Mike Wuerthele

k2kw said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

avon b7 said:

"No, there is no 5G on the iPhone 11 Pro family at all, and there shouldn't be this year. Standards are still shaking out, carriers are still getting their act together. What works this year is probably not going to be even close to a full array of what 5G will support in the future."

If we take an educated guess from the rumours, it is almost certain that Apple was aiming for a 5G modem this year but intel didn't deliver.

Releasing a 5G modem next year will not change the 'standards are still shaking out' claim. The relevant standards for current 5G modems were finalised at the end of 2017. Commercial deployment is now a reality and Apple probably wanted to be part of that reality.

Long before Apple ships anything with a 5G modem, Huawei alone will have shipped 2,000,000 5G base stations worldwide. Add in Ericsson and Nokia, plus Qualcomm and Samsung and it is clear that Apple is at both a marketing and technological disadvantage. 5G will roll out far faster than previous generations.

5G coverage will vastly improve through 2020. China is accelerating an already accelerated 5G roll out. Korea has massive plans. Europe too. The devil is in the details but Release 15 is finalised. The only changes to that will be stabilisation efforts. NSA is what current modems (with the exception of Huawei which claims SA support too) are using and that is finalised and real.

Apart from the brute speed angle, things like 4GLTE/5G (NSA/SA)  network slicing will also bring big advantages to everyone. Apple is obviously going to find it harder to compete in even a 5G NSA world without a product and when it does have a 5G product, the standard will still be 'shaking out'. I think it matters today from a purchasing perspective and no doubt a fair amount of potential buyers will put purchases off to wait for it along with the rumoured body redesign. Users looking for a phone to take them through a three or four year cycle might be even more reluctant to upgrade now.

https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2018/03/21/first-5g-standard-complete-so-whats-next

I understand what you're saying it, and why you're saying it. The problem is partially the rollouts and partially the modems. The modems available today are hot battery drainers, and Apple's presence in the space doesn't magically change that. Those "finalized and real" modems you speak about are anything but finalized, and are pretty bad. This year, right now, we're in about the same implementation space as the iPhone 4, two years before Apple rolled out LTE in the iPhone.

Couple that with the ratification of the latest modem spec about two weeks ago, and another expected in about March of 2020 right when Apple will need modems, and inclusion of a not-ready for prime time technology in the phone this year remains a bad idea regardless of what Joe Public may think that they want.

We're not opposed to 5G. It's just not ready for a good implementation, delivering what the mass market wants right now. In regards to that roll-out, I live in a dense suburb of Washington DC. I am about six miles away from the White House. I won't see 5G in this neighborhood for four or five years. DC proper won't have a "complete" rollout for two more years.

And, there will always, always be something to wait for next year about. That is the nature of technology. This is no different. At some point. companies need to produce a device and a consumer needs to jump on the purchase train.

That’s America.   What is William Gallagher saying about how long 5G taking to roll out in UK and Europe?   Wish you had an Asia based reporter to give insight to that market.

SpamSandwich said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

SpamSandwich said:

Knowing someone who had to fight to assert their well-earned patent rights, I don’t think it’s fair to call any person or company a “patent troll” until they’re proven otherwise. Until everything shakes out in court they are simply a party filing a lawsuit.

If you aren't producing a product, you are by definition a patent troll.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/patent_troll

That’s false. They would be an NPE (Non-Practicing Entity). “Patent troll” is not a legal term. I thought we addressed this distinction previously.

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=2bc351e0-c393-4637-9c38-306ff7713557

avon b7 said:

"No, there is no 5G on the iPhone 11 Pro family at all, and there shouldn't be this year. Standards are still shaking out, carriers are still getting their act together. What works this year is probably not going to be even close to a full array of what 5G will support in the future."

If we take an educated guess from the rumours, it is almost certain that Apple was aiming for a 5G modem this year but intel didn't deliver.

Releasing a 5G modem next year will not change the 'standards are still shaking out' claim. The relevant standards for current 5G modems were finalised at the end of 2017. Commercial deployment is now a reality and Apple probably wanted to be part of that reality.

Long before Apple ships anything with a 5G modem, Huawei alone will have shipped 2,000,000 5G base stations worldwide. Add in Ericsson and Nokia, plus Qualcomm and Samsung and it is clear that Apple is at both a marketing and technological disadvantage. 5G will roll out far faster than previous generations.

5G coverage will vastly improve through 2020. China is accelerating an already accelerated 5G roll out. Korea has massive plans. Europe too. The devil is in the details but Release 15 is finalised. The only changes to that will be stabilisation efforts. NSA is what current modems (with the exception of Huawei which claims SA support too) are using and that is finalised and real.

Apart from the brute speed angle, things like 4GLTE/5G (NSA/SA)  network slicing will also bring big advantages to everyone. Apple is obviously going to find it harder to compete in even a 5G NSA world without a product and when it does have a 5G product, the standard will still be 'shaking out'. I think it matters today from a purchasing perspective and no doubt a fair amount of potential buyers will put purchases off to wait for it along with the rumoured body redesign. Users looking for a phone to take them through a three or four year cycle might be even more reluctant to upgrade now.

https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2018/03/21/first-5g-standard-complete-so-whats-next

foregoneconclusion said:

If it supports Dolby Atmos and 5.1/7.1 playback, you can use headphones that support Dolby Atmos and 5.1/7.1. No Airplay required. 

popple said:

"Apple has updated the page for the iPhone operating system with some new information. A notification for the update to iOS 13.1 in the small print explains it will be 'Available September 24, 2019.'" Anyone have a screenshot for this? I can't find anywhere on the page that references that iOS 13.1 let alone the date on which it will be available. There _is_ a footnote that says "Available September 24, 2019" but that's just indicating when the iPod touch (7th gen) will be getting iOS 13.