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22july2013 said:

danvm said:

leavingthebigg said:

aderutter said:

The sooner Amazon and Microsoft bring their streaming game services to iOS devices via PWA the sooner everyone will see that Apple does not prevent people running software on iOS devices that hasn’t been vetted by Apple, isn’t in the app-store and Apple receives zero income from. 

The truth about Microsoft is it wants the free-ride on the App Store not the Web. And, Microsoft is doing much to try breaking its way into the App Store and on iPhone for free. 

From what I know, MS wouldn't have any issues paying Apple for being in the App Store,

Actually, Microsoft's president Brad Smith stated on July 20, 2020 that the 30% rate was way too high and Apple should be found guilty of being a monopoly:

"[Apple] impose[s] requirements that increasingly say there is only one way to get on to our platform and that is to go through the gate that we ourselves have created. In some cases they create a very high price per toll - in some cases 30% of your revenue has to go to the toll keeper. The time has come - whether we are talking about D.C. or Brussels - for a much more focused conversation about the nature of app stores, the rules that are being put in place, the prices and the tolls that are being extracted and whether there is really a justification in antitrust law for everything that has been created [by Apple]."

Yes, MS may find in some cases that the 30% is too high, and based in their actions, very different from Epic, they were ready pay the Apple fee for GamePass and Xbox Cloud Gaming.  BTW, did you see that he said that it's in some cases?  Maybe he is right that there are cases where the 30% is too high.  

The statement is nonsensical. Apple's requirements do not "increasingly say" they have "steadfastly said from the beginning." In the above quote Microsoft's president is calling on the US and EU to use anti-trust laws to "destroy everything Apple has created." Microsoft's position is more hypocritical than Epic's, for reasons that should be so obvious I won't mention them here.

I don't think MS being hypocrite as you said.  Neither I think MS wants to "destroy everything Apple has created", considering they were ready to pay Apple fees for GamePass / Xbox Cloud Gaming and still developing excellent apps for the App Store.  BTW, the I didn't find the "destroy everything that Apple has created" line in the Brad Smith interview.  Where did you get that?

leavingthebigg said:

aderutter said:

The sooner Amazon and Microsoft bring their streaming game services to iOS devices via PWA the sooner everyone will see that Apple does not prevent people running software on iOS devices that hasn’t been vetted by Apple, isn’t in the app-store and Apple receives zero income from. 

The truth about Microsoft is it wants the free-ride on the App Store not the Web. And, Microsoft is doing much to try breaking its way into the App Store and on iPhone for free. 

From what I know, MS wouldn't have any issues paying Apple for being in the App Store,

"When asked about why Microsoft has spoken out against Apple's policies, Spencer said that it wasn't a financial issue related to Apple's 30% of in-app purchases."
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/21/microsoft-remains-committed-to-bringing-xbox-game-pass-to-iphone

And I haven't seen MS having issues with MS Office or other apps.  I don't see how MS wants to be for free in the App Store as you said.  

It took Amazon’s Luna announcement to get Microsoft to go the browser route. This in my view is why Amazon will always be better at cloud services than Microsoft. For Amazon the cloud is not a second or third thought as it is with Microsoft. 

Could it be that MS saw that a native iOS / iPad OS app had a better experience that an browser app?  Yes, Amazon have some cloud services that are better than MS, but the same can be said of some MS cloud services being better than what Amazon offers.  

Though Microsoft will follow Amazon via the cloud for video game streaming, Microsoft won’t be able to integrate a Twitch-like experience since its Twitch competitor was a failure and sold off. Yes Xbox players will flock to Microsoft’s streaming service and I am actually looking forward to the coverage of the service to see what Microsoft produces for players and to see how the coverage is written as an anti-Apple rant. 

Can you blame them, considering Apple is the reason we don't have a native cloud gaming app for Stadia, Xbox Cloud Gaming, Nvidia GeForce Now and Luna?

Quite often it's IT departments whose staff really only know Windows - they don't want to lose their jobs.


The Walmart/IBM reports of per-unit IT cost savings for Macs reinforce that belief.

True. But do they have no desire to learn something new? A new platform? Not even to give anything other than Windows a chance. So closed minded. 

I don't think that all, or event most, IT guys are as you describe.  What it's clear is that MS dominate the enterprise, and their ecosystem and management tools are miles ahead of what Apple, or any other company offers.  It's clear that macOS have some benefits for some customers as IBM (I haven't seen about Walmart).  But not every company have IBM needs, and maybe that's the reason you don't see macOS, macOS Server, FileMaker or the Apple suites of apps in most business / enterprises.  

Jamf and MS are doing their best with their Apple management tools, specially when you consider that Apple haven't done anything with theirs.  But Windows still better integrating in the MS ecosystem that most business / enterprises use.  I think Apple is the reason macOS is behind in business and enterprises, and not necessarily the IT guys.  

SpamSandwich said:

Here’s the thing:

Price isn’t the point. The Surface is a pile of hot garbage compared to the generally lean and efficient iPad.

I don't think that the Surface is as bad as you said compared to an iPad.  I have a Surface Pro 4 that completely replaced my iPad, notebook and desktop (since I have the Surface Dock).  I wouldn't be able to do that with an iPad.  And during these years, I have seen how the iPad have been copying many elements I had many years ago in my SP4, like the Pen/Pencil, side-by-side apps in tablet mode, Windows Hello / FaceID and more recently the keyboard with trackpad.  

I think that the iPad is the best tablet in the market.  But the Surface does many things better than the iPad, specially when you add the keyboard / trackpad.  For example, if I work with a complex document or spreadsheet, the Surface is a better device.  Same as multitasking, where the iPad is very limited compared to Windows.  

I would agree that the iPad is very efficient in many tasks, but I can said the same of the Surface in many tasks too.  IMO, it all depends of what you need, the apps / applications and your workflow.  I consider both, the iPad and the Surface Pro, excellent devices.

22july2013 said:

cloudguy said:

What makes you think that Microsoft is battling Apple? 

Here's my answer, after 5 minutes of research:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/11/microsoft-says-loosened-app-store-gaming-rules-still-make-for-a-bad-experience <--
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/07/microsoft-fires-back-at-apple-accusing-it-of-treating-gaming-apps-differently <--
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-president-brad-smith-its-time-for-apples-app-store-model-to-be-probed/ <--

Please notice that Microsoft DOES object to the 30% fee, contrary to your claims, as shown in my third link. I stopped reading your post after realizing that your #1 claim was wrong. But I always appreciate when people try to provide arguments against me. I'm right only 80% of the time.

In an interview with CNBC, Phil Spencer said "that it wasn't a financial issue related to Apple's 30% of in-app purchases. Instead, the Xbox chief said it was because Game Pass — and cloud gaming services as a whole — aren't allowed on Apple's mobile devices in their current form.”

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/21/microsoft-remains-committed-to-bringing-xbox-game-pass-to-iphone

MS, as many other developers, may not agree with the Apple fee, but they still respect the rules and keep publishing their apps in the App Store .  I agree with @cloudguy , I'm not seeing MS battling Apple as you said, specially when compared to Epic and other developers.