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NY1822 said:

Funny how the other apple focused website has the similar article but their headline is slanted in the opposite direction making the Xr seem like a failure...but with the exact same data

canukstorm said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

rogifan_new said:

MplsP said:

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

Major discounting (which is what this amounts to) three days before Christmas has just one reading in my book: Lower than expected sales. The offer (in this case Spain) is totally in your face, front page, prices in black and white, marketing. Never seen this before.

Apple has had in your face iphone ads on their store home page before. 

IIRC, the iPhone 4s 'promotion' was simply the carrier pricing when you sign up for a 2 year contract (before everyone finally did away with that charade)

You can argue that it's a trade in program, but the trade in values they are offering are significantly higher than offered by other outlets, so it ends up being a promotion/discount. For example, if I go to Gazelle, my 64 GB iPhone 6s is worth $90. On Apple.com, they offer $200.

Without actual sales data from Apple, there will never be certainty on how sales are doing, but if you look at all the data in aggregate, I really don't see any other, reasonable interpretation. Given the fact that it still requires interpretation, there are plenty of people who will disagree, whether because of their own biases or for other reasons, but it seems that taking an alternate interpretation is requiring more and more excuses and explanations. 

Also this is comparing apples and oranges. The front page of apple.com is not the same as the Apple store or the sub site for the trade-in program. No one is suggesting the trade-in program didn’t previously exist. It did, but never before was it so prominently featured on the front page of apple.com. And right now Verizon is running a promo where if you get an iPhone they’ll give you an XR for nothing. Now does that XR get counted as a sale from Apple’s perspective? Did Verizon have to get approval from Apple to do this promotion? I don’t know why it’s difficult to believe that the public might finally be balking at the price of smartphones. And what they have is probably good enough for what they use their phone for (messages/social media). Even the camera now is probably good enough where people don’t feel the need to upgrade just for that.

I'm impressed that Apple is beaten up for daring to take advantage of new marketing strategies after blowing off analysts and investors by dropping reporting of unit sales numbers.

Nobody could possibly have imagined the fucking rules that posters could come up with to admonish Apple; but then again, I certainly would have expected you to be in the forefront of any such movement.

Couldn't be further from the truth. No one is beating Apple up for reducing pricing (albeit indirectly).

People are simply looking at reality to gauge what might be happening with iPhone sales.

Having a MAJOR promotion (an effective discount of around 135€ in my case) on your front page for the newest hardware (just three months old) and three days before Christmas (your biggest spike in yearly sales), sends out messages. People are simply interpreting them.

Apple got me to upgrade in a last gasp effort. Truly last gasp in my case as the money for upgrading had already been spent elsewhere (as I had closed the door on Apple due to pricing).

On pricing I have criticised Apple many times and refused to buy into the deal. It now might be the case that more and more people are following suit and not purchasing.

Price is not the only possible reason for users not upgrading.  The cheap battery replacement offer is one reason.  iOS 12 making older iPhones much more usable is another.

tmay said:

rogifan_new said:

MplsP said:

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

Major discounting (which is what this amounts to) three days before Christmas has just one reading in my book: Lower than expected sales. The offer (in this case Spain) is totally in your face, front page, prices in black and white, marketing. Never seen this before.

Apple has had in your face iphone ads on their store home page before. 

IIRC, the iPhone 4s 'promotion' was simply the carrier pricing when you sign up for a 2 year contract (before everyone finally did away with that charade)

You can argue that it's a trade in program, but the trade in values they are offering are significantly higher than offered by other outlets, so it ends up being a promotion/discount. For example, if I go to Gazelle, my 64 GB iPhone 6s is worth $90. On Apple.com, they offer $200.

Without actual sales data from Apple, there will never be certainty on how sales are doing, but if you look at all the data in aggregate, I really don't see any other, reasonable interpretation. Given the fact that it still requires interpretation, there are plenty of people who will disagree, whether because of their own biases or for other reasons, but it seems that taking an alternate interpretation is requiring more and more excuses and explanations. 

Also this is comparing apples and oranges. The front page of apple.com is not the same as the Apple store or the sub site for the trade-in program. No one is suggesting the trade-in program didn’t previously exist. It did, but never before was it so prominently featured on the front page of apple.com. And right now Verizon is running a promo where if you get an iPhone they’ll give you an XR for nothing. Now does that XR get counted as a sale from Apple’s perspective? Did Verizon have to get approval from Apple to do this promotion? I don’t know why it’s difficult to believe that the public might finally be balking at the price of smartphones. And what they have is probably good enough for what they use their phone for (messages/social media). Even the camera now is probably good enough where people don’t feel the need to upgrade just for that.

I'm impressed that Apple is beaten up for daring to take advantage of new marketing strategies after blowing off analysts and investors by dropping reporting of unit sales numbers.

Nobody could possibly have imagined the fucking rules that posters could come up with to admonish Apple; but then again, I certainly would have expected you to be in the forefront of any such movement.

MplsP said:

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

Major discounting (which is what this amounts to) three days before Christmas has just one reading in my book: Lower than expected sales. The offer (in this case Spain) is totally in your face, front page, prices in black and white, marketing. Never seen this before.

Apple has had in your face iphone ads on their store home page before. 

IIRC, the iPhone 4s 'promotion' was simply the carrier pricing when you sign up for a 2 year contract (before everyone finally did away with that charade)

You can argue that it's a trade in program, but the trade in values they are offering are significantly higher than offered by other outlets, so it ends up being a promotion/discount. For example, if I go to Gazelle, my 64 GB iPhone 6s is worth $90. On Apple.com, they offer $200.

Without actual sales data from Apple, there will never be certainty on how sales are doing, but if you look at all the data in aggregate, I really don't see any other, reasonable interpretation. Given the fact that it still requires interpretation, there are plenty of people who will disagree, whether because of their own biases or for other reasons, but it seems that taking an alternate interpretation is requiring more and more excuses and explanations.