danox

nubus said:

shrave10 said:

Apple has very little market share in both smartphones and notebooks in India.  How can they be anticompetitive?  Androids and PC's can reach the end user easily and are the vast majority in their respective categories. 

This isn't about Apple being anti-competitive in India. And the calculation by the professor is terrible. People ordered food way before any smartphone. Apple didn't create catering or transportation. Both industries moved from orders on phone, web, and now apps. People answering calls lost their jobs while developers got hired. Did that really create jobs?

The real problem to Apple is India looking at regulation from outside and India being good at regulations. India followed EU on USB-C. Imagine if India would allow another App Store to give Indian developers a bigger cut. Other countries would then say "we should do as India". This is the same as when Big Tobacco tried to avoid legislation. It should change how we look at Apple.

Monkey see monkey do. India sees other countries jumping on the money/grafting bandwagon and thinks why shouldn’t they? The EU and the Justice Department often do a disservice to their native companies, especially when they don’t clearly think through the problems they’re trying to solve using antitrust laws, to over come some market shortages in infrastructure, some perceived competitive disadvantages or just simply to add on some type of new tax or fine. Bureaucrats around the world seem to have one thing in common: tunnel vision.

mikethemartian said:

anonymouse said:

So, did Bezos finally grow a pair or will he step in and scuttle this plan? If he's grown a pair, maybe he'll decide it's time to restore WAPO to being an actually newspaper. If not, he should sell it.

It's funny and disgusting at the same time that the "White House" considers it a "hostile and political" act to tell the American public the truth about Trump's tariffs.

Bezos will cave.

mikethemartian said:

That million dollars was just a token. To get exemptions Cook had to offer Trump more than that.

danvm said:

danox said:

danvm said:

programmer said:

danvm said:

And I have work with some of those workstations, and the performance is not as pathetic as you mention.  Some of them have advantages over Apple Silicon, specially when comparing the GPU. 

You say "workstations" whereas what you quoted said "laptops".  Big difference.  Apple Silicon's performance really shines in power-constrained situations.  If you can run plugged into the wall and with big heat sinks, then the Intel/AMD CPUs and the nVidia/AMD GPUs can burn copious power to deliver serious performance.  They're still inefficient in terms of compute per watt, but you don't notice as watts are cheap in such a situation.

It would be interesting to see a large scale data centre built from ARM-based machines and compared to ones build from Intel/AMD-based machines, and compare the operating costs.  Some of the big cloud vendors offer lower cost ARM-based hosts just for this reason -- they greatly reduce energy and cooling costs in the data centre.  Not Apple's focus though, so we aren't likely to see Apple Silicon based data centres (except perhaps for Apple's own, but they are typically very secretive about that).

There is a group of laptops that are considered workstations (Dell Precision, HP Z mobile workstation, Lenovo ThinkPad P-series). The quality of componentes, warranty / service and specs are different from a notebook that you buy in a consumer retailer.  Also, they are certified for ISV's like Autodesk, Bentley Software, Siemens and others. That's the reason I used the term workstation and not laptops. 

I also know the benefits of Apple Intelligence and ARM in general, especially with power efficiency.  But there are cases where some specialized applications use CUDA / Optix, and you are required to use Nvidia adapters.  In datacenters is very difference, and even more with AI.  There are even rumors of Apple dealing with Nvidia for their datacenters.

Unlikely report claims Apple is buying 250 Nvidia servers for AI

Large cloud providers also have their own AI processors (Amazon Trainium2, Azure Maia and Google Axion).  Maybe these processors have advantages over ARM and Apple Silicon for AI tasks.  My point is that ARM and Apple Silicon is not the magic CPU that will solve all problems.  It has many advantages over Intel and AMD in some tasks.  But Intel, AMD and Nvidia have some advantages over ARM / Apple too. 

At the end, It's good to have competition working for us.  

The competition from Intel, AMD, and Nvidia is commendable in theory, but Apple boasts several in-house operating systems (ecosystems) that make direct competition with them impractical. I don’t believe any of these companies will be working for Apple again. Two out of the three had their chance, and like Samsung’s (chip division), they only caused trouble for Apple.

Apple Silicon isn’t magical, but the absence of an in-house OS prevents these companies from optimizing their hardware to an operating system, putting them behind Apple. This is also why Microsoft is frantically flailing around with Qualcomm, attempting to revive its failing and unprofitable Surface computer line.

You have to consider that Apple ecosystem may have some benefits.  But at the same time, it doesn't means it's the best experience for every case.  For example, gaming is far better with Nvidia, AMD and Intel than with Apple, even with all the advantages their ecosystem have.  The same can be said in the enterprise, where Microsoft have a big advantage, a no other company comes close. 

And you when you talk about the Surface line, you have to think that Apple is not the only one competing with them.  HP, Dell and Lenovo outsell Microsoft (and even Apple) by a large margin. And these are the top three among many others. With Windows, customers have choices, not that much with Apple.  That's the reason I think you cannot make a 1:1 comparison of sales numbers between Apple vs Microsoft.  

BTW, from I have seen, the Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite looks very competitive, even with Apple.  And there are rumors that Nvidia have something to announce soon.