
Yeah, that's been mentioned. It was actually a feature that was present in 10.2 Jaguar developer builds but was pulled in the later builds just before GM.
Yeah, that's been mentioned. It was actually a feature that was present in 10.2 Jaguar developer builds but was pulled in the later builds just before GM.
Because it doesn't work well with apps that bring up sheets or warning dialogs to "Save" or windows that aren't closeable.
Yeah. When I played with the MIP that was floating around, I rarely had Close work. So I gave up. But it's nice to see it coming back. Close in Dock at least.
Because it doesn't work well with apps that bring up sheets or warning dialogs to "Save" or windows that aren't closeable.
If a sheet or dialog comes up it can just un-minimize. If the window can't close, then either there would *be* no "Close" item, or it would be disabled. Shmeasy.
Okay, first another feature i'm super happy about, and have been missing since like 8.5
you can now set your mac to start at a specific time! lookie!
whee!
now some Xbench.
I am running 7B80 on an 867 Quicksilver with 640 RAM and a Radeon 9800 (overkill, i know, but i got a really good deal on it. ).
here's 10.2.6
Code:
CPU Test81.90
GCD Recursion100.043.91 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic106.06377.19 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic107.371.56 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT44.07679.06 Mflop/sec
Floating Point Library103.954.16 Mops/sec
Thread Test55.42
Computation54.20436.66 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention56.69711.56 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test90.70
System90.98
Allocate103.4234.87 Kalloc/sec
Fill81.32647.34 MB/sec
Copy90.85454.26 MB/sec
Stream90.43
Copy92.54377.42 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale91.61380.56 MB/sec [altivec]
Add89.52377.77 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad88.16362.83 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test115.11
Line120.913.08 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle122.378.61 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle130.373.00 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier110.871.20 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text97.041.58 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test79.90
Spinning Squares79.9055.92 frames/sec
User Interface Test101.06
Elements101.0634.39 refresh/sec
Here's 7b80
Code:
CPU Test69.43
GCD Recursion98.943.86 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic107.12380.96 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic108.051.57 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT29.60456.20 Mflop/sec
Floating Point Library104.814.20 Mops/sec
Thread Test76.16
Computation54.77441.27 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention124.951.57 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test111.70
System128.42
Allocate499.17168.30 Kalloc/sec
Fill95.43759.62 MB/sec
Copy91.92459.60 MB/sec
Stream98.84
Copy98.69402.49 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale98.62409.69 MB/sec [altivec]
Add99.96421.83 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad98.11403.79 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test133.72
Line118.563.02 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle128.839.06 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle135.973.13 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier125.341.36 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text170.572.78 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test71.21
Spinning Squares71.2149.83 frames/sec
User Interface Test177.08
Elements177.0860.25 refresh/sec
Notice the CPU test took quite a hit, why, im not sure. i made sure i had only finder running when i preformed both of these tests, so who knows. my computer doesnt seem to be running any slower.
I'm not sure what the vecLIB FFT does, but it seems to be running much slower. everything else seems okay.
but take a look at the UI test. A more than 75 PERCENT IMPROVEMENT. thats kick ass.
So could we see a 10.3 release either this week or next? I've been hearing that it's getting close to completion. Also that screenshot from wired.com, this one:
shows the Panther pre-release running on a 400 MHz G3 with 192 MB of RAM. Does anyone have a 400 MHz G3 with that much memory or more with a preview build of Panther installed and running? I ask because I have a classmate who has a 14" Pismo Powerbook clocking in at 400 MHz with 640 MB of RAM and he's hesitant to switch from 10.1.5 to 10.3. Can anyone help me (and him) with that?
Comments
Originally posted by Xool
Don't start thinking I have special info... I don't. But all the recent reports seem to indicate that the OS itself is practically complete. Now that they're tossing in GUI changes, I'd only expect a few more releases.
I didn't think you were an insider (mole) but maybe an educated guess (we all know you're Jobs lapdog
...an important and powerful shift toward dynamism, which is good news for both themers and those hoping for resolution independence
While this is forward looking and slightly off topic can someone go into a bit more detail of resolution independence as well as dynamism and how it relates to OS X, Quartz, Open GL, etc.
Thanks
Originally posted by tink
posted by Amorph
While this is forward looking and slightly off topic can someone go into a bit more detail of resolution independence as well as dynamism and how it relates to OS X, Quartz, Open GL, etc.
Thanks
Resolution independence is all about objects on the screen retaining their size.
LCD screens will eventually be able to produce +300ppi images. This will make pictures look extremely crisp. Unfortunately, it'll also make bitmap pictures look smaller on screen because more pixels can be shoved into a square inch.
Because OS X isn't totally resolution independent, windows and icons look smaller when you change to a higher resolution.
Resolution independence, however, is supposed to prevent this and retain the size of objects yet allow them to look crisper.
I think we're still far away from this though. Computers and graphics card need to get quite a bit faster for all of this...but it's coming, 7-10 years from now, we'll have some very high definition LCD screens and some pretty powerful computers...but they'll still feel slow because the GUIs and apps will have evolved to really push their limits.
Originally posted by PBG4 Dude
I didn't think you were an insider (mole) but maybe an educated guess (we all know you're Jobs lapdog
arf arf
But Apple finally implemented the ability to close closeable windows from the dock, a feature i've been waiting for since 10.1
take a look:
yay!
-ST
further up the thread people mentioned they were going to try it, it didn't work in this release etc etc
Originally posted by Brad
Yeah, that's been mentioned. It was actually a feature that was present in 10.2 Jaguar developer builds but was pulled in the later builds just before GM.
Um...why the heck would they pull that?
Originally posted by ShallowThroat
I don't know if this has already been mention... im a bit too lazy to read through 20 something pages.
But Apple finally implemented the ability to close closeable windows from the dock, a feature i've been waiting for since 10.1
take a look:
yay!
-ST
It's about bloody time! It doesn't make sense to click on a window to un-minimise it, and then close it. m.
Originally posted by jwill
Um...why the heck would they pull that?
Because it doesn't work well with apps that bring up sheets or warning dialogs to "Save" or windows that aren't closeable.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Because it doesn't work well with apps that bring up sheets or warning dialogs to "Save" or windows that aren't closeable.
Yeah. When I played with the MIP that was floating around, I rarely had Close work. So I gave up. But it's nice to see it coming back. Close in Dock at least.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Because it doesn't work well with apps that bring up sheets or warning dialogs to "Save" or windows that aren't closeable.
If a sheet or dialog comes up it can just un-minimize. If the window can't close, then either there would *be* no "Close" item, or it would be disabled. Shmeasy.
Originally posted by ChrisG
Heres a quick Panther Safari UI issue question. Does Safari now have a graphite version of its buttons?
Yes.
Originally posted by ShallowThroat
I don't know if this has already been mention... im a bit too lazy to read through 20 something pages.
But Apple finally implemented the ability to close closeable windows from the dock, a feature i've been waiting for since 10.1
take a look:
yay!
-ST
Is this in 7B80?
and to clairify, you cant close all windows from the dock, only finder ones, and a few others.
ah well, better than nothing.
-ST
P.S. 7B80 is wicked fast. want me to post Xbench results?
Originally posted by ShallowThroat
P.S. 7B80 is wicked fast. want me to post Xbench results?
Need you ask?
you can now set your mac to start at a specific time! lookie!
whee!
now some Xbench.
I am running 7B80 on an 867 Quicksilver with 640 RAM and a Radeon 9800 (overkill, i know, but i got a really good deal on it.
here's 10.2.6
CPU Test81.90
GCD Recursion100.043.91 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic106.06377.19 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic107.371.56 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT44.07679.06 Mflop/sec
Floating Point Library103.954.16 Mops/sec
Thread Test55.42
Computation54.20436.66 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention56.69711.56 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test90.70
System90.98
Allocate103.4234.87 Kalloc/sec
Fill81.32647.34 MB/sec
Copy90.85454.26 MB/sec
Stream90.43
Copy92.54377.42 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale91.61380.56 MB/sec [altivec]
Add89.52377.77 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad88.16362.83 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test115.11
Line120.913.08 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle122.378.61 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle130.373.00 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier110.871.20 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text97.041.58 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test79.90
Spinning Squares79.9055.92 frames/sec
User Interface Test101.06
Elements101.0634.39 refresh/sec
Here's 7b80
CPU Test69.43
GCD Recursion98.943.86 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic107.12380.96 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic108.051.57 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT29.60456.20 Mflop/sec
Floating Point Library104.814.20 Mops/sec
Thread Test76.16
Computation54.77441.27 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention124.951.57 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test111.70
System128.42
Allocate499.17168.30 Kalloc/sec
Fill95.43759.62 MB/sec
Copy91.92459.60 MB/sec
Stream98.84
Copy98.69402.49 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale98.62409.69 MB/sec [altivec]
Add99.96421.83 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad98.11403.79 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test133.72
Line118.563.02 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle128.839.06 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle135.973.13 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier125.341.36 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text170.572.78 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test71.21
Spinning Squares71.2149.83 frames/sec
User Interface Test177.08
Elements177.0860.25 refresh/sec
Notice the CPU test took quite a hit, why, im not sure. i made sure i had only finder running when i preformed both of these tests, so who knows. my computer doesnt seem to be running any slower.
I'm not sure what the vecLIB FFT does, but it seems to be running much slower. everything else seems okay.
but take a look at the UI test. A more than 75 PERCENT IMPROVEMENT. thats kick ass.
-ST
[edit: spelling and such]
shows the Panther pre-release running on a 400 MHz G3 with 192 MB of RAM. Does anyone have a 400 MHz G3 with that much memory or more with a preview build of Panther installed and running? I ask because I have a classmate who has a 14" Pismo Powerbook clocking in at 400 MHz with 640 MB of RAM and he's hesitant to switch from 10.1.5 to 10.3. Can anyone help me (and him) with that?