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gatorguy said:

bb-15 said:

gatorguy said:

claire1 said:

gatorguy said:

SpamSandwich said:

gatorguy said:

claire1 said:

Can we get Google's numbers from the region please?? *Holding in laughter*

Google's Sergey Brin chose to stand on principle and took the company out of China more than a decade ago. Now with Sundar Pichai in charge as CEO there's been some rumors that Google is slowly sliding back in. We'll see if it actually happens, and personally I'd prefer it did not. 

Why? You go to play in China's playground, you play by their rules. Google will become the biggest source of state spying in Chinese history.

Right now the 'biggest source of state spying" as far as big Western techs that would be the Chinese iCloud service, formally owned and controlled by Apple but no longer, correct? 

But I agree on the why. Google took the right stand (IMO) a decade ago and decided the ultimate loss of tens of $B's in revenue was less important than moral principal. I totally get that the world is a different place 12 years on, and Google leaving didn't bring a sea-change to the Chinese governments efforts to control of its citizenry. Still sad to think that money is so terribly important than principals can be tossed aside for more of it. When Western techs roll over chasing Chinese profits it seems like this old exchange:

Lord Beaverbrook of England is talking with a visiting American actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger (quite politely put as other sources said "sleep") if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if he paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”

Right Google has morals like selling user data for profit.

And I thought you knew a lot about the tech world. Was I mistaken? Seems like it going by that statement.

I know plenty about the tech world. I don’t regularly use Google products (except for YouTube since there is no effective alternative).
Why? 

* First Google collects a lot of personal data (which is for the company’s use).

”The Journal says that, just like Facebook, Google is also profiling everyone using its services — or the web — and Google’s database contains a lot more information on both users and non-users. Even if you opt out of ad targeting, Google still collects data about you.”

https://bgr.com/2018/04/23/google-vs-facebook-collects-user-data/

* Second, using that personal data, Google sells advertising to companies which can target ads to users.

“Google generates revenue primarily by selling online advertising over its sites and its network member sites.”

https://revenuesandprofits.com/how-google-makes-money/

Hey you're getting it. You are absolutely right, Google doesn't sell data. They sell advertising placement, so so you knew better.

It's a shame we had to do the What About Google Shuffle in this thread though.

gatorguy said:

claire1 said:

gatorguy said:

SpamSandwich said:

gatorguy said:

claire1 said:

Can we get Google's numbers from the region please?? *Holding in laughter*

Google's Sergey Brin chose to stand on principle and took the company out of China more than a decade ago. Now with Sundar Pichai in charge as CEO there's been some rumors that Google is slowly sliding back in. We'll see if it actually happens, and personally I'd prefer it did not. 

Why? You go to play in China's playground, you play by their rules. Google will become the biggest source of state spying in Chinese history.

Right now the 'biggest source of state spying" as far as big Western techs that would be the Chinese iCloud service, formally owned and controlled by Apple but no longer, correct? 

But I agree on the why. Google took the right stand (IMO) a decade ago and decided the ultimate loss of tens of $B's in revenue was less important than moral principal. I totally get that the world is a different place 12 years on, and Google leaving didn't bring a sea-change to the Chinese governments efforts to control of its citizenry. Still sad to think that money is so terribly important than principals can be tossed aside for more of it. When Western techs roll over chasing Chinese profits it seems like this old exchange:

Lord Beaverbrook of England is talking with a visiting American actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger (quite politely put as other sources said "sleep") if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if he paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”

Right Google has morals like selling user data for profit.

And I thought you knew a lot about the tech world. Was I mistaken? Seems like it going by that statement.

https://bgr.com/2018/04/23/google-vs-facebook-collects-user-data/

https://revenuesandprofits.com/how-google-makes-money/

bloggerblog said:

Apple has been screwing up royally lately; versa mount, dongles, keyboard, TouchBar, and now performance. The performance issue is, in my opinion, just another reason why they need their own processors. Performance per watt, is key.

Bringing up the VESA mount (probably for the iMac Pro) at the top of a list criticizing Apple as a whole is immediately suspect as just spouting anti Apple bias. - My guess is that someone saw a YouTube video about the VESA iMac Pro mount and concluded that all of Apple should be condemned beginning with a very niche product.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MR3C2ZM/A/vesa-mount-adapter-kit-for-imac-pro-space-gray

- To me “screwing up royally” would refer to a common problem with a major product like the Pixel 2 XL having screen burn in issues. (Of course Google isn't going to be trashed by the majority of techies since Android has dominant marketshare.)

https://9to5google.com/2017/10/22/google-pixel-2-xl-burn-in/

But my bringing up a few user reports would still be anecdotal evidence (the experience of a few people in a total customer base of hundreds of millions). * To look at Apple’s performance as a whole against the competition (the only fair way imo), it is better to look at surveys. 

- Apple has some of the highest rated smartphones. 

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/jd-power-2017-full-service-smartphone-satisfaction-study

- Apple has some of the highest rated laptops/desktops. 

http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147&catid=&Itemid=212&i=Personal+Computers

** I’m not denying that customers can have problems with Apple products. It is a fact that repair services have existed since the beginning of personal tech.  - What I am saying is that overall Apple has not been screwing up royally. 

dws-2 said:

The MacBook Pro enclosure is a perfect example of skating where the puck is supposed to be, but then having the other player (Intel) making a bad pass. By all expectations, Intel should have been down to a smaller process by now, which would have made the MacBook Pro enclosure sufficient. What makes this more annoying is that Apple did the same thing with the trash can Mac Pro and the GPU cooling.