Like a microwave oven ? Is it really that bad ? To me, a microwave oven is really noisy ! Is this just an exaggeration, or a realistic description ?
And how is Jaguar ? Do you feel a big improvement over 10.1.5 ? I mean, is it snappier ? How is the window resizing ?
And please, can you describe the front plate in details ? Make a comparison between the new front plate (texture, color, plastic) and the old QS front plate.
<strong>Like a microwave oven ? Is it really that bad ? To me, a microwave oven is really noisy ! Is this just an exaggeration, or a realistic description ?
And how is Jaguar ? Do you feel a big improvement over 10.1.5 ? I mean, is it snappier ? How is the window resizing ?
And please, can you describe the front plate in details ? Make a comparison between the new front plate (texture, color, plastic) and the old QS front plate.
Thanks a lot in advance.</strong><hr></blockquote>
My initial observations:
Unpacking: Apple packs their products better than any company I have ever seen. Alot of attention to detail...usb cable ends have really neat cover/cable clip. Just really nice....is was ashame I had to unpack it...like a perfectly wrapped present.
The front plate feels like plastic, but it appears to be metal and is very reflective....just like a mirror. The power on light has a really cool glow.....neat.
Ok....maybe not as loud as a microwave, but the sound is noticable. Its somewhat louder than my B&W...hard to quantify.
My old computer was a B&W g3 350, so its hard compare 10.1.5 and 10.2. Everything is very fluid. Window resizing in IE is now tolerable, but nowhere near as smooth as Windows 2000/XP. Application launch times are very quick, with the exception of iPhoto and iDvd. I love iPhoto, but man, what a pig. It even takes forever to quit.....I don't understand.
I haven't had a chance to test out the geForce Ti. I have Return to Castle Wolfenstein on order......that should provide a pretty good test. I still have the default 256mb of ram....I have 512 on order...should be here tomorrow.
I will spend most of tonight transfer files etc.....let me know if you have any more questions.
I debated 867 v. 1 Gig. I think the value play is the 867. The 1 Gig just isn't worth the extra $700 for the extra few seconds saved. So I went with:
867 and added SuperDrive and Radeon 9000. All that plus express shipping and tax for under $2000. I'll add a stick of 512MB RAM and in Dec I'll dump the system on ebay for about what I paid to prepare for what I hope is my new G5 system in Jan/Feb. Hopefully that machine will have true DDR RAM.
3 weeks ago I solf my TiBook 400 and bought a 600Mhz iBook (Dare I say I like it more than the TiBook?). This was to hold me over since I also wanted a new PowerMac.
Once they got released I figured maybe I could find an older dual 800 at a better price. No such luck. All the stuff on eBay is going to crazy prices so today I took the plunge and picked up a stock dual 867.
I'll be pulling my DDR RAM from my PC and stuffing that in tomorrow and I'll pick up a SuperDrive soon to either replace or compliment teh combo drive.
I wasn't sure about the speed of this new unit compared to the old stuff (never used a dual CPU machine before) but once I saw how fast this baby launched 6 apps at the same time sold me BIG TIME.
I haven't unpacked it yet, I'll do that tomorrow. I've read the manual so far and in the store I was very impressed with the internal layout. Apple really outdid themselves this time.
To the guy with the $9,200 order: if you are really going to buy RAM from Apple, then you are either so rich you don't care for your money or stupid or something
I will max my RAM out as soon as my G4 arrives, at a local reseller. Why?
Apple cost: ?1548
reseller cost: ?543,60
Apple stuff already costs too much here, I'm not going to give other money to Apple if I can get the same stuff cheaper elsewhere. Just to give you an idea of how much it costs here: I paid my Cinema HD Display more than $5,000; it costs $3,499 in the USA.
BTW, I will not put a second optical drive in the second drive bay.
<strong>To the guy with the $9,200 order: if you are really going to buy RAM from Apple, then you are either so rich you don't care for your money or stupid or something </strong><hr></blockquote>
Everything has to be on a single Purchase Order to get past Accounting...
<strong>Well, this is my first post from my new dual 1 GHz PowerMac G4 w/ 167 MHz. I guess that answers this thread's question. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Tell us ! Tell us ! Everything !
And if you have some photos from your new setup that will be VERY nice !
It is definitely very fast...</strong><hr></blockquote>
What was your previous Mac if I may ask? Did you do some tests to see the difference in speed? I am thinking about replacing an original G4/500Mhz with the new DP 1Ghz.
I'm glad you guys got yours already... but now it's starting to annoy me that mine hasn't even gotten to "being prepped" yet, never mind shipped yet. Still says being assembled. I ordered memory for it yesterday, and now I'm just waiting... and waiting. Come on, hurry up!
I had been planning to buy the new dual 1ghz, but have been having second thoughts and am now considering the OLD dual 1ghz for several reasons. I'm open to being talked out of it, hence this post.
Factors in favor of the NEW machine:
1. faster bus
2. DDR memory
3. nifty mirror on the case front
4. more room for drive expansion
5. up to 2gb ram
6. better video card included
Factors in favor of the OLD machine:
1. cheaper by $300
2. includes 512mb ram instead of 256mb
3. I already have another 512mb of unused PC133 DIMMs, worth $100
4. more L3 cache
So... upgrading the NEW machine to 1gb ram would cost me $2500 + $300 = $2800. Upgrading the OLD machine to 1gb ram would be $2200. A $300 difference is one thing, but the $600 difference has me thinking of buying a quicksilver.
Go ahead and talk me out of it...
Oh, and in case it makes a difference, I'll be using the machine for the following activities, roughly in order of importance:
1. artwork and graphic design (Photoshop, InDesign, a little Quark)
2. digital audio recording, mixing/editing, and mastering (Spark, Digital Performer, Ableton Live)
3. Final Cut Pro and eventually DVD Studio Pro
Hmmm, I just thought of one other thing in favor of the new machine.... it comes with jaguar, which would save me $130. Decisions, decisions.
<strong>Wait a minute... if I buy a new Quicksilver, even if it doesn't come with Jaguar, I can get the $19.99 upgrade to Jaguar, right?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes...that is correct, assuming its a new purchase from an authorized Apple Dealer.
<strong>All new Quicksilvers will have Jaguar preinstalled on the hard drive whether you buy it from Apple, MacMall, or CompUSA.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm.... I think you have your terminology confused. The new "mirror plate" machines aren't Quicksilvers, and since the Quicksilvers in stores now were all manufactured weeks or months ago, why would they have Jaguar on them?
We appreciate your recent Apple Store order xxxxxxxxxx. Due to an unexpected supply delay, we are unable to ship your Z04S, POWER MAC G4 CTO (P58-133MHZ) by the date you were originally quoted. Our goal is to ship your order within the next 5 business days.
If you prefer, you may change or cancel your order and receive a prompt refund by calling us at 1-800-676-2775, extension xxxxx, 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. central time, Monday through Friday, or 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. central time, Saturday and Sunday. If we do not hear from you, we will continue processing your order. If you provided an email address when you placed your order, you will receive an email notification once your order has been shipped.
We appreciate your business and apologize for any inconvenience this delay has caused you. Thank you for shopping at the Apple Store!"
Looks like I'll be waiting at least another week till it ships...Then another week or more for ground shipping. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Apple sure likes to keep their customers on the edge of their seats!
$2999 CDN (you know that funny coloured Monoply money from up north).
+512 MB RAM from dealer.
This is one massive upgrade for me! This replaces my "trusty" PM 6500/250 with a 250 MHz Sonnet G3 upgrade overclocked to 325 MHz and 96 MB or RAM
I will finally be able to burn my Masters thesis and all related materials onto a single disk! <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Now if Apple would only fast track my order ahead of everyone else's (because I'm just such a nice guy). <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Torqued
P.S. I feel confident that this new machine will feel faster than my current one! :cool:
065-3854 Power Mac G4 Dual 1.25GHz w/167MHz system bus
\t 065-3704 512MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM - 1 DIMM
\t 065-3136 120GB Ultra ATA drive
\t 065-3140 Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive
\t 065-3459 Optical 2 - Combo Drive (DVD/CD-RW)
\t 065-3778 ATI Radeon 9000 Pro dual-display w/64MB DDR
\t 065-3232 Ultra SCSI PCI card & cable adapter
\t 065-3138 56K internal modem
\t 065-3303 AirPort Card
\t 065-3222 Apple Pro Keyboard - U.S. English
\t 065-3126 Mac OS - U.S. English
\t 065-3125 Accessory kit
\tUnit Price: $3,475.00
I've been saving for the last 2 years waiting for the G5. 2 years is a long time and I can wait until Oct. Thank God I was able to convince my wife on this machine over an iMac .
I currently have a PowerBook G3 Series 266
4 GB HardDrive
320 MB RAM
14.1" Screen
DVD
Zip Drive
3.5 Floppy Drive
Firewire PC Card
USB PC card
WaveLAN PC card w/ Airport
This set up has been stylin' for the last 4 years and I still plan on using this as my mobile unit.
Comments
And how is Jaguar ? Do you feel a big improvement over 10.1.5 ? I mean, is it snappier ? How is the window resizing ?
And please, can you describe the front plate in details ? Make a comparison between the new front plate (texture, color, plastic) and the old QS front plate.
Thanks a lot in advance.
<strong>Like a microwave oven ? Is it really that bad ? To me, a microwave oven is really noisy ! Is this just an exaggeration, or a realistic description ?
And how is Jaguar ? Do you feel a big improvement over 10.1.5 ? I mean, is it snappier ? How is the window resizing ?
And please, can you describe the front plate in details ? Make a comparison between the new front plate (texture, color, plastic) and the old QS front plate.
Thanks a lot in advance.</strong><hr></blockquote>
My initial observations:
Unpacking: Apple packs their products better than any company I have ever seen. Alot of attention to detail...usb cable ends have really neat cover/cable clip. Just really nice....is was ashame I had to unpack it...like a perfectly wrapped present.
The front plate feels like plastic, but it appears to be metal and is very reflective....just like a mirror. The power on light has a really cool glow.....neat.
Ok....maybe not as loud as a microwave, but the sound is noticable. Its somewhat louder than my B&W...hard to quantify.
My old computer was a B&W g3 350, so its hard compare 10.1.5 and 10.2. Everything is very fluid. Window resizing in IE is now tolerable, but nowhere near as smooth as Windows 2000/XP. Application launch times are very quick, with the exception of iPhoto and iDvd. I love iPhoto, but man, what a pig. It even takes forever to quit.....I don't understand.
I haven't had a chance to test out the geForce Ti. I have Return to Castle Wolfenstein on order......that should provide a pretty good test. I still have the default 256mb of ram....I have 512 on order...should be here tomorrow.
I will spend most of tonight transfer files etc.....let me know if you have any more questions.
semper fi
867 and added SuperDrive and Radeon 9000. All that plus express shipping and tax for under $2000. I'll add a stick of 512MB RAM and in Dec I'll dump the system on ebay for about what I paid to prepare for what I hope is my new G5 system in Jan/Feb. Hopefully that machine will have true DDR RAM.
Once they got released I figured maybe I could find an older dual 800 at a better price. No such luck. All the stuff on eBay is going to crazy prices so today I took the plunge and picked up a stock dual 867.
I'll be pulling my DDR RAM from my PC and stuffing that in tomorrow and I'll pick up a SuperDrive soon to either replace or compliment teh combo drive.
I wasn't sure about the speed of this new unit compared to the old stuff (never used a dual CPU machine before) but once I saw how fast this baby launched 6 apps at the same time sold me BIG TIME.
I haven't unpacked it yet, I'll do that tomorrow. I've read the manual so far and in the store I was very impressed with the internal layout. Apple really outdid themselves this time.
The look? We'll I guess it will grow on me...
I will max my RAM out as soon as my G4 arrives, at a local reseller. Why?
Apple cost: ?1548
reseller cost: ?543,60
Apple stuff already costs too much here, I'm not going to give other money to Apple if I can get the same stuff cheaper elsewhere. Just to give you an idea of how much it costs here: I paid my Cinema HD Display more than $5,000; it costs $3,499 in the USA.
BTW, I will not put a second optical drive in the second drive bay.
<strong>To the guy with the $9,200 order: if you are really going to buy RAM from Apple, then you are either so rich you don't care for your money or stupid or something
Everything has to be on a single Purchase Order to get past Accounting...
<strong>Well, this is my first post from my new dual 1 GHz PowerMac G4 w/ 167 MHz. I guess that answers this thread's question.
Tell us ! Tell us ! Everything !
And if you have some photos from your new setup that will be VERY nice !
<strong>Tell us ! Tell us ! Everything !
And if you have some photos from your new setup that will be VERY nice !</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, here's a picture: <a href="http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/d2091e5322da0e/www.apple.com/powermac/images/indextop08122002.jpg"; target="_blank">http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/d2091e5322da0e/www.apple.com/powermac/images/indextop08122002.jpg</a>;
It is definitely very fast...
<strong>
It is definitely very fast...</strong><hr></blockquote>
What was your previous Mac if I may ask? Did you do some tests to see the difference in speed? I am thinking about replacing an original G4/500Mhz with the new DP 1Ghz.
[ 08-21-2002: Message edited by: Geert ]</p>
<strong>Programmer, what was your previous Mac if I may ask? Did you do some tests to see the difference in speed?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I second that
Factors in favor of the NEW machine:
1. faster bus
2. DDR memory
3. nifty mirror on the case front
4. more room for drive expansion
5. up to 2gb ram
6. better video card included
Factors in favor of the OLD machine:
1. cheaper by $300
2. includes 512mb ram instead of 256mb
3. I already have another 512mb of unused PC133 DIMMs, worth $100
4. more L3 cache
So... upgrading the NEW machine to 1gb ram would cost me $2500 + $300 = $2800. Upgrading the OLD machine to 1gb ram would be $2200. A $300 difference is one thing, but the $600 difference has me thinking of buying a quicksilver.
Go ahead and talk me out of it...
Oh, and in case it makes a difference, I'll be using the machine for the following activities, roughly in order of importance:
1. artwork and graphic design (Photoshop, InDesign, a little Quark)
2. digital audio recording, mixing/editing, and mastering (Spark, Digital Performer, Ableton Live)
3. Final Cut Pro and eventually DVD Studio Pro
Hmmm, I just thought of one other thing in favor of the new machine.... it comes with jaguar, which would save me $130. Decisions, decisions.
<strong>Wait a minute... if I buy a new Quicksilver, even if it doesn't come with Jaguar, I can get the $19.99 upgrade to Jaguar, right?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes...that is correct, assuming its a new purchase from an authorized Apple Dealer.
<strong>All new Quicksilvers will have Jaguar preinstalled on the hard drive whether you buy it from Apple, MacMall, or CompUSA.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm.... I think you have your terminology confused. The new "mirror plate" machines aren't Quicksilvers, and since the Quicksilvers in stores now were all manufactured weeks or months ago, why would they have Jaguar on them?
We appreciate your recent Apple Store order xxxxxxxxxx. Due to an unexpected supply delay, we are unable to ship your Z04S, POWER MAC G4 CTO (P58-133MHZ) by the date you were originally quoted. Our goal is to ship your order within the next 5 business days.
If you prefer, you may change or cancel your order and receive a prompt refund by calling us at 1-800-676-2775, extension xxxxx, 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. central time, Monday through Friday, or 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. central time, Saturday and Sunday. If we do not hear from you, we will continue processing your order. If you provided an email address when you placed your order, you will receive an email notification once your order has been shipped.
We appreciate your business and apologize for any inconvenience this delay has caused you. Thank you for shopping at the Apple Store!"
Looks like I'll be waiting at least another week till it ships...Then another week or more for ground shipping. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Apple sure likes to keep their customers on the edge of their seats!
-Dual 867
Dual 867
+Superdrive
-combo drive
-modem
$2999 CDN (you know that funny coloured Monoply money from up north).
+512 MB RAM from dealer.
This is one massive upgrade for me! This replaces my "trusty" PM 6500/250 with a 250 MHz Sonnet G3 upgrade overclocked to 325 MHz and 96 MB or RAM
I will finally be able to burn my Masters thesis and all related materials onto a single disk! <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Now if Apple would only fast track my order ahead of everyone else's (because I'm just such a nice guy). <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Torqued
P.S. I feel confident that this new machine will feel faster than my current one! :cool:
[ 08-21-2002: Message edited by: Torqued ]</p>
065-3854 Power Mac G4 Dual 1.25GHz w/167MHz system bus
\t 065-3704 512MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM - 1 DIMM
\t 065-3136 120GB Ultra ATA drive
\t 065-3140 Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive
\t 065-3459 Optical 2 - Combo Drive (DVD/CD-RW)
\t 065-3778 ATI Radeon 9000 Pro dual-display w/64MB DDR
\t 065-3232 Ultra SCSI PCI card & cable adapter
\t 065-3138 56K internal modem
\t 065-3303 AirPort Card
\t 065-3222 Apple Pro Keyboard - U.S. English
\t 065-3126 Mac OS - U.S. English
\t 065-3125 Accessory kit
\tUnit Price: $3,475.00
I've been saving for the last 2 years waiting for the G5. 2 years is a long time and I can wait until Oct. Thank God I was able to convince my wife on this machine over an iMac .
I currently have a PowerBook G3 Series 266
4 GB HardDrive
320 MB RAM
14.1" Screen
DVD
Zip Drive
3.5 Floppy Drive
Firewire PC Card
USB PC card
WaveLAN PC card w/ Airport
This set up has been stylin' for the last 4 years and I still plan on using this as my mobile unit.