Mike Wuerthele

razorpit said:

Spudster said:

No company should be held responsible for what users do with their product. Why should internet companies be any different? Can a phone company be held liable for callers using their service for terror plots? Or vehicle manufacturers when their vehicle is used to plow into a crowd of people? Or gun manufacturers being held liable for murders committed with their guns? Or course not and it should be the same for rules for all companies.

You made way too much sense in your first post. I was going to warn you about people like George but it appears I’m too late.

GeorgeBMac said:

Spudster said:

No company should be held responsible for what users do with their product. Why should internet companies be any different? Can a phone company be held liable for callers using their service for terror plots? Or vehicle manufacturers when their vehicle is used to plow into a crowd of people? Or gun manufacturers being held liable for murders committed with their guns? Or course not and it should be the same for rules for all companies.

That is a legitimate argument.  But,..

When people and organizations use a platform to spread disinformation that harms people and society (say hate speech) then it becomes a systemic problem.  Since there is no effective way to stop those spreading the disinformation (particularly if they are from another nation) then the onus falls on the platform itself to police how it is being used.   If they cannot do an effective job (which their obviously have not) then it is time for government to step in.

George the problem is when these platforms become selective in what they allow. Take a look at hydroxychloroquine, for months people needlessly died because they weren’t informed about it because big tech shut down all discussion of it. Now the AMA comes out and says never mind, the 70 year old drug is proven and it works. The damage has been done.

They still allow Biden and Harris to promote flat out lies of presidential statements and because they do people like you think they are still true. How many unarmed sources were there on the Russian collusion delusion? All fake, but allowed.

The AMA did no such thing. Source, AMA.

Back on topic, though. 230 needs to exist, even if Limbaugh is allowed to say what he wants. He's got no business complaining if he gets fact-checked here, on Twitter, on Facebook, or anywhere else. Complete moderation of a post beyond the rules of the platform, or attaching a fact-check to a post by an individual in no way make the venue a publisher. The former is required by 230 as it stands, and given that businesses themselves have first amendment rights, the fact-check is explicitly allowed, until/if things change.

For instance: If Twitter itself published a slanderous post, then they'd be liable for that. If a user of Twitter posted it, and they deleted it or attached a fact-check to it disproving the slander, that doesn't make them a publisher in any way.

KillBillOG said:

FileMaker April 1985

We don't disagree that FileMaker is coming, but it isn't here yet.
 
FTA: "You can be certain that FileMaker Pro will make the move, though. As originally an Apple app, and today made by a wholly Apple-owned subsidiary, it's not a surprise that FileMaker Pro has made it through the moves from 68000 to PowerPC and Intel. 

ivanh said:

The original unix and linux distros were multi-user. the iPhone OS and iOSses conversion disabled multiuser mode. I don’t see major obstacles to “enable” the multiuser mode.

You know, minus the whole "secure enclave processor" which is discussed in the patent and article. That, and the fork was 15 years ago, with major deviations to the code base to accommodate said SEP.

hodar said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

razorpit said:

It’s the flu. Grow up. Unless you’re over 80 or have on average 3 comorbidities you have a 99.997% chance of surviving. The gunshot victims bring that average down slightly.

You need to look up what are considered "comorbidities."

Things like "ever had a tooth removed" count. So does "ever been in a car accident," "was ever pregnant," and "had tonsils removed." So is hay fever, ingrown toenail requiring a doctor's visit, or any kind of allergy, ever, at all.

It is not the flu.

Really?  And you are a Adminisrator and don't know how to use Google? 

Allow me to help

What does “comorbidity” mean?

Comorbidity means more than one disease or condition is present in the same person at the same time. Conditions described as comorbidities are often chronic or long-term conditions. Other names to describe comorbid conditions are coexisting or co-occurring conditions and sometimes also “multimorbidity” or “multiple chronic conditions.”

Arthritis is common among people with other chronic conditions.

In the total US population, 22.7% of adults have arthritis.2 Arthritis is even more common among adults with other chronic conditions. In 2013–2015, the unadjusted prevalence of arthritis among adults with the following chronic conditions was:

• Obesity (31%).
• Diabetes (47%).
• Heart disease (49%).

https://www.cdc.gov/arthritis/data_statistics/comorbidities.htm

So, NO it's not a toothache, it's not pregnancy, it's not anything even CLOSE to what you said it was.  If you are going to use your Admin badge - TRY to be accurate.  this took about 5 seconds to look up, and a few minutes to post.

Nope, they absolutely are, as reported to the CDC.

Also as per the CDC, and COVID reporting guidelines (not the arthritis page), all comorbidity data reported with COVID deaths includes ALL ICD-10 codes associated with any prior diagnosis of the person diagnosed with COVID that may or may not have present effects. It's right there in what you linked, which I bolded in your quote. You're welcome to Google what an ICD-10 code is, if you'd like, but be sure to be complete. Citing something relevant helps too.

Everything I listed is a reportable comorbidity according to the CDC. So are car accidents, and so forth.

Allow me to help: You should be sure that your own information is complete and not cherry-picked before you talk crap. You should also make sure that it says what you think it does. Fun fact? Arthritis is a co-morbidity for COVID.

This system is not ideal. For instance, I fail to see what my own ingrown toenail surgery from 1993 has anything to do with the diagnosis, but when I dealt with COVID, it was reported as said "pre-existing condition" because of the relevant scarring and procedure documented in my record. Had I died from COVID, my occupational radiation exposure that ended in 1999, my possible exposure to asbestos in 1998, the toe surgery, and other factors would have been listed as co-morbidities.

On a personal note, my wife worked in medical billing for about 20 years. My sister in law still does, and she's going on 30 years of doing it. So sure, pick something about arthritis that doesn't say what it says you think it does to try and prove a point that you're wrong about.

razorpit said:

It’s the flu. Grow up. Unless you’re over 80 or have on average 3 comorbidities you have a 99.997% chance of surviving. The gunshot victims bring that average down slightly.

You need to look up what are considered "comorbidities."

Things like "ever had a tooth removed" count. So does "ever been in a car accident," "was ever pregnant," and "had tonsils removed." So is hay fever, ingrown toenail requiring a doctor's visit, or any kind of allergy, ever, at all.

It is not the flu.