I think the whole regioning thing makes it possible to include it for only certain regions. As an aside has anybody heard news on regions for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray? I know there was talk at one stage that they'd be gone then the studios wanted it or something but I never heard a final decision. Did it go or did it stay? God I hope it went...
The last I heard was that, if there was to be region encoding, the regions would align differently (just three total) and the U.S. and Japan would be the new Region 1. Does anyone have any more recent information? I thought I read that the HD DVD players currently on the market are NOT using region encoding, although I'm not sure if that applied only to HD discs or to both HD and DVD.
In any event, if you have to leave the analog "hole" open in one region, there's no sense in closing it elsewhere. If you have to leave one door in a birdcage open, what's the point of locking all the others?
Again, I think both blu-ray and HD-DVD are obsolete, I rather just download or stream 1080p movies from iTunes. The age of optical media is almost over.
Again, I think both blu-ray and HD-DVD are obsolete, I rather just download or stream 1080p movies from iTunes. The age of optical media is almost over.
But there's so much that you give up. There's not interactive layer in downloads. You are basically getting "no-frills" video. There's no unified chapter access or way to change viewing options.
Until there's a standard for encapsulating downloadable video content with all the current options we enjoy on DVD/Blue Laser media I doubt we see downloads take over. People enjoy good presentation.
Did you know?
With HD-DVD and Blu Ray you will be able to watch a movie and view the supplemental materia simulataneously? Imagine watching the Burly Brawl scene in the Matrix Reloaded and watching how it was created in Green Screen at the same time synced up. That's what the nextgen stuff can do and more.
With HD-DVD and Blu Ray you will be able to watch a movie and view the supplemental materia simulataneously? Imagine watching the Burly Brawl scene in the Matrix Reloaded and watching how it was created in Green Screen at the same time synced up. That's what the nextgen stuff can do and more.
You make a good point, but I don't buy it. I don't see anything preventing the interactive layers that you describe with downloadable/streamable content. Interactivity is still just data and data can be transmitted over the web. In fact the internet has no limits, while optical media does. You can always make a better typewritter but it'll never take on the PC, you know what I mean?
Content wise you can do everything via the web that can be done with blu-ray or HD DVD, the only difference is one is one requires a piece of plastic and a new compatible player everytime that standard is updated and the other does not.
And it's unfortunate the first DVD standard never turned out to be what they promissed us it would; multiple camera angles, interactive movies, etc... We never got any of that, HD DVD and blu-ray is just another dumb (or smart depending on how you look at it) ploy to sell boxes.
Content wise you can do everything via the web that can be done with blu-ray or HD DVD, the only difference is one is one requires a piece of plastic and a new compatible player everytime that standard is updated and the other does not.
Bandwidth is a lot higher for the disk formats than your internet connection. Latency is lower, transfer speed is consistant and higher. I have a high speed roadrunner connection, and I get drop-outs even with small videos.
Bandwidth is a lot higher for the disk formats than your internet connection. Latency is lower, transfer speed is consistant and higher. I have a high speed roadrunner connection, and I get drop-outs even with small videos.
I'll awknowledge there are bandwidth limitations on many broadband connections however I think this is not without a solution, in the time it takes to run to the video store; plenty of content could be buffered.
I'm lucky enough to live just out of NYC with 30Mb/s+ connections availible from Cablevision/Lightpath as well as Verizons new FIOS service (fibre to the home). Both have more than enough bandwidth to simultaneously stream several 1080p feeds at a time. I know that's not the case everywhere, but I expect ultra-broadband to be availible in many more markets soon.
Again, I think both blu-ray and HD-DVD are obsolete, I rather just download or stream 1080p movies from iTunes. The age of optical media is almost over.
I'll awknowledge there are bandwidth limitations on many broadband connections however I think this is not without a solution, in the time it takes to run to the video store; plenty of content could be buffered.
I'm lucky enough to live just out of NYC with 30Mb/s+ connections availible from Cablevision/Lightpath as well as Verizons new FIOS service (fibre to the home). Both have more than enough bandwidth to simultaneously stream several 1080p feeds at a time. I know that's not the case everywhere, but I expect ultra-broadband to be availible in many more markets soon.
Another limitation is hard drive space. How many 25GB to 100GB movies are you thinking of storing on your computer?
Another limitation is hard drive space. How many 25GB to 100GB movies are you thinking of storing on your computer?
1 at a time, I'd just stream any movie I want anytime I want it.
I know we're used to a mentality where you have to own media as physical property, but I rather let my content reside on a server somewhere else with the ability to access it from wherever I am. For the same reason I like webmail better than say outlook or Apple's Mail. I can destroy my computer and loose nothing, and I can access my stuff from any machine on the planet with an internet connection without having to configure anything or download new software.
Another limitation is hard drive space. How many 25GB to 100GB movies are you thinking of storing on your computer?
Storage prices are down to around $0.50 per GB and dropping, especially with the release of perpendicular recording. So $12.50 in storage and the cost of an internet connection that most people want anyway. It's cheaper than buying most DVDs. Interactivity and extras can also certainly be added to downloadable copies if they so desire too. To date they really only haven't to save bandwidth I expect.
Storage prices are down to around $0.50 per GB and dropping, especially with the release of perpendicular recording. So $12.50 in storage and the cost of an internet connection that most people want anyway. It's cheaper than buying most DVDs. Interactivity and extras can also certainly be added to downloadable copies if they so desire too. To date they really only haven't to save bandwidth I expect.
Agreed Telomar, there's also no need to buy a new disc player (or face oneself with the decision between HD and Blu-ray).
Bandwidth is a lot higher for the disk formats than your internet connection. Latency is lower, transfer speed is consistant and higher. I have a high speed roadrunner connection, and I get drop-outs even with small videos.
Yes, but if you are buying content from your ISP (Comcast or Verizon) then you are working with latency and bandwidth issues to the closest POP. VOD on IPTV seems to be gaining some popularity vs DBV given the drive toward Triple Play. FiOS video offerings are IPTV and while I haven't ordered it yet it didn't seem to have any issues when I watched it a bit in their kiosk.
The FIOS service I purchased was slower than the Comcast cable I had prior but a) Dude, its FIBER! To The HOME!, b) it scales faster and c) most importantly it was cheaper even with my cable discount.
I have to figure out if their HD DVR package is cheaper or not but if it is then I'll switch video as well. But really, HD video over the net isn't an issue.
Apple would have to make a deal with ISPs to get the QOS they desired by being local instead of over the internet.
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In any event, if you have to leave the analog "hole" open in one region, there's no sense in closing it elsewhere. If you have to leave one door in a birdcage open, what's the point of locking all the others?
http://www.digit-life.com/news.html?06/16/17
Already 4X. Wow, I'm impressed.
Originally posted by marzetta7
LG Delivers 4X Blu-ray PC Drive, expected in June...
http://www.digit-life.com/news.html?06/16/17
Already 4X. Wow, I'm impressed.
Am I the only one who thinks that this Nx thing is stupid? Just tell me the read and write data rate directly.
Not only is 4x uninformative, but I am pretty sure that it is a different datarate than 4x on DVD, which is different than 4x on CDR.
Originally posted by e1618978
Am I the only one who thinks that this Nx thing is stupid? Just tell me the read and write data rate directly.
Not only is 4x uninformative, but I am pretty sure that it is a different datarate than 4x on DVD, which is different than 4x on CDR.
Indeed. 4x blu-ray is pretty good, but people will compare it to 8x DVD-R or 16x CD-R and think it's slow.
Still no HD-DVD burners...
Originally posted by Blackcat
Indeed. 4x blu-ray is pretty good, but people will compare it to 8x DVD-R or 16x CD-R and think it's slow.
Still no HD-DVD burners...
Somehow, I highly doubt this is an issue. we will certainly hear about it in the near future. . . I'll bet you a quarter.
Originally posted by ngmapple
Again, I think both blu-ray and HD-DVD are obsolete, I rather just download or stream 1080p movies from iTunes. The age of optical media is almost over.
But there's so much that you give up. There's not interactive layer in downloads. You are basically getting "no-frills" video. There's no unified chapter access or way to change viewing options.
Until there's a standard for encapsulating downloadable video content with all the current options we enjoy on DVD/Blue Laser media I doubt we see downloads take over. People enjoy good presentation.
Did you know?
With HD-DVD and Blu Ray you will be able to watch a movie and view the supplemental materia simulataneously? Imagine watching the Burly Brawl scene in the Matrix Reloaded and watching how it was created in Green Screen at the same time synced up. That's what the nextgen stuff can do and more.
Originally posted by hmurchison
With HD-DVD and Blu Ray you will be able to watch a movie and view the supplemental materia simulataneously? Imagine watching the Burly Brawl scene in the Matrix Reloaded and watching how it was created in Green Screen at the same time synced up. That's what the nextgen stuff can do and more.
You make a good point, but I don't buy it. I don't see anything preventing the interactive layers that you describe with downloadable/streamable content. Interactivity is still just data and data can be transmitted over the web. In fact the internet has no limits, while optical media does. You can always make a better typewritter but it'll never take on the PC, you know what I mean?
Content wise you can do everything via the web that can be done with blu-ray or HD DVD, the only difference is one is one requires a piece of plastic and a new compatible player everytime that standard is updated and the other does not.
And it's unfortunate the first DVD standard never turned out to be what they promissed us it would; multiple camera angles, interactive movies, etc... We never got any of that, HD DVD and blu-ray is just another dumb (or smart depending on how you look at it) ploy to sell boxes.
Originally posted by ngmapple
Content wise you can do everything via the web that can be done with blu-ray or HD DVD, the only difference is one is one requires a piece of plastic and a new compatible player everytime that standard is updated and the other does not.
Bandwidth is a lot higher for the disk formats than your internet connection. Latency is lower, transfer speed is consistant and higher. I have a high speed roadrunner connection, and I get drop-outs even with small videos.
Originally posted by e1618978
Bandwidth is a lot higher for the disk formats than your internet connection. Latency is lower, transfer speed is consistant and higher. I have a high speed roadrunner connection, and I get drop-outs even with small videos.
I'll awknowledge there are bandwidth limitations on many broadband connections however I think this is not without a solution, in the time it takes to run to the video store; plenty of content could be buffered.
I'm lucky enough to live just out of NYC with 30Mb/s+ connections availible from Cablevision/Lightpath as well as Verizons new FIOS service (fibre to the home). Both have more than enough bandwidth to simultaneously stream several 1080p feeds at a time. I know that's not the case everywhere, but I expect ultra-broadband to be availible in many more markets soon.
Originally posted by ngmapple
Again, I think both blu-ray and HD-DVD are obsolete, I rather just download or stream 1080p movies from iTunes. The age of optical media is almost over.
I hope not.
I want to own my movies, not rent them.
Originally posted by ngmapple
I'll awknowledge there are bandwidth limitations on many broadband connections however I think this is not without a solution, in the time it takes to run to the video store; plenty of content could be buffered.
I'm lucky enough to live just out of NYC with 30Mb/s+ connections availible from Cablevision/Lightpath as well as Verizons new FIOS service (fibre to the home). Both have more than enough bandwidth to simultaneously stream several 1080p feeds at a time. I know that's not the case everywhere, but I expect ultra-broadband to be availible in many more markets soon.
Another limitation is hard drive space. How many 25GB to 100GB movies are you thinking of storing on your computer?
Originally posted by e1618978
Another limitation is hard drive space. How many 25GB to 100GB movies are you thinking of storing on your computer?
1 at a time, I'd just stream any movie I want anytime I want it.
I know we're used to a mentality where you have to own media as physical property, but I rather let my content reside on a server somewhere else with the ability to access it from wherever I am. For the same reason I like webmail better than say outlook or Apple's Mail. I can destroy my computer and loose nothing, and I can access my stuff from any machine on the planet with an internet connection without having to configure anything or download new software.
Originally posted by e1618978
Another limitation is hard drive space. How many 25GB to 100GB movies are you thinking of storing on your computer?
Storage prices are down to around $0.50 per GB and dropping, especially with the release of perpendicular recording. So $12.50 in storage and the cost of an internet connection that most people want anyway. It's cheaper than buying most DVDs. Interactivity and extras can also certainly be added to downloadable copies if they so desire too. To date they really only haven't to save bandwidth I expect.
Originally posted by Telomar
Storage prices are down to around $0.50 per GB and dropping, especially with the release of perpendicular recording. So $12.50 in storage and the cost of an internet connection that most people want anyway. It's cheaper than buying most DVDs. Interactivity and extras can also certainly be added to downloadable copies if they so desire too. To date they really only haven't to save bandwidth I expect.
Agreed Telomar, there's also no need to buy a new disc player (or face oneself with the decision between HD and Blu-ray).
Originally posted by e1618978
Bandwidth is a lot higher for the disk formats than your internet connection. Latency is lower, transfer speed is consistant and higher. I have a high speed roadrunner connection, and I get drop-outs even with small videos.
Yes, but if you are buying content from your ISP (Comcast or Verizon) then you are working with latency and bandwidth issues to the closest POP. VOD on IPTV seems to be gaining some popularity vs DBV given the drive toward Triple Play. FiOS video offerings are IPTV and while I haven't ordered it yet it didn't seem to have any issues when I watched it a bit in their kiosk.
The FIOS service I purchased was slower than the Comcast cable I had prior but a) Dude, its FIBER! To The HOME!, b) it scales faster and c) most importantly it was cheaper even with my cable discount.
I have to figure out if their HD DVR package is cheaper or not but if it is then I'll switch video as well. But really, HD video over the net isn't an issue.
Apple would have to make a deal with ISPs to get the QOS they desired by being local instead of over the internet.
Vinea
12 Monkeys... Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas....M:I:3
2 Fast 2 Furious Fearless... Miami Vice
American Pie (Unrated)... Field of Dreams ...Miami Vice Season 1
An American Werewolf in London ....Firewall ...Mrs. Henderson Presents
Animal House ...Forest Gump ...The Mummy (1999)
Army of Darkness... Four Brothers... Ocean?s Twelve
Awake... The Fugitive... Out of Sight
Backdraft... Frankenstein (1931)... Passion of the Clerks
Batman Begins ... Friday Night Lights... The Perfect Storm
Battlestar Galactica... (2004) Season 1 ...Ghost ...The Polar Express
Bikini Destinations (TV Series) ....Grease ...Pitch Black
Black Dahlia ....Grind ...House ...Pulse
Blazing Saddles... Happy Gilmore.... Ray
The Blues Brothers: Extended Edition.... Harry Potter.... Red Dragon
The Bone Collector... How the Grinch Stole Christmas... The Rundown
The Breakfast Club ....The Hulk... Scary Movie 4
Braveheart ...The Interpreter.... School for Scoundrels ...
Breaking and Entering.... Italian Job ....School of Rock
Bubble ...Killshot ....The Scorpian King
Casino... King Kong (Deluxe Edition).... Seabiscuit
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.... La Cité des Enfants Perdus ...Sin City 2
Children of Men La Grande... Vadrouille.... Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
Conan the Barbarian .... La Haine ...Spartacus
Constantine.... Land of the Dead (Unrated).... Spongebob Squarepants
Dante's Peak .... Lara Croft: Tomb Raider... Spy Game
Dawn of the Dead (Unrated)... L'armée des Ombres ...The Thing
Dazed and Confused.... Last Legion... Traffic
Decameron Le Cercle Rouge ...TransAmerica
The Deer Hunter ...Le Lauréat ...Two for the Money
...Le Pacte des Loups(Brotherhood of the Wolf)... U2: Rattle & Hum
Discovery..?s Historic Mission ...Le Pianiste ...Unforgiven
Dracula (1931).. Les Trois Jours du Condor ..Unleashed
Dune Theatrical ...The Libertine Voyage ...au Bout de l'Enfer
Elizabethtown... Lucky Number Slevin.. Waist Deep
End of Days ... The Matador... The War Within
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room ...Matrix .... Waterworld
Fast Times and Ridgemont High ...Meet the Fockers ...Wolf Creek
The Fast and the Furious ...Meet the Parents ...Young Hannibal
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift
Originally posted by vinea
In Store Now: 20 titles...not exactly a blazing launch now is it?
About on par with the initial launch of the original DVD.