danox

blastdoor said:

The long-term goal was for Apple to design its own chips

I’m doubtful this was true. I think that in 2006, Jobs had no plan for silicon independence and would have regarded that idea as fanciful. Intel was such a dominant force at that time — it was inconceivable that anyone could beat them.

The M series chips we have today would not exist without a decade of blunders by senior executives at Intel. 

blastdoor said:

danox said:

blastdoor said:

danox said:

blastdoor said:

Corporations are dictatorships run by all powerful CEOs held loosely in check by a board. China is kind of like that, too. So I imagine it’s more comfortable, in some ways, for corporations to deal with the Chinese government than it is for them to deal with a democratic government like the EU. Maybe that explains why Apple quickly, and without the slightest complaint, does whatever Xi tells them to do, but goes kicking and screaming when it’s the EU.

Not that I agree with the EU on most things— I don’t. But I do recognize the democratic legitimacy of the EU, which in the long run means the EU is far better than china.

Guess what hot shot Apple anywhere in the world is going to comply (eventually) to what the local laws say if they want sell or make anything in that country. all governments around world don't want real encryption all want to censor the populace, and like most corporations and people in general don't anyone speaking out on certain topics that bring discomfort, where have you been under a rock?

The EU has the same goals help themselves within their sphere of influence.

I don’t think the EU — or most other democratically elected governments — have the same goals as the current leaders of China. That’s a huge false equivalence. 

Your pal,

Hot Shot 

They most certainly do right now the EU gets a free pass because of shared history but that honeymoon won't last....

Even on the relatively small issue of regulating tech companies, there are huge differences in motivation and methods. Chinese leadership is focused on squashing dissent and protecting the regime, and there is no appeals process or transparency to their regulations and actions. The EU is focused on the best interests of their citizens, the rules are written down, and there’s an appeals process. And most importantly of all, if EU citizens don’t like what their representatives have done, they can vote them out. 

When you switch to issues of war and peace the contrast is even starker

VictorMortimer said:

If they don't open iDevices up for normal software installation worldwide they need to be fined billions anyway.

blastdoor said:

danox said:

blastdoor said:

Corporations are dictatorships run by all powerful CEOs held loosely in check by a board. China is kind of like that, too. So I imagine it’s more comfortable, in some ways, for corporations to deal with the Chinese government than it is for them to deal with a democratic government like the EU. Maybe that explains why Apple quickly, and without the slightest complaint, does whatever Xi tells them to do, but goes kicking and screaming when it’s the EU.

Not that I agree with the EU on most things— I don’t. But I do recognize the democratic legitimacy of the EU, which in the long run means the EU is far better than china.

Guess what hot shot Apple anywhere in the world is going to comply (eventually) to what the local laws say if they want sell or make anything in that country. all governments around world don't want real encryption all want to censor the populace, and like most corporations and people in general don't anyone speaking out on certain topics that bring discomfort, where have you been under a rock?

The EU has the same goals help themselves within their sphere of influence.

I don’t think the EU — or most other democratically elected governments — have the same goals as the current leaders of China. That’s a huge false equivalence. 

Your pal,

Hot Shot