Rolanbek

Wow I leave you all alone for a day and the thread hits 461... 463...

Oh, I like this, but some of it I'll have to explain to others who wouldn't be familiar.

Well yeah, someone is exploring you red herring, of course you do. So briefly as I am aware of an upper character limit.:

1. Anyone can challenge. That includes me. Are you unaware of that?

If I am highlighting the point of course I am aware, and by running with the vagueness I highlighted you demonstrate my point. 

2. Doesn't have to be anyone in particular, but it can include me. Are you unaware of that?

If I am highlighting the point of course I am aware, and by running with the vagueness I highlighted you demonstrate my point. 

3. This is the one I need to explain to others.

This might be good...

You see, over on Reddit, people like to talk about me. They did it before I even joined Reddit. They did it after I joined. And they continue to do it after they banned me from their little subreddit (which happened immediately after I made my first two responses to posts ABOUT ME - because I was supposedly "off topic". Go figure.

In brief: You have more than one account on Reddit, you broke the Reddit TOS by evading a ban by creating sock puppet accounts at least 3 times that I know of, those accounts are subject to a permanent suspension from Reddit. This suspension is not a moderation action but an Admin action. 

People responded to your fluff on WTF on reddit because they where account banned, shadow banned, or post restricted by WT on WTF. To paraphrase your earlier point: Did you expect to go unchallenged? 

So, when I get posted about, I choose to respond (cause, meet effect). But I can't post publicly where they are talking about me.

Ironically that is why the Subreddit r/textblade was created, because people could not respond to thing that were being said about them on WTF, nor comment on things they disagreed with. You complain that you are banned because "yadda, yadda, 2 posts" but you were allowed opportunities to show that you could post in a normal and reasonable manner. You squandered those opportunities because you have not learnt to play nicely with others. 

If you remember I set up another sub, so that we could discuss your points keyboard to keyboard, as it were. My hope had been to see if you could maintain some posting discipline and if that were the case re-admit you to the textblade sub with a forum full of evidence showing you could and would behave. After a few months that new sub had become an example of every reason why your ban could not be lifted culminating in it's closure following a TOS violation. I take responsibility for closing it, and ending your chances of having your ban from r/textblade lifted, and ban which I did not place. The risk of further TOS violation was too great at that point and I had the personal safety of other users to consider. 

It's all good fun until DBK shows you how far he will go. But. that is the past, and my hope is that no one is truly irredeemable. Otherwise I would not waste my time in these pointless discussions with you. 

So instead I send a private message to the person who does it. Then, when it is Rolanbek, he used to send a private message back complaining that I'm sending him private messages,

Yes, I have repeatedly said that I find your constant PM's unwanted and harassing in nature, yet you still send them. I don't read them anymore, and haven't done for quite a while, they just get pinged away automatically. 

in spite of the fact that I've told him many times that if he doesn't talk about me publicly, I won't be responding privately.

To paraphrase your earlier point: Did you expect to go unchallenged? You could always post your responses on Macrumors.....Oh wait you're suspended from there  Well how about WTF? You have the floor somewhat at WTF, and you have the protection of WTF, so they are unlikely to ban your account unless you go completely off the rails. You can easily respond publicly there. In fact as the comment of yours that is being commented on is generally on WTF that seems a hugely appropriate place to respond. 

You have to admit, it takes a lot of gall to talk about someone in public (negatively) and then complain about a private response!

You have to admit that it take a lot of gall to send private messages to the moderator of a place you are banned from in part due to your public harassment of other users, (not me) for years after your ban. 

Oh, they can include whatever they want. 

This is not for you to decide

And I can choose to respond to it.

And you can choose to not respond to it.

It is only if they don't want something responded to, they shouldn't say it. Simple.

A statement which attempts to absolves you for your lack of control.  

And then it just gets kinda weird.

Not not really.  Waah, waah waaahhh use of emotive language;

Well, weirder. I wrote:

REEEEEEEE: argument by assertion 

> "Their choice to make". 
And your response?:

Yes, you have said unambiguously: "here is what you must do or face these specific consequences" 

ultimatum
/ʌltɪˈmeɪtəm/
noun
a final demand or statement of terms, the rejection of which will result in retaliation or a breakdown in relations.

Moving on:

What a non-surprise,

Waah, waah waaahhh use of emotive language;

 two people reacting to clear statement that people can choose how to post and they respond with comments about it being an ultimatum, censorship and, in this case, "control"

Ummm.. take the hint. 

I'm simply

Nope, every statement that follows this DBK phrase needs scrutiny. It's never "simply" anything. 

 pointing out that it is absurd to post something and then complain if someone responds to it.

Ok then tell that to WT, on WTF. "Hey WT you are being absurd" or is this one of those things that only applies to people you argue with? 

However Shame, shame, shame it's a strawman, I am saying that if you politely ask someone to stop PM'ing you, the model response should not be "I can't control myself, so you stop posting". 

They can still post it, but they don't get to set rules about whether people can respond to it.

Shame, shame, shame it's a strawman No one is trying to control whether you respond just where you respond. Some of us are asking you to think "should I respond" a little more. 

They can complain about it all they want. Won't matter though.

We know, because ultimatum. 

moving on: 

Maybe those people who post things and then complain that someone responds to what they wrote are the ones who need to control themselves. The idea that they say they have the right to say whatever they want, but then object when some uses the same right to respond is very strange. They can complain, but they’ll just look foolish. 

Nyan-Na the tu quoque fallacy, 

moving on:

Good description, but only if your post. 

This is an example of what we are talking about when we mention your lack of self awareness. Next are you going to tell me you're  rubber and i'm glue? 

moving on:

You are always free to point out examples so we can see how they hold up.

Normally pretty well when I do it. You see every time you flee from a discussion point, or fail respond only in part to a post (my response to the remainder of this post is that argument is between you and TBD)  You are leaving those points unchallenged. 

For example I asked you for evidence from this thread of you specifically defending me in this thread. Another day has passed and you simply flee from the argument. 

I could start keeping score like I used to on MacRumors, you know in case you forget the trail of abandoned positions, you used to love that. 

Where do you stand on WT lying about a financial transaction, it has been asked before. Especially after they admitted in this thread that they had not even checked whether what they accused someone of doing was even true before hurling that accusation out into the public? 

Moving on: I have nothing to say about post 451, it seems candid, wholesome, and contentious. 

Moving on: 453 is between you and TBD, I do have comments but little time or inclination to get into that one.

Moving on 

1. Like I said, companies rarely post on sites other than their own.

Shame, shame, shame it's a strawman. The concern stated that the started to post and then stopped not that the posted at all. You even offer an opinion relevant to Smurf's point by following up with:

They probably should have not posted here at all.

See.

Yet I ALSO said they should post more on their own forum.

It's true that this is the case I have seen you ask, but it is not relevant to Smurf's "cut and run" point. Many posters here cannot follow them back to WTF, and posting on WTF does nothing to clarify the position left here. 

for example there is still no response here as to whether the Textblades on the pallets seen  in the article and described as "finished" were in fact finished. I point this out in the wake of WT admitting that they had no idea what the feature list for the product was going to be 2015, when they said it was production ready, and had been selling Textblades for over a year before starting to ask users "what do you need this product to do". The finished or unfinished question is valid, because 'production ready' is not the same as needs a focus group to decide on final design and features. 

2. Except what I said was:

not interested in that bit at the moment. 

Moving on: 457 mostly you and TBD tipping and hitting, but 

1. Because when Treg started, we were told there were "hundreds".

We were told production ready in 2015. Is was told I would have a physical product in my hands in Mar 2015. Considering that often what we are told by WT does not always bear up to scrutiny, this bears scrutiny. Carry on. 

Moving on: Actually I'm going to stop there as the posting is degenerating to the point of that I wonder how long this thread has got. 

So, see you all tomorrow, if the thread is still open that is. 

R

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arkorott said:

@WayTools_Support: I repeat the request. Can you outline in broad strokes with potential "estimated" dates for completion of the new firmware and the rest of the hurdles to be overcome until GR ? That would convey a general sense of project status for everybody. 

Seconded. 

R

TextBladeDenied said:

Interesting read.

Obviously someone violated the bit about non-disclosure of the TREG agreement. Hopefully that same person can share additional information about the 'top gift'. Was the NDA posted on Reddit originally, or leaked elsewhere? Is there any way to communicate with the leaker?

I disagree with your closing remark. Context matters. Circumstance matters. Motive matters. At some point, the gloves must come off. Mark Knighton is lying to people blatantly and remorselessly. The 'where's Waldo' game he is playing on the heels of 3 rapid successive missed deadlines is evidence of his criminal mindset. 

It's time to start shutting Mark Knighton down.

As an aside, the TREG NDA was disclosed by WT. Well I say disclosed, they left it in the IOS app in a spot they thought was not accessible. Turns out it was. 

There are friendlies on the other side of the fence, and I do my best not to pass any information I have that might identify them. That information is limited to bits and pieces and occasionally a cryptic pointer. Mostly. Separately and I point this out so as not to start a witchhunt on WTF (again) there are some very decent TREG members who post answers to public questions, like the chaps who pop in here and back at the sub. I know that this thread is being followed by many more than are posting in it, as is the sub, so your message may have already got through to someone. I would be remiss if did not point out that obviously this post is being written by a stranger on the internet and that a degree of caution is sensible. 

Context etc does, as you say matter, but not as far as contract law. What is in the contract is in the contract. 

Sadly as California consumer law is as my learned friend once put it to me "an effing joke" (except he did not say effing), there is little recourse for you as an individual. Once you have your money back, you are basically where you started. Investigatory bodies will only pick up the phone if it's tens of millions of dollars at stake. 

I get the feeling that how Mark lives his life has led to the situation he finds himself in now. Which is with a product at risk of being taken away from him and another who' s zombie development process has stalled his IP between two stools. His personal sunk costs are simultaneously colossal and not enough. I would prefer any comeuppance as far as Mark was concerned to happen after my order is fulfilled as opposed to before. but that is just the self interest talking I think. 

I would council against basing an action on the apparent motives of a third party. While their motives appear self evident to you, without evidence it's just an interpretation. The other thing I would like to mention is just because I operate within the "realpolitik" of the situation doesn't mean I am not disgusted with some of the things that have happened, and that while the entertainment value has been great, I only wanted a little keyboard. 

R

That was what I suspected. Thanks for adding to my confirmation bias. :toooldtonotfeelweirdwhenusinganemojiemoji

I was thinking to myself what do I say when asked to assess my achievements, only to realise that I don't think anyone has ever asked outside of a job interview. We all know that interviews exist in a parallel dimension where up is down and veracity has stepped out for a bit of a breather. 

I think on balance that I would describe my achievements as "achieved" and my goals as "yet to be achieved." You can see why I never took a job in marketing or advertising can't you? 

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Still no word on whether there will be any word on whether there will be any word on the update about the next technical update. 

And after a sentence like that I might have to go and have a little sit down with a coffee to recover.

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With the new 'tailed' mode on the textblade, I wonder whether the device when plugged in for a spell will run hot or not? I have had a few pocket sized devices that fresh from a bout of fast charging were too warn to stick in one's trouser pocket. 

Maybe WT will have to affix cooling fins... 

Just as long as it's not one of those ridiculous moustache magnets. 

R

dabigkahuna said:
1. That's strange

I'm going to hazard that whatever follows this isn't at all strange.

since in multiple posts I have agreed or at least said a number of the negative comments were reasonable. 

Why would you agreeing with someone be at all strange? 

Pretty sure agreeing with some of the criticisms is no the same thing as "disrupting" them.

You may be 'pretty sure' but that only vouches for you conduct with 'some of the criticisms.' It ignores 'most' criticisms completely. I have not indicated at any point that I required you defend your actions. In a 400 plus comment thread you have commented over 100 times I think we can easily judge what level of thread disruption exists, and how much of it is criticism of and questions put to WayTools and how much verbiage exists from someone who admits he does not have the answers to a portion of those, and even states  they agree with some of those criticisms and wishes to have answers to some of those questions. 

I am pretty certain you are not my enemy, but you are being used. As long as you continue to fight WT battles for them, they will not feel the need to respond. 

2. It is my fight.

Maybe if you were a shareholder or employee of WayTools or NextEngine. We went over that a long time ago, you aren't. This is a fight you have chosen to be in. It isn't your fight.

 It is, in my opinion, everyone's fight, but most choose to abandon the field those who are not reasonable in their comments.

You are entitled to your opinion. I would posit that WayTools have been unreasonable in many of their public interactions. Levelling accusations over and over again, rather than responding to reasonable questions. WayTools have abandoned the field, in your terms, after themselves being unreasonable and being pulled up on it, citing a global conspiracy guided by a shadow cabal of Illuminati. (look I know you have trouble with this stuff, so I am flagging this as hyperbole for comedic effect. sigh, nothing kills a gag like having to a explain it, but here we are.)  

Leaving you here, on your own just like they left MR. In fact they stayed here longer, but they still left. 

As a member of society, I have this tiny little bit of influence - same as other members. So I choose to stand against outrageous attacks

Not against me you didn't. They posted all kinds of stuff about me, where were you during their outrageous attacks? You were right here ignoring it. No stand. No defending the victim. No, not a dickie bird about a multi-million dollar company attacking a customer posting from his front room, because he had the temerity to ask a journalist how they knew the boxes on the pallet were finished. I asked for a clarification, on a point that was reasonable, about a claim made. I did not ask for the liver of their first born or for them to drink a pint of cold sick, it was a question which incidentally has not been answered. 

Oh I think you need to have a think about you priorities pal, and ask yourself whether this guy:

. Stood by for 2 years hoping that by ignoring such things and being nice, I could have positive, useful discussions. After 2 years I realized it didn't matter so for decades since then, I'm nice right up to the point where the person whose posts I'm reading are not.

Would be proud of the guy who stood by while a multi-millionaire. who has been in court with his investors for what seems like a decade over unpaid promissory notes, and his minions repeatedly and demonstrably slandered someone, so they didn't have to post a product update. A product update. A $£%$ing product update. 

You are better than that. You certainly are better than that on your best days, that I have seen anyway.

R

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