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gatorguy said:

StrangeDays said:

TravisV said:

This brings up another disturbing scenario with Apple. If the photo's that you deleted years ago reappear what else is Apple storing on their servers that you have deleted from Data Recovery in iCloud. ARE THEY REALLY DELETED or are they just hidden like files hidden on a mac with a ".".. THe question now is can Apple be believed when they say they can not read your FileVault Key that might be stored on their servers and that in Systems Setting in Sonoma and is Advance System Protection, protection at all!

markbyrn said:

If photos are reappearing years after you deleted them, this 17.5 bug only exposed the fact that Apple was somehow retaining the deleted photos. This 17.5.1 update only re-hides that egregious violation of privacy.  Tim Cook bad!

Read the article. The bug appears to involve a corrupted local database, which is then insufficiently deleting the images. It isn’t about secret Apple policies to retain cloud images.

Did they say it was a local database, i.e., on the owner's device? If so, I missed that in Apple's explanation. I had read it as a database maintained by Apple on Apple servers. 

EDIT: No they didn't say anything about a local database, and in fact did not mention where the "corrupted database" existed AFAICT.  It's a very vague and unclear explanation, isn't it? I could be misunderstanding. 
"This update provides important bug fixes and addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted."

M68000 said:

I’m thinking the database or databases store status and pointers to where the actual files are, which would have to be on server farms somewhere.  How could all this be local and have people freeing up actual space when they delete pictures on their iPhones?

Local but hidden retention might partially explain why there are 3.09GB  stored by Photos on my 64 GB iPad (I realise that it’s way too small) even though i have only ten photos in the app and I have had iCloud photos turned off for several years now. This has always puzzled me.

Music app downloads are also turned off.

This mysterious block of ‘invisible’ Photos data contributes to making iPadOS updates a bit of a chore, as I generally have to remove apps then reinstall them. Maybe there’s bleed-through to that 3.09GB number from images in the Messages app (which I tend to leave alone, but should prune more often).

aderutter said:

Yeah I’m hoping for Mac Mini & Mac Studio - certainly not buying M2 versions… 

Same here

Frustrating, but ultimately worth being patient and waiting. If nothing happens by early 2025 though, mini-wise, there is going to be a Great Squawking and Clucking from this particular chook. Waaark.

M$ - dragging their feet, as usual.

Where’s the M3 Mac Mini in all of this? Having decided to wait for it, my upgrade plans have stalled yet again. It looks as though I’ll have to plump for an M2 mini after all, especially as I’m probably not going to be able to use Sonoma via OCLP on the aging 2010 iMac i7. I’m getting to the point where I can no longer afford to wait, March-April 24 being my cut-off. Curse the AVP and ‘AI’/LLMs  .