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williamlondon said:williamlondon said:Hey, AI, are you eyeing this thread as another ripe juicy comments section to delete, like so many others of late?
"Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results"
They'd stay open, if forum-goers, yes, including regulars, could behave themselves.
Perhaps a poll of the members here whether they approve of your thread deletion?<wry grin - don't do this please>
If folks could stay civil, things would stay open all the time -- yet here we are. That's why we keep trying to leave threads open because as a rule we have faith in our readers., Instead we've lately been rewarded with nonsense that's labor-intensive to prune.
Don't complain to me about it. Complain to your fellow forum-goers.This avenue of conversation in the forums has concluded. You are welcome to continue in a direct message, if you're so inclined.
swineone said:swineone said:AppleInsider said:The concept of planned obsolescence is so broken it only takes a moment of actual, coherent, thought to understand why it isn't happening.
If users were given that capability and followed a few simple battery care steps (plug phone in whenever possible while limiting battery SoC, do not expose to high heat, do not fast charge) then a mobile phone battery would easily last as long as an EV battery, rather than forcing you to swap the battery after a couple of years — which, at this point, is only marginally cheaper than upgrading, and thus people make the rational choice of upgrading; ergo, planned obsolescence.
A battery replacement is between $50 and $100 on an iPhone. A new device is at a minimum $500. This is still not "planned obsolescence." Batteries die. It is a fact of physics and life.Where I live, I could sell a used iPhone 11, and adding the money saved by swapping the battery at an authorized Apple shop or Apple Store, buy a new (not used, new) iPhone 12 if I monitored deep discounts which regularly occur. Perhaps even a 13 if I invested a little more. It’s much more rational to do that rather than pay for swapping the battery and keep 3 year old hardware. Ergo, Apple gets a new sale and benefits from the planned obsolescence they design in.
2) I appreciate your personal experience in the matter, but that's still not planned obsolescence. Comparing EV batteries that are about ten thousand times more reactants, cathodes , and anodes by volume to a cellphone battery isn't a like to like comparison. Three to four years is the top of the bell curve for average lifetime on a lithium ion battery that's cell-phone sized in a phone from Google or Apple, with to two or three on Samsung, versus eight or nine on a EV battery. It's the physics and chemistry of a reaction at volume, versus in a smaller-size.
Planned obsolescence is "oh, sorry, no more support for a modern OS" in three years or less. It isn't "gee, I don't want to pay $50 to keep a phone running that still will run the modern operating system for another three or four." That's a personal decision, based on what you consider your needs, and not a conspiracy by manufacturers to keep you upgrading. I don't think if you had that mythical eight-year iPhone, that you'd keep it for more than three years anyway, to be honest, based on what you've said here so far.
Your resale discussion is about how well the iPhone retains value over time, more than anything else.
9secondkox2 said:No ad agency recommends limiting your reach on the largest platform you advertise on. LOL
tommikele said:Clearly, devices make it better for teachers and students and provide more options and customization. But frankly, I am not buying the cost savings angle and the article doesn't offer any proof. It also says "after the initial investment ..." Well the initial investment is huge and disregarding it pokes huge holes in the claim of cost savings whether it is taxpayers or parents footing the bill or a combo of that and what about families who can't afford $300-$1000? Schools should put the squeeze or corporations and foundations to pay the devices. After all, the big are taxpayer subsidized anyway.
Assistive talkers are $3000+. An iPad and Proloquo is $700. The FM Units start at $1800 for a crappy one. An iPad and AirPods Max are $800, and if you have the iPad already, then obviously, that layout is less. Otherwise, you're buying both.
Tom, have you tried to "put the squeeze or corporations and foundations to pay the devices?" I have, and it's not as easy as you think it is.
If you're referring to the Black Friday deals posts, feel free to not click on them, the same as you shouldn't click on anything else you don't want to read.This concludes this avenue of discussion in this thread. If you'd like to continue it in DM, by all means, do so.