bb-15

One reason I buy Apple products is because the worker's conditions which produce Apple products are, over many years, the most scrutinized for any major player in the tech industry.
- I'm well aware of poor worker conditions in the US (such as in agriculture).

https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/11/17/child-farmworkers-united-states-worst-form-child-labor

I keep also track of job exploitation in some other countries.
So, I choose to do business with the major tech company which has the most oversight in this area.  

* The reality is that most customers in developed countries of sophisticated tech don't care about the conditions for workers who produced that tech, such as that $200 Android phone. 
For instance this story about Samsung didn't get much buzz.

https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/south-korea-samsung-workers-fight-justice-after-suicide

- But there is a huge longterm media/audience interest in finding fault with Apple and even predicting its doom. And the benefit for me with the Apple flaw hunt is that because I do care about worker conditions, I buy Apple products.  

 

Soli said:

bb-15 said:

gatorguy said:

dewme said:

StrangeDays said:

i’d like to know how long it was from the time it was initially configured to her face. 

Yes, and I'd also like to see whether the phone was trained to accept the son's face ahead of time. Not trying to defend or refute the claim that the video implies, but I'd like to see the experiment repeated starting at the very first initialization/training steps and proceeding to the son attempting to unlock the phone with the phone never having seen his face before. It's insufficient to reach a conclusion in this case without having any semblance of it being a controlled experiment. 

All you had to do was read the source article. The phone was reset multiple times to test Face ID initializing and use under different conditions, and where it was assured the phone could not have "seen" her son during the setup. 
https://www.wired.com/story/10-year-old-face-id-unlocks-mothers-iphone-x/

Thanks for the link to the original article which said;

"At WIRED's suggestion, Malik asked his wife to re-register her face to see what would happen. After Sherwani freshly programmed her face into the phone, it no longer allowed Ammar access. To further test it, Sherwani tried registering her face again a few hours later, to replicate the indoor, nighttime lighting conditions in which she first set up her iPhone X. The problem returned;"

It seems that with what would be considered "poor lighting" that Face ID will not have a clear image of the user's face so that it can be spoofed by a close relative. 
* What to do imo?
- As mentioned by Wired; check out if close relatives can unlock the iPhone X. If they can, try re-registering the owner's face in clear lighting conditions. 
- If not successful, and worried about a relative, turn off Face ID and use a password. 
- If a password is too inconvenient, consider trading the iPhone X in during the return period for an iPhone 8/8+. 
- If all of this is too much of a hassle or is too scary, skip the iPhone X and get the iPhone 8/8+.

I'm surprised that is an issue since it projects IR and captures IR. Why are external visible light sources even needed?

I understand the logic of your argument but information about Face ID indicates that certain light sources interfere with the iPhone X sensors (which have some levels of IR?).
Before this article, it was known that bright lighting from above (such as from the sun) could degrade Face ID performance. 
- What this latest article indicates imo is that when a face is registered, the quality of the lighting affects the performance of Face ID. 
Wired reported that when the mom registered her face in clear, bright light, it allowed for only her to be able to unlock her iPhone X. 
But it seems the owner registering in low evening light, can degrade the performance of Face ID. 

gatorguy said:

dewme said:

StrangeDays said:

i’d like to know how long it was from the time it was initially configured to her face. 

Yes, and I'd also like to see whether the phone was trained to accept the son's face ahead of time. Not trying to defend or refute the claim that the video implies, but I'd like to see the experiment repeated starting at the very first initialization/training steps and proceeding to the son attempting to unlock the phone with the phone never having seen his face before. It's insufficient to reach a conclusion in this case without having any semblance of it being a controlled experiment. 

All you had to do was read the source article. The phone was reset multiple times to test Face ID initializing and use under different conditions, and where it was assured the phone could not have "seen" her son during the setup. 
https://www.wired.com/story/10-year-old-face-id-unlocks-mothers-iphone-x/

Thanks for the link to the original article which said;

"At WIRED's suggestion, Malik asked his wife to re-register her face to see what would happen. After Sherwani freshly programmed her face into the phone, it no longer allowed Ammar access. To further test it, Sherwani tried registering her face again a few hours later, to replicate the indoor, nighttime lighting conditions in which she first set up her iPhone X. The problem returned;"

It seems that with what would be considered "poor lighting" that Face ID will not have a clear image of the user's face so that it can be spoofed by a close relative. 
* What to do imo?
- As mentioned by Wired; check out if close relatives can unlock the iPhone X. If they can, try re-registering the owner's face in clear lighting conditions. 
- If not successful, and worried about a relative, turn off Face ID and use a password. 
- If a password is too inconvenient, consider trading the iPhone X in during the return period for an iPhone 8/8+. 
- If all of this is too much of a hassle or is too scary, skip the iPhone X and get the iPhone 8/8+.

Because of this article, I downloaded the Cardiogram app on my iPhone and have it running on my Apple Watch Series 2.
Thanks. 

Cato1004 said:

@bb-15, thank you for your balanced response. If you look at my comments, I generally stick with Samsung. The Note 8 or S8 would have all the advantages I mentioned, with the Note 8 being the better option if you don't mind the larger size. Regarding older iPhones, the iPhone 8 has a swelling battery issue and the others have inferior features (minus the headphone jack). I personally don't consider those to be legitimate alternatives as flagships though they are more reasonably priced. There's a reason I don't cite removable battery as an advantage, because only the older Samsung phones have it. Try again but replace Android phones with the Note 8 and you will find my arguments are not "demolished". My comment regarding iSheep was directed at iSheep. In hindsight, I do now regret having said that and I'm sorry for name calling. I did not say who does or does not fall into that category but I shouldn't have said that anyway. As mentioned before, if the iPhone X works for you, that's great for you!

- "I personally don't consider those to be legitimate alternatives as flagships though they are more reasonably priced."
That's a problem.
Except for the SE, all other iPhones being sold today are flagship phones.
- They are fast, they have 3D Touch, Touch ID (leaving out the iPhone X for right now which has FaceID) and they can have the latest OS software because the update system in iOS is much better than in the Android world (except it's a little better with the Pixel but those have inferior hardware compared with latest iPhones).
- The iPhone 8 and 8 Plus are certainly flagship phones.

- "Regarding older iPhones, the iPhone 8 has a swelling battery issue and the others have inferior features..."
Fact; The Galaxy S7 (including the Edge) had widespread battery swelling issues.
Does that mean that the Galaxy S7/Edge was not a flagship phone? Of course not.
- The iPhone 8 / 8 Plus are flagship phones.

- "I generally stick with Samsung. The Note 8 or S8 would have all the advantages..."
The Note 8 or S8 do not have all the advantages.
- The Note 8 / S8 have glass backs and are about as breakable as the new iPhones. Check out the PhoneBuff YouTube channel. PhoneBuff are pretty much the only ones who have systematic drop tests.
- The iPhone 8 Plus matches up very well with the Note 8 or S8 in terms of battery life, working in the cold, and not having the green line.
- In terms of the home/fingerprint button, I think the iPhone 8 Plus is better than the Note 8 or S8.
- And cost? I shopped for a Note 8 at Best Buy; $950. The iPhone 8 Plus is cheaper.

* Notice that on the day of the release of the iPhone X, 11/3/17, Apple sold 46.7 million iPhones in the previous quarter.
Of the mix of products, the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus were the two most popular iPhone models and some analysts stated that the iPhone 8 Plus was Apple's biggest seller in the quarter.
- Notice that some people in this thread are still choosing the iPhone 8 Plus over the iPhone X.
The iPhone 8 Plus measures up very well to the Samsung & Pixel 2 lineup.