avon b7

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

spock1234 said:

avon b7 said: As for violating a contract clause, that doesn't mean much. The presence of a clause doesn't make it legal. A clause itself can be challenged in court. 

Obviously, you are not a lawyer or a Judge. Violating a contract is everything! Challenging a clause in court is different than violating it blatantly, and then launching a pre-planned marketing blitz about it. That's the very definition of 'acting in bad faith'. Courts don't look too kindly on that. 

You mean like what Apple did with Qualcomm on patents? 

Signing a contract, violating the terms by refusing to pay and then making a very public fuss about why it was violating the contract. 

Oh dear.

Comparing two completely different cases, one of contract law, and other of intellectual property, isn't the snappy retort that you believe it is, but by all means continue your undying support of Epic.

Sorry, the basis of this is trust. 

Apple signed contracts with Qualcomm, did the resulting business (I believe for years, although I could be wrong here) and then stopped paying, told other Qualcomm customers to hold back payments too and then started a court spat spanning many jurisdictions. 

In other news and related to this, the EU has asked Apple to explain itself formerly as this action could be in breach of EU. 

Obviously things aren't proving to be as clear cut as some here believe. 

spock1234 said:

avon b7 said: As for violating a contract clause, that doesn't mean much. The presence of a clause doesn't make it legal. A clause itself can be challenged in court. 

Obviously, you are not a lawyer or a Judge. Violating a contract is everything! Challenging a clause in court is different than violating it blatantly, and then launching a pre-planned marketing blitz about it. That's the very definition of 'acting in bad faith'. Courts don't look too kindly on that. 

You mean like what Apple did with Qualcomm on patents? 

Signing a contract, violating the terms by refusing to pay and then making a very public fuss about why it was violating the contract. 

9secondkox2 said:

avon b7 said:

This doesn't look good for Apple on the face of it.

Apple has the last word on 'trust'?

I can't see that going down well in the EU. 

I suppose Epic will accuse Apple of discrimination. 

We'll see. 

Previous judgements disagree with you. Apple indeed has “sole discretion.” 

It’s not like epic didn’t breach the contract. End of.

epic going on to criticize apple is a smokescreen. Being critical doesn’t award you what you lost due to illegal activity. 

Epic violated their contract and paid the price. Inciting a mob doesn’t change that. Epic can be mad, but only at themselves. Shameful really. 

Goodbye epic. Good luck on your own.  

We'll see. 

If Epic brought the same case to an EU court there is no guarantee it would see the same result. 

As for violating a contract clause, that doesn't mean much. The presence of a clause doesn't make it legal. A clause itself can be challenged in court.

Like I said, we'll see.

I suppose Epic will try to challenge the move. 

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

This doesn't look good for Apple on the face of it.

Apple has the last word on 'trust'?

I can't see that going down well in the EU. 

I suppose Epic will accuse Apple of discrimination. 

We'll see. 

Does Epic has any "trust" left at all? Maybe the EU can guarantee to Apple that Apple will be fully supported by the EU, if Epic "breaks that trust".

Oh, never mind.

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-got-a-signed-commitment-in-1994-to-ensure-its-security-but-can-the-us-and-allies-stop-putins-aggression-now-173481

Just words on a piece of paper, or worse, words in a cloud.

The amount of trust is irrelevant. The question is if Apple has the last word here because Epic could well try to throw a discrimination card into the soup.

Is this, for example, the same as the right of admission to a bar? 

This doesn't look good for Apple on the face of it.

Apple has the last word on 'trust'?

I can't see that going down well in the EU. 

I suppose Epic will accuse Apple of discrimination. 

We'll see.