You're right. Unless they decide to do other things with the space there shouldn't be a difference. But five years from now, there might.
They plan on a great many things that will take up that extra space, some of which won't happen for several years. Movies and television are only the beginning. They want a technology as future-proof as possible and HD-DVD isn't it.
Managed Copy is a feature of AACS ...not a particular OS
I'll bet it was MS and Intel that pushed for it though. If MS had waited on the intro of the 360 so that they could have put an HD drive in, they wouldn't care as much about it.
Managed Copy is a feature of AACS ...not a particular OS
Do you really trust Microsoft that much? With their influence I wouldn't count on it staying that way.
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Microsoft failed in the music service/music player market. They see HD content as their secord chance.
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Every July, 400 of the most powerful media and tech industry chieftains meet at investment banker Herb Allen's conference in Sun Valley, Idaho, for what are usually convivial discussions of megatrends and megamergers. But this year, Microsoft (MSFT ) Chairman Bill Gates III laid into Sony (SNE ) Chief Executive Howard Stringer, according to two sources, including one who witnessed the exchange in a private room.
Gates argued that Sony's new high-definition DVD standard, called Blu-ray, needed to be changed so it would work smoothly with personal computers running on Microsoft's Windows operating system. Stringer and two lieutenants defended the technology, insisting Blu-ray would work fine in PCs.
Yet Gates's ire only grew. "There must be something much deeper going on," Stringer said later, according to another person who heard the comment. A Microsoft spokesman acknowledges that Gates and Stringer talked at the conference, but says things did not become "heated."
It sounds to me like Gates has something proprietary for Windows Vista in mind and control over the HD format is critical to his plans.
At the same time MS did that with the 360. They also had crappy demo's running off Mac G5's.
Don't forget that the 360 is now ready to go, just 5 weeks left. They had better be showing *real* games. So far, those who have seen them haven't been too impressed. The article in the Times the other day said that the games looked pretty good but not vastly better, and that the gameplay seemed to be about the same. They also said MS's new game, I forgot the name off hand, also looks good but was no way neer the breakthrough that Halo was when the X Box first came out.
Sony has a fair bit of time to go yet.
why do you go off of what everyone says? have you played anything? have you tried the new controller?
you think the ps3 will bring crazy games never seen before? realize most games coming to the 360 will be released for the ps3 and vice versa.
i think people are expecting too much. when the ps2 came out games weren't that must different from ps1 sorry to say that. the graphics were better and thats it. have you seen the footage for perfect dark running on a HD tv? trust me it looks a lot better.. doesn't mean it will blow people away like their hoping. you have to give it time.
ha, halo when it was first shown for the xbox was not very well recieved lol. i remember it all too well.
anyways i dont care what dvd format they go for aslong as its at a current price point for regular dvd's.
as far as movies go how much space do they really need?
if you think about it not many movies have all that many special features to fill that much space.
the capacity of HD-DVD is more than enough.
Not to the studios. They want to release a full HD TV season on a single disk. If BluRay can do this and HD DVD can't, that's going to count to them to a degree.
Not to the studios. They want to release a full HD TV season on a single disk. If BluRay can do this and HD DVD can't, that's going to count to them to a degree.
understood but cant they fit most of it on one hd-dvd disk?
Gates is freaking out, and 7 out of 8 Studios are in the Blu-ray camp. I wonder if Balmer is going to throw a chair again?
Sony should offer 10% of their Blu-ray royalties to Toshiba in exchange for support, and dump all Microsoft codecs (etc) from the Blu-ray standard...
I understand why Sony does not want to have the managed copy function, because that is the only way that the xbox360 will be able to play high-def movies (streamed from a PC).
could spell the end of microsoft. Why do you need a home computer when a PS3 can do most everything that you need?
If the PS3 has a web browser and an office suite (open office for PS3?). Sony can cut out Apple and Dell and have the home computer market for itself - Microsoft's box is not capible of doing that.
why do you go off of what everyone says? have you played anything? have you tried the new controller?
you think the ps3 will bring crazy games never seen before? realize most games coming to the 360 will be released for the ps3 and vice versa.
i think people are expecting too much. when the ps2 came out games weren't that must different from ps1 sorry to say that. the graphics were better and thats it. have you seen the footage for perfect dark running on a HD tv? trust me it looks a lot better.. doesn't mean it will blow people away like their hoping. you have to give it time.
ha, halo when it was first shown for the xbox was not very well recieved lol. i remember it all too well.
anyways i dont care what dvd format they go for aslong as its at a current price point for regular dvd's.
I'm simply telling what those who were actually there said. Were you there?
If you weren't then you don't know.
There were two shows, one was back earlier this year. Both MS and Sony had pre-rendered games shown. Neither admitted it at first.
MS's 360 is finished, and development for the games coming out the 22nd of Nov. are pretty much done. So they show ed them. Sony is at least 6 months behind, and the games for the PS3 aren't finished.
It's pretty simple, actually.
I don't recall us talking about controllers, just how the games looked.
There are big arguments about how well the Sony controllers will work, or how they will feel. But no one who has said that they didn't like them has actually used them. Sony has also said that they might not be the final design.
As far as "crazy games" goes, I have no idea what you are talking about. I think that's your problem, not Sony's.
There are two groups of console gamers out there from what I've seen on the various sites. Those who love the X Box and hate Sony, and those who love the PS2 and hate MS. It's easy to see which group you belong to.
And you are totaly wrong about Halo. There is no disagrrment about the fact that Halo made the X Box. It's been stated many times over the past few years that without Halo, the X Box would have been a big flop.
you think the ps3 will bring crazy games never seen before? realize most games coming to the 360 will be released for the ps3 and vice versa.
Not true - the systems are different enough that it is hard to port games. The list for the PS3 *just for Japan launch only* is over 100 games already - gamespot is down right now, so I can't give you exact game counts, but last time I looked there were way more titles announced for the PS3 than the xbox360. It does not matter to me because I will buy both.
Go to gamespot and look through the games. There are games that I want to play on both systems, but no game that I like so far that will be availble on both systems.
we can sit here and do the mumbo jumbo all day long. we'll just have to wait and see.
the japanese market is not the number 1 market in gaming right now. its the U.S and in my opinion in the U.S the xbox is growing to have the number 1 seat.
to me personally i dont care about what console wins or doesn't. i just firmly believe what microsoft has in place here is the better overal system(not just specs)
however the big blow could be this blu-ray deal. if ps3 has it, if the blu-ray craze is taking off and the xbox doesn't carry it they are introuble.
EDIT: we were talking about when HALO was first shown at E3 for the xbox obviously everyone knows what became of halo after the laucnh.
EDIT: we were talking about when HALO was first shown at E3 for the xbox obviously everyone knows what became of halo after the laucnh.
Yes, we do. Halo sold a lot of X Boxes, and saved MS's ass.If you can call losing $1.2 billion a year on it, and being outsold 4 to 1 by Sony. Still it's been acknowledged, despite your disbelief, that if it weren't for Halo, the X Box might not be around today.
Yes, we do. Halo sold a lot of X Boxes, and saved MS's ass.If you can call losing $1.2 billion a year on it, and being outsold 4 to 1 by Sony. Still it's been acknowledged, despite your disbelief, that if it weren't for Halo, the X Box might not be around today.
you're not understanding. i know that people regard halo as xbox's savior.
what i was talking about is how poorly halo was recieved during its showing at e3.
Sony's machine (ps2) was never anythign to marvel at. it couldve easily lost that first year to dreamcast if it weren't for the dvd drive. there was nothing "next gen" about it.
the xbox comes out and has way better specs. yet it still struggles because of the name Sony carries and the franchises.
but my god it was microsofts FIRST console. think about that for a second.... how long has nintendo been around?
Comments
Originally posted by melgross
You're right. Unless they decide to do other things with the space there shouldn't be a difference. But five years from now, there might.
They plan on a great many things that will take up that extra space, some of which won't happen for several years. Movies and television are only the beginning. They want a technology as future-proof as possible and HD-DVD isn't it.
Originally posted by 1984
Yeah, and with Microsoft's involvement it will require Windows Vista. Thanks but no thanks.
Managed Copy is a feature of AACS ...not a particular OS
Originally posted by hmurchison
Managed Copy is a feature of AACS ...not a particular OS
I'll bet it was MS and Intel that pushed for it though. If MS had waited on the intro of the 360 so that they could have put an HD drive in, they wouldn't care as much about it.
Since when has MS been consumer friendly?
Originally posted by Elixir
ps3 says they are going to introduce an online system but we have yet to see anytyhing
You mean like Mac says they'll be using Pentium's processors in their Apples shortly?
Originally posted by hmurchison
Managed Copy is a feature of AACS ...not a particular OS
Do you really trust Microsoft that much? With their influence I wouldn't count on it staying that way.
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Microsoft failed in the music service/music player market. They see HD content as their secord chance.
Every July, 400 of the most powerful media and tech industry chieftains meet at investment banker Herb Allen's conference in Sun Valley, Idaho, for what are usually convivial discussions of megatrends and megamergers. But this year, Microsoft (MSFT ) Chairman Bill Gates III laid into Sony (SNE ) Chief Executive Howard Stringer, according to two sources, including one who witnessed the exchange in a private room.
Gates argued that Sony's new high-definition DVD standard, called Blu-ray, needed to be changed so it would work smoothly with personal computers running on Microsoft's Windows operating system. Stringer and two lieutenants defended the technology, insisting Blu-ray would work fine in PCs.
Yet Gates's ire only grew. "There must be something much deeper going on," Stringer said later, according to another person who heard the comment. A Microsoft spokesman acknowledges that Gates and Stringer talked at the conference, but says things did not become "heated."
It sounds to me like Gates has something proprietary for Windows Vista in mind and control over the HD format is critical to his plans.
Originally posted by melgross
At the same time MS did that with the 360. They also had crappy demo's running off Mac G5's.
Don't forget that the 360 is now ready to go, just 5 weeks left. They had better be showing *real* games. So far, those who have seen them haven't been too impressed. The article in the Times the other day said that the games looked pretty good but not vastly better, and that the gameplay seemed to be about the same. They also said MS's new game, I forgot the name off hand, also looks good but was no way neer the breakthrough that Halo was when the X Box first came out.
Sony has a fair bit of time to go yet.
why do you go off of what everyone says? have you played anything? have you tried the new controller?
you think the ps3 will bring crazy games never seen before? realize most games coming to the 360 will be released for the ps3 and vice versa.
i think people are expecting too much. when the ps2 came out games weren't that must different from ps1 sorry to say that. the graphics were better and thats it. have you seen the footage for perfect dark running on a HD tv? trust me it looks a lot better.. doesn't mean it will blow people away like their hoping. you have to give it time.
ha, halo when it was first shown for the xbox was not very well recieved lol. i remember it all too well.
anyways i dont care what dvd format they go for aslong as its at a current price point for regular dvd's.
Originally posted by Elixir
as far as movies go how much space do they really need?
if you think about it not many movies have all that many special features to fill that much space.
the capacity of HD-DVD is more than enough.
Not to the studios. They want to release a full HD TV season on a single disk. If BluRay can do this and HD DVD can't, that's going to count to them to a degree.
Originally posted by johnsonwax
Not to the studios. They want to release a full HD TV season on a single disk. If BluRay can do this and HD DVD can't, that's going to count to them to a degree.
understood but cant they fit most of it on one hd-dvd disk?
Originally posted by Elixir
now i've been lurking around here for a while and i'm noticing a lot of faith and speculation put into the PS3.
Sony and others seem to be really banking on the PS3 pushing blu-ray into the market.
i'm just confused....
no one has seen a single game coming out of the damn machine and are already saying it's going to stomp the Xbox360.
How the hell do you know this? you dont. Nintendo ruled the market for years and years and is now considered number 3.
sony had 2 consoles cycles dominated by the playstation. 2 only, so its fair to say you really dont know how well this thing will do.
my money is on microsoft this round.
just watch, wait and see.
oh and i side with HD-DVD
Specs, game library, backwards compatible and the what, 80 million following makes the PS 3 the clear winner and you'll be losing that money, again
BRD is my choice to win.
Even top studio executives at the nearly lame-duck HD DVD camp are quietly conceding the victory to Blu-ray.
Originally posted by sunilraman
all your hi-def are belong to bluRay
http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...9074_tc024.htm
Gates is freaking out, and 7 out of 8 Studios are in the Blu-ray camp. I wonder if Balmer is going to throw a chair again?
Sony should offer 10% of their Blu-ray royalties to Toshiba in exchange for support, and dump all Microsoft codecs (etc) from the Blu-ray standard...
I understand why Sony does not want to have the managed copy function, because that is the only way that the xbox360 will be able to play high-def movies (streamed from a PC).
1. No hdmi digital video output
2. No HD-DVD drive
could spell the end of microsoft. Why do you need a home computer when a PS3 can do most everything that you need?
If the PS3 has a web browser and an office suite (open office for PS3?). Sony can cut out Apple and Dell and have the home computer market for itself - Microsoft's box is not capible of doing that.
Originally posted by Elixir
why do you go off of what everyone says? have you played anything? have you tried the new controller?
you think the ps3 will bring crazy games never seen before? realize most games coming to the 360 will be released for the ps3 and vice versa.
i think people are expecting too much. when the ps2 came out games weren't that must different from ps1 sorry to say that. the graphics were better and thats it. have you seen the footage for perfect dark running on a HD tv? trust me it looks a lot better.. doesn't mean it will blow people away like their hoping. you have to give it time.
ha, halo when it was first shown for the xbox was not very well recieved lol. i remember it all too well.
anyways i dont care what dvd format they go for aslong as its at a current price point for regular dvd's.
I'm simply telling what those who were actually there said. Were you there?
If you weren't then you don't know.
There were two shows, one was back earlier this year. Both MS and Sony had pre-rendered games shown. Neither admitted it at first.
MS's 360 is finished, and development for the games coming out the 22nd of Nov. are pretty much done. So they show ed them. Sony is at least 6 months behind, and the games for the PS3 aren't finished.
It's pretty simple, actually.
I don't recall us talking about controllers, just how the games looked.
There are big arguments about how well the Sony controllers will work, or how they will feel. But no one who has said that they didn't like them has actually used them. Sony has also said that they might not be the final design.
As far as "crazy games" goes, I have no idea what you are talking about. I think that's your problem, not Sony's.
There are two groups of console gamers out there from what I've seen on the various sites. Those who love the X Box and hate Sony, and those who love the PS2 and hate MS. It's easy to see which group you belong to.
And you are totaly wrong about Halo. There is no disagrrment about the fact that Halo made the X Box. It's been stated many times over the past few years that without Halo, the X Box would have been a big flop.
Originally posted by Elixir
you think the ps3 will bring crazy games never seen before? realize most games coming to the 360 will be released for the ps3 and vice versa.
Not true - the systems are different enough that it is hard to port games. The list for the PS3 *just for Japan launch only* is over 100 games already - gamespot is down right now, so I can't give you exact game counts, but last time I looked there were way more titles announced for the PS3 than the xbox360. It does not matter to me because I will buy both.
Go to gamespot and look through the games. There are games that I want to play on both systems, but no game that I like so far that will be availble on both systems.
the japanese market is not the number 1 market in gaming right now. its the U.S and in my opinion in the U.S the xbox is growing to have the number 1 seat.
to me personally i dont care about what console wins or doesn't. i just firmly believe what microsoft has in place here is the better overal system(not just specs)
however the big blow could be this blu-ray deal. if ps3 has it, if the blu-ray craze is taking off and the xbox doesn't carry it they are introuble.
EDIT: we were talking about when HALO was first shown at E3 for the xbox obviously everyone knows what became of halo after the laucnh.
Originally posted by Elixir
EDIT: we were talking about when HALO was first shown at E3 for the xbox obviously everyone knows what became of halo after the laucnh.
Yes, we do. Halo sold a lot of X Boxes, and saved MS's ass.If you can call losing $1.2 billion a year on it, and being outsold 4 to 1 by Sony. Still it's been acknowledged, despite your disbelief, that if it weren't for Halo, the X Box might not be around today.
Originally posted by melgross
Yes, we do. Halo sold a lot of X Boxes, and saved MS's ass.If you can call losing $1.2 billion a year on it, and being outsold 4 to 1 by Sony. Still it's been acknowledged, despite your disbelief, that if it weren't for Halo, the X Box might not be around today.
you're not understanding. i know that people regard halo as xbox's savior.
what i was talking about is how poorly halo was recieved during its showing at e3.
Sony's machine (ps2) was never anythign to marvel at. it couldve easily lost that first year to dreamcast if it weren't for the dvd drive. there was nothing "next gen" about it.
the xbox comes out and has way better specs. yet it still struggles because of the name Sony carries and the franchises.
but my god it was microsofts FIRST console. think about that for a second.... how long has nintendo been around?
people put too much faith into sony.