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dabigkahuna said:

...People just using terms to promote their personal view. 

My understanding is that it is acknowledged by all parties that objectively, final production units ("General Release") have not yet been sent to anyone. On that basis the only possible reason to claim that "units have shipped to customers" is to attempt to obfuscate.

Seems to me the only people trying to promote their personal view are WT and, possibly, DBK.

Out of interest, I spent about 10 minutes sampling every 10th of DBK's posts as I was curious to see if you extrapolated into the future at what point DBK's posts in this thread would actually exceed the total number of posts in the thread...

I'm afraid I discovered that he's currently not really quite exceeding the 45 degree angle, but I thought it was rather fun nonetheless:

I never thought I’d see the day where even WTS got close to telling DBK to just drop it. 

Where I live (UK) the word “uppity” is rarely if ever used, primarily because its use implies as much about the speaker as it does about the object of its direction. It implies that the speaker considers the other person to be getting “above their station” and that the speaker believes there is therefore an implicit inferiority to their place. This chimes perfectly with the general impression one has that WTS does not wish to engage meaningfully with the customer, because they clearly see themselves, being the creator, as being above all the potential users.

I wasn’t defending the use of the word at all, it was most unwise: however having looked up its meaning in various dictionaries there was no hint that it was racist, beyond the article TBD had linked. Ultimately its etymology is North American however, and I accept the better knowledge of those here regarding its interpretation. I’m still not convinced it was intended to be racist, but it was definitely intended as an ill-considered put-down.

[edit] I think it’s also fair to say I disagree with DBK above - there are no legitimate uses for the word in the mouth of a company representative, much least one employed in customer relations.

WayTools_Support said:

The Wikipedia reference does not qualify or explain its statement on shelf degradation, with the effects of storage conditions.  It’s incomplete authority.

Yes, although I did link the whole article, which does mention that storage at lower temperatures can somewhat mitigate the shelf degradation. Hence 

Referring to it as the absolute authority implicitly strips off the important qualifiers.

is not really fair. Particularly given that you then give as your own defence 

The short initial statement we made was simplified to go straight to the substance, without burdening it with all the of science drill-down.

and therefore you expect a greater latitude than you are prepared to allow me.

That’s an honourable way to spare the reader the weight of all details, while taking them quickly to the material truth.

Honourable is a very strange word to use in that context. There's an Inigo Montoya quote that comes to mind.

A presumption of innocence saves everyone a lot of time, unless there’s a good reason to doubt it. 

Indeed.