Unlike the statement about the PowerBooks, it isn't explicit enough to make me believe that G5 iMacs are coming soon or not.
For me, the message from the Power Mac update is quite clear: no G5 iMac anytime soon. The next update will still have a G4. The one the Powerbooks have right now.
although i really want the imac updated it could not possible for the summer ,we have not heard anything new other than the imacs have not been restocked,maybe it means something,but dont u thing that we would have heard a bit more of imacs if they were approaching to a g5
On the other hand, don't you think the iMac would have already been updated if all we were going to see was a speed bump to 1.5Ghz G4s? I really think there's a big reason why the eMac was upgraded and allowed to make the current iMac look bad; there's something new and it's not quite ready.
so i can expect that maybeee we are getting the imac g5 for this summer,according to some slim suspicions that u have guys?
i hope so ,i think it is due to a g5 upgrade ,because it is beggning to lag bahind,also if we have to wait ,it will be past winter ,i think,and i think thats too long for an upgrade
I would think the Freescale design would be the most likely, as even the G5 has the standard PowerMac7_2_PlatformPlugin definition for the PowerMac7,3 machine code.
"I think it's important to realize that the technical challenges are not trivial putting that G5 in a PowerBook or anything else and not to expect a G5 anytime soon in a PowerBook -- certainly not before the end of the year," said Boger.
(my emphasis)
That G5? suggests that there's another G5 around
Perhaps a freescale CPU? It still suggests that there's no G5 powerbook before next year, but that when it turns up, it may not be the PPC970
Yeah, this is something that has been extensively discussed here the last months. Do a search for Powerbook and Freescale and you will find the threads. Until now, there is no newer information on that than what you will find in the older threads.
Yeah, this is something that has been extensively discussed here the last months. Do a search for Powerbook and Freescale and you will find the threads. Until now, there is no newer information on that than what you will find in the older threads.
I know that, I just meant that it's interesting that Boger didn't just say "it's going to be difficult to get the PPC970 into a powerbook etc" he said "it's difficult to get THIS g5 into ..."
Small point, I know, and he may just mean a future iteration of the ppc970, but it does give some credence to the suggestions that there is going to be another g5 class chip
I know that, I just meant that it's interesting that Boger didn't just say "it's going to be difficult to get the PPC970 into a powerbook etc" he said "it's difficult to get THIS g5 into ..."
Small point, I know, and he may just mean a future iteration of the ppc970, but it does give some credence to the suggestions that there is going to be another g5 class chip
I see. Although I think you are reading too much on that, and it could be very well just an expression to emphasize the problem, it is rumored that Apple and IBM are working on a mobile 64-bit solution for next year. In a year from now or so I would say. It is MacRumors that brought this possibility back in January, if I remember well.
It is clear that the current G5 is not for the Powerbooks. I believed for a moment that the 970FX could do the trick, when I read about power dissipation etc., but when I saw that the numbers were the typical ones and not the maximum, I realized that there is no way. If Apple comes one day and says "this is the new Powerbook G5", I bet it would not be any of the G5s we know right now therein.
Of course they are working on future G5s. You think they built the 970 & 970FX and just stopped and said "okay, this will do for us forever"? The real questions are in how many designs they are working on, what their specs are, and when they'll come available. Look at the recent interview with an IBM rep about how they are throwing open Power for customization... I'm quite sure that means we'll see a variety of things from the IBM Power group, not to mention the possibility that Freescale might deliver something as well.
Of course they are working on future G5s. You think they built the 970 & 970FX and just stopped and said "okay, this will do for us forever"?
I will repeat what you said, of course they are working on future G5s, but I will complete saying that no one knows if they are working on mobile 64-bit CPUs for the Mac platform and where they are.
It should be evident that this is the case indeed, but neither Apple nor IBM said something on that. On the other hand, in several occasions it has been apparent that IBM prepares the next generation 64-bit CPUs for Apple (we have already the 970FX), but until now all those CPUs seem to be desktop/server CPUs. Not notebook CPUs. At least not thin notebook (see Powerbook) CPUs.
well i hope the IMAC G5 will be there,really hope sooo,do you think chances are so slim,many people say ,yes,many no,i hope they come out for the end of the month,or at least before august
well i hope the IMAC G5 will be there,really hope sooo,do you think chances are so slim,many people say ,yes,many no,i hope they come out for the end of the month,or at least before august
I expect at least one hardware announcement and a ton of software (Tiger, QT7, etc)
If Apple was gong to put the 1.5 gig G4 into the next iMac it would have been released a while back - just after the PB (which I bought last month).
If Apple is going to the G5 for the iMac it is a new generation design/engineering effort that will be able to last for a few years, like when the G5 is kicking out at 3.5 to 5 gigs.
From the new PMs we know that they are only available in a dual config, leaving the single G5 for another platform. That leaves us with 2 options:
1. A G5 iMac, new generation that will be used for several years announced at WWDC.
2. If the G5 iMac is released BEFORE the WWDC then there might be a chance for a PowerMac mini - smaller case (PM "shrunk") three thermal zones, some expansion potential (but not as much as the PM) and priced where a mini with a 20" screen is about $200 more expensive than a similar powered iMac.
In terms of the G5 iMac, not all consumers are dumb. It targets the market that buys $20,000+ cars, everything from 3 Series BMWs to old f@rts with Crown Vics. The dude with the BMW is going to be somewhat tech savvy (or have friends that are) and the old f@rt (like me, but no Crown Vic) might have been exposed to macs since the mid-80's - like me. Sure there will be a "Little Princess" who thinks they are cute and gets Daddy to buy one for her, but a lot of iMac customers are somewhat intelligent when it comes to iMacs.
With the new PMs all dual I believe that the iMacs are going to be next generation and be the single G5 platform for at least a year. I believe that it will top out one notch below the PM (2.0 gigs for now, but increasing as the PM gets faster chips) and there will be some impressive specs, like a faster FSB) that appeals to those that look at such things before reaching for their credit card.
I also think that the 15" will be the entry level, moving to a wide screen display, like the 15" PB, and have the cheapest G5 that IBM puts out - which will probably be the ones that don't hit 1.8 gigs. Pricing below $1,200 with a Combo drive. BTO can get you a SuperDrive and/or a 1.8 G5 chip.
The mind range would be 17/18" at 1.8. If it's 18" then the 15" might move to 16". BTO can get you a 2.0 chip.
the 20" (or higher) would be at 2.0 and move to 2.5 when a 3 gig PM is available. BTO can NOT get you a 2.5 chip . . .
One important factor for me is that if this is a new generation iMac it will have a lot of the technology that is in the current PMs, mainly because it has to have a multi year life and that will include moving to 3 gigs (or more) over time. I believe a new generation iMac will have to stay in production until Apple is ready to move in Gx chips that have dual cores so we are talking about some heavy engineering as well as dynamic & elegant styling, which Apple does better than anyone else.
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Originally posted by nathan22t
Unlike the statement about the PowerBooks, it isn't explicit enough to make me believe that G5 iMacs are coming soon or not.
For me, the message from the Power Mac update is quite clear: no G5 iMac anytime soon. The next update will still have a G4. The one the Powerbooks have right now.
,i hope im wrong 'cause im dying for an imac g5
Originally posted by oldmacfan
Steve at WWDC..."I would like to intorduce the new and amazing iMac G4 at 1.5 GHZ. It is the fastest iMac every produced."
Angry mob rushes stage...
this WONT happen.
im thinking new chips from freescale.
[B]this WONT happen.
im thinking new chips from freescale or an ibm g5.
i hope so ,i think it is due to a g5 upgrade ,because it is beggning to lag bahind,also if we have to wait ,it will be past winter ,i think,and i think thats too long for an upgrade
Originally posted by geekmeet
this WONT happen.
im thinking new chips from freescale.
PowerMac8,1
SMU_Neo2_PlatformPlugin
That says completely new design to me.
I would think the Freescale design would be the most likely, as even the G5 has the standard PowerMac7_2_PlatformPlugin definition for the PowerMac7,3 machine code.
No, this is something completely new!
"I think it's important to realize that the technical challenges are not trivial putting that G5 in a PowerBook or anything else and not to expect a G5 anytime soon in a PowerBook -- certainly not before the end of the year," said Boger.
(my emphasis)
That G5? suggests that there's another G5 around
Perhaps a freescale CPU? It still suggests that there's no G5 powerbook before next year, but that when it turns up, it may not be the PPC970
Originally posted by mortigi tempo
That G5? suggests that there's another G5 around
Perhaps a freescale CPU?
Yeah, this is something that has been extensively discussed here the last months. Do a search for Powerbook and Freescale and you will find the threads. Until now, there is no newer information on that than what you will find in the older threads.
Yeah, this is something that has been extensively discussed here the last months. Do a search for Powerbook and Freescale and you will find the threads. Until now, there is no newer information on that than what you will find in the older threads.
I know that, I just meant that it's interesting that Boger didn't just say "it's going to be difficult to get the PPC970 into a powerbook etc" he said "it's difficult to get THIS g5 into ..."
Small point, I know, and he may just mean a future iteration of the ppc970, but it does give some credence to the suggestions that there is going to be another g5 class chip
Originally posted by mortigi tempo
I know that, I just meant that it's interesting that Boger didn't just say "it's going to be difficult to get the PPC970 into a powerbook etc" he said "it's difficult to get THIS g5 into ..."
Small point, I know, and he may just mean a future iteration of the ppc970, but it does give some credence to the suggestions that there is going to be another g5 class chip
I see. Although I think you are reading too much on that, and it could be very well just an expression to emphasize the problem, it is rumored that Apple and IBM are working on a mobile 64-bit solution for next year. In a year from now or so I would say. It is MacRumors that brought this possibility back in January, if I remember well.
It is clear that the current G5 is not for the Powerbooks. I believed for a moment that the 970FX could do the trick, when I read about power dissipation etc., but when I saw that the numbers were the typical ones and not the maximum, I realized that there is no way. If Apple comes one day and says "this is the new Powerbook G5", I bet it would not be any of the G5s we know right now therein.
Originally posted by Programmer
Of course they are working on future G5s. You think they built the 970 & 970FX and just stopped and said "okay, this will do for us forever"?
I will repeat what you said, of course they are working on future G5s, but I will complete saying that no one knows if they are working on mobile 64-bit CPUs for the Mac platform and where they are.
It should be evident that this is the case indeed, but neither Apple nor IBM said something on that. On the other hand, in several occasions it has been apparent that IBM prepares the next generation 64-bit CPUs for Apple (we have already the 970FX), but until now all those CPUs seem to be desktop/server CPUs. Not notebook CPUs. At least not thin notebook (see Powerbook) CPUs.
What I HOPE happens:
- New iMac design, takes out the powersupply
- takes on cubular shape for more space
- has G5's at 1.5, 1.7, 1.9
- uses liquid cooling (less fans = less noise) to allow it to handle the heat from G5
What might actualy happen:
- iMac design is the same
- has G5's at 1.4, 1.6, 1.8
- uses liquid cooling
- power supply is taken out
What probaly will happen:
- Steve shows off really c001 powermacs
- talks about tiger
- adds in various plug-ins for other apps
- demonstrates exactly how cool powermacs are
Originally posted by iMAC G5dreamer
well i hope the IMAC G5 will be there,really hope sooo,do you think chances are so slim,many people say ,yes,many no,i hope they come out for the end of the month,or at least before august
I expect at least one hardware announcement and a ton of software (Tiger, QT7, etc)
If Apple is going to the G5 for the iMac it is a new generation design/engineering effort that will be able to last for a few years, like when the G5 is kicking out at 3.5 to 5 gigs.
From the new PMs we know that they are only available in a dual config, leaving the single G5 for another platform. That leaves us with 2 options:
1. A G5 iMac, new generation that will be used for several years announced at WWDC.
2. If the G5 iMac is released BEFORE the WWDC then there might be a chance for a PowerMac mini - smaller case (PM "shrunk") three thermal zones, some expansion potential (but not as much as the PM) and priced where a mini with a 20" screen is about $200 more expensive than a similar powered iMac.
In terms of the G5 iMac, not all consumers are dumb. It targets the market that buys $20,000+ cars, everything from 3 Series BMWs to old f@rts with Crown Vics. The dude with the BMW is going to be somewhat tech savvy (or have friends that are) and the old f@rt (like me, but no Crown Vic) might have been exposed to macs since the mid-80's - like me. Sure there will be a "Little Princess" who thinks they are cute and gets Daddy to buy one for her, but a lot of iMac customers are somewhat intelligent when it comes to iMacs.
With the new PMs all dual I believe that the iMacs are going to be next generation and be the single G5 platform for at least a year. I believe that it will top out one notch below the PM (2.0 gigs for now, but increasing as the PM gets faster chips) and there will be some impressive specs, like a faster FSB) that appeals to those that look at such things before reaching for their credit card.
I also think that the 15" will be the entry level, moving to a wide screen display, like the 15" PB, and have the cheapest G5 that IBM puts out - which will probably be the ones that don't hit 1.8 gigs. Pricing below $1,200 with a Combo drive. BTO can get you a SuperDrive and/or a 1.8 G5 chip.
The mind range would be 17/18" at 1.8. If it's 18" then the 15" might move to 16". BTO can get you a 2.0 chip.
the 20" (or higher) would be at 2.0 and move to 2.5 when a 3 gig PM is available. BTO can NOT get you a 2.5 chip . . .
One important factor for me is that if this is a new generation iMac it will have a lot of the technology that is in the current PMs, mainly because it has to have a multi year life and that will include moving to 3 gigs (or more) over time. I believe a new generation iMac will have to stay in production until Apple is ready to move in Gx chips that have dual cores so we are talking about some heavy engineering as well as dynamic & elegant styling, which Apple does better than anyone else.
I think Jobs will talk about more than Tiger, though.
(Yes, it's a guess.)
Originally posted by Rolo
The next iMac could very well have a 1.5 gig G4 in it.
I think Jobs will talk about more than Tiger, though.
I hope that Steve comes clean at WWDC about what happend and does not try to ignore it.