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Soli said:

When is Cannonlake due? Seems like this year to use desktop-class RAM in a MBP in Kaby Lake when they can just avoid that with Cannonlake would be both the most reasonable as well as typical move for Apple. From my vantage point the cost to include it in Kaby Lake (or Skylake) given what I predict are very low sales volume means it's highly unlikely to happen.

Cannon Lake I believe is only 5.2 and 15 watt chips which I guess could be used for the MacBook. Expected Late 2017. Coffee Lake 15, 28 and 45 watt mobile processors expected early 2018. These will be 14nm. Cannon will be 10nm. Coffee Lake U and H series for mobile, S and X series desktop. Reports are saying Intel may offer a 6 core in H, S and X to counter AMD Summit Ridge 2017 chips which will be offered with 8 cores. 

Of course with Intel all of this can change. 

I thought it was nice that Apple is providing an adapter and not making the consumer buy one at this point. I don't think everyone is going to just simply move to BT headphones because in general corded headphones are still higher quality given their bigger drivers and high-impedance. After the presentation today this seems like a non issue, those that still want to use corded headphones can still do so at no extra cost.

I don't believe Apple is simply trying to move everyone to BT, in the end they are moving people from analog to digital which will provide higher quality audio. 

nhughes said:

bill42 said:

While strange, at least Best Buy has a price matching guarantee, so as long as people notice they won't have to pay the extra $100...

Price matching doesn't apply to iPhones. It's in the article.

Best Buy will price match an iPhone in most cases if an Apple Store is within 25 miles and the phone is in stock at the Apple Store. They also only charge 100.00 extra if you are paying full retail and not going with an installment plan because Best Buy in that case doesn't get a kickback for signing up a new customer or an upgrade. 

So there are some cases when they will price match however that doesn't help with a pre order. Only time I buy an iPhone from Best Buy is when I have a few gift cards and I want to rack up some Elite member points. 

sog35 said:

Bought 300 shares at $99. 

May drop even more but does not matter.

I'm holding these suckers for 10+ years.

Then you have already lost money. You never learn.

Good to see Apple is going to get rid of an universal port in favor of making most users buy yet again another dongle. Unlike getting rid of optical drives in Macs there is no real space saving benefits to getting rid of a 3.5mm jack. As far as making the thinnest phone ever that mean not only will it have to be thinner than the iPhone 6s it will also have to be thinner than the iPhone 6. This years model actually increased in thickness. 

shahhet2 said:

atlapple said:

Then you have already lost money. You never learn.

Wait for him to come back saying that I sold for $99 again and bought again at $96.

LOL. Followed by the Apple should go private rant.

sog35 said:

atlapple said:

Repeat after me, even more are not like you which is why they require more than email and office docs. 

Do you have any facts to back up that bold statement?

There are many industries and jobs that don't require heavy duty coding and graphic programs: Doctors, Nurses, Teachers, Police, Drivers, Accountants, ect.

Sure there are plenty of jobs that don't require heavy duty coding, however I fundamentally have a problem with Apple calling devices "Pro" models without any real changes to the software. While some may disagree iOS hasn't really changed much over the last few years, it still lacks even a decent or basic file system. Whats the point of having an iPad with specs as good as a Macbook yet can't take advantage of the same software? I have a 12.9 iPad Pro and I use it often but rarely for anything related to work. 

Even those that use Photoshop won't use an iPad Pro over a Mac because the software is nothing more than a dumbed down version. The days of Apple being able to get away with simply changing the size of something or making it thinner are over or haven't you noticed AAPL this week?

If Apple is going to tag something as a "Pro" model then IMHO it needs to be running OS X not iOS.

I know people are going to say "Apple will never run OS X on an iPad. Yeah Apple was also never going too make a bigger iPhone, the iPad was never going to be bigger than 9.7 in or smaller for that matter. There is nothing stopping Apple from running OS X on an iPad Pro. At least then people will truly have a laptop alternative. 

As someone that is an engineer I'm always looking for parity. If the hardware is getting faster and the hardware specs are getting better, if the software isn't maturing at the same rate then it's a waste.

Also you kind of proved my point. The industries you mentioned, there aren't any of them that have mass adoption of the iPad over traditional laptops. Any Police car I have seen always has a laptop in it, daughter is a Nurse and Wife has been in education for over 15 years, not an iPad to be found.  

sflocal said:

atlapple said:

Good to see Apple is going to get rid of an universal port in favor of making most users buy yet again another dongle. Unlike getting rid of optical drives in Macs there is no real space saving benefits to getting rid of a 3.5mm jack.

Let me guess, you probably whined about Apple ditching the CD-Rom, Floppy, Legacy Ports as well?  This is about moving forward and jettison technology that is beginning to show its age.

Is that knock on the door the 1990's wanting you to come back to them?

Let me guess you're just learning to read. I made it clear in both of my posts that getting rid of optical drives made sense because there was a clear benefit. Getting rid of a 3.5mm jack has no clear benefit when it comes to reducing size. If you're going to comment on my posts at lease read them. 

Soli said:

ireland said:

6 hours? These things are a few years away form mainstream. Also, having them separated like that might not be the most practical design. Myself I prefer wired headphones. Not having to ever charge is a huge deal to me. And is paying a few bucks as opposed to many hundreds.

BT headphones already account for over 15% of unit sales and over 50% of headphone revenue

BT headphones still present several problems. The first is they have to be charged and most do not want to think about charging their headphones. The next is overall sound quality. BT headphones are low-impedance, (under 50 ohm) in most cases. It's simple small drivers 6-8mm with low-impedance will never sound as good as larger 50mm drivers with high-impedance. Better headphones simply can't be pushed or driven wirelessly. Larger drivers can to some degree but they will have to be low-impedance. 

I also love how people use the word "legacy" about a port that is still be far the standard. Another factor is cost. Someone can buy a fairly nice pair of wired in-ear headphones for the same prices as a set of garbage skullcandy wireless headphones. BT has its place but I don't think in three years there is going much of a change in BT marketshare. People will simply use the adapter. 

Like I have said before this isn't the same as removing an optical drive where the advantages were clear. Making the iPhone thinner is useless as long as most people still have to put a case on it which negates 1-2mm reduction in phone thickness. 

Soli said:

atlapple said:

Soli said:

atlapple said:

Soli said:

ireland said:

6 hours? These things are a few years away form mainstream. Also, having them separated like that might not be the most practical design. Myself I prefer wired headphones. Not having to ever charge is a huge deal to me. And is paying a few bucks as opposed to many hundreds.

BT headphones already account for over 15% of unit sales and over 50% of headphone revenue

BT headphones still present several problems. The first is they have to be charged and most do not want to think about charging their headphones. The next is overall sound quality. BT headphones are low-impedance, (under 50 ohm) in most cases. It's simple small drivers 6-8mm with low-impedance will never sound as good as larger 50mm drivers with high-impedance. Better headphones simply can't be pushed or driven wirelessly. Larger drivers can to some degree but they will have to be low-impedance. 

I also love how people use the word "legacy" about a port that is still be far the standard. Another factor is cost. Someone can buy a fairly nice pair of wired in-ear headphones for the same prices as a set of garbage skullcandy wireless headphones. BT has its place but I don't think in three years there is going much of a change in BT marketshare. People will simply use the adapter. 

Like I have said before this isn't the same as removing an optical drive where the advantages were clear. Making the iPhone thinner is useless as long as most people still have to put a case on it which negates 1-2mm reduction in phone thickness. 

1) What problem does BT 5.0 have that would affect the user's ability to listen to music? What about 4.2?

2) How is legacy not the perfect word to describe the 3.5mm jack? Here's the definition: "denoting software or hardware that has been superseded but is difficult to replace because of its wide use."

3) What's wrong with using a simple adapter you keep connected to your headphones, or buying an adapter that lets you use your headphones in the car (which is silly) and also charge whilst charging, or use the Smart Connector to charge while still using the Lightning port for your headphones without buying any additional items?

4) With the ODD there was no included dongle that let you use your CD and DVDs. You had to buy an external, ODD drive for this to work. This was a much larger "shock" to people because many were still using this legacy method for reading and writing data and the only solution for them was to buy an external ODD if they wanting to keep all their optical media. With headphones, we're talking about 1 or 2 pairs, for nearly all users, an included adapter so they can still use their old headphones, and at a time when over 15% of headphones are already being sold as wireless and accounting for more than half the revenue. This is not a trend that will be ending.

5) Don't start making this solely about making the device thin. It's about making the device better. Without that very long and low-data port interface having to be inserted into every device and with a good selection of the top or bottom used for the port opening, Apple saves significant internal space for other components. if they could have don't his last year we could have gotten 3D Touch without the battery having to shrink my 10%.

4. We have yet to see how the device is actually going to be made better. Right now we have no clue if the trade off will be worth removing the 3.5mm jack. However it's safe bet because Apple is always trying to make their devices thinner that is at least part of the reason, water resistant could also be a reason which would be at least in my opinion worth the change. 

There's more than enough evidence to show how Lightning connecters headphones, a Smart Connector, and a Lightning to 3.5mm jack or Lighting to 3.5mm jack+Lightning pass-thru adapters will work with the rumoured iPhone 7 as all this technology has already been on the market for an extended amount of time. To claim it's impossible to know anything and to assume that it will be a market failure is simply an inability to see what should be obvious or a purposeful choice to ignore the facts.

At what point did I ever say this would be a market failure? You're greatly over exaggerating my comments on this subject. I have several BT headphones that I use all the time.  From Beats Studio, PowerBeats, Sol Republic Air Tracks , Vmoda Crossfade wireless and LG Tones for phone calls. I'm also on the yearly Apple iPhone trade program so I will be getting an iPhone 7 no matter what is offers or doesn't offer. 

Ignoring the facts is when people make assumptions that BT is going to be the standard in a few years simply because Apple is removing a 3.5mm jack and people won't even remember what it's like to use corded headphones. Ignoring the fact that hundreds of millions of people own good quality corded headphones and they simply aren't going to dump them because Apple wants them to move to BT. What is a fact is Apple often removes ports only to force users to carry around a dongle which is pathetic. 

 Apple has been able to get away with that shit because of the Apple cool factor, however as iPhone growth slows or at some point even stops simply trying to push the consumer in a direction is going to end. The iPhone SE has already proven that fact. 

Mac sales have declined because Apple doesn't feel the need to actually update their Mac products anymore, then puts out a Macbook that is underpowered, too small and only has one USB Type C port. Which of course requires a dongle if you actually want to connect anything to it. 

Macbook Pro 476 days since the last update. Macbook Air 547 days since the last update. Mac Mini 691 days since the last update. Mac Pro 992 days since the last update. Totally pathetic.