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Hmm, this looks interesting, but I think I'd wait until they get in a few more hands. The big features I haven't seen before is the Bluetooth & USB in a mechanical keyboard. It would be great to just be able to switch it to work with the iPad or iPhone for a bit, sometimes.

I don't care much for all the lighting effects, but they can be turned off... or I think just a consistent (at a particular level) backlight. IMO, that's better than no backlighting of most mechanical keyboards I've seen.

I wonder about those keys though. I'm familiar with the reputation of the Cherry keys, but I don't know much about Gateron or how they compare with what I'm familiar with (even though they use the Red, Brown, Blue terminology... I wonder if they feel the same as Cherry keys of those colors?).

fastasleep said:
I had to set up new accounts at my credit union the other day, and the guy kept passing me his PC keyboard that had keys like this to type new passwords and stuff on. I could barely type on it reliably and absolutely hated the experience. Personally, I have no desire to return to the dark ages, I've completely moved on.

Just remember that most PC keyboards are just absolute crap. Just because they look like these kinds of keys doesn't mean anything. I also struggle when I go to take exams in the typical computer lab, or library, etc. These things (if anything like, say the Apple Extended II) are just a dream to type on.

That said, I it has been a while since I've used one, and I do wonder how much the newer keyboards have changed my typing style such that I wouldn't think they are so nice anymore? I also wonder about the noise. It wouldn't be an issue much of the time, but when I'm recording audio, I'd probably keep my Apple Wireless Keyboard (precursor to the Magic keyboard) around for that.

I wouldn't call them the 'dark ages' though, as the quality and feel (though a bit longer throw) was far, far better than most anything made today.
(Unless, of course, you're more accurately referencing the Dark Ages historically - agricultural flourishing due to global warming, university, science, hospitals, self-governance, explosion or art, music, architectures, etc. - but then that wouldn't make much sense of your statement. Then, I suppose I'd have to agree that much like the Dark Ages, our modern efforts, at least in some areas, kinda leave something left to desire).

coolfactor said:

Wait for it..... people are going to ask "What makes it Pro then? ...

Oh, that's easy. Midnight Green.

But, seriously, the camera. I don't think I've ever wished I had a wider angle on my phone, but I've often wanted some real zoom. (That said, they are all too darn big for me to consider anyway... so until we have an SE Pro, I guess I'm out of luck.)

tbsteph said:

And why should I care if they have 4 or 6 GB of RAM?

In context of phones overall, it doesn't really matter. But, in context of iPhones, it has traditionally been a big factor in how many iOS upgrades you can make.

rogifan_new said:
Safari tabs and apps re-load way more frequently than they did with iOS 12.  I hope 13.1 fixes it.

Me too! I thought we were just starting to get away from that on iOS.

AppleInsider said:

When Apple announced iOS 13 earlier this year, they also opened up support for Sony's Dualshock 4 controllers and Microsoft's Wireless Xbox One controller. So if you already have these two controllers at home, you'll be able to connect these controllers to your Apple devices when Apple's new OS goes live in a couple of weeks.

I have to disagree some here, and advise to just buy a Sony DS4 or Xbox controller and wait a bit (unless you really, really just have to get playing now). While I do like my Nimbus, it isn't a DS4 (in feel, or possibly even quality). It's hard to describe, but it just isn't quite as responsive or ranges/engagement-zones aren't as well designed as the DS4.

So, instead of 'if you have already' I'd say you're more likely to just want to start there.

indiekiduk said:

Glad they really listened to their customers and are making a larger SE

I sure hope you forgot the 'sarcasm' tag, lol.

wood1208 said:

Apple gets it but some people don't get it. The days of small screen size phone like 4" are long gone. So called SE2 will be smaller screen than current 5.5"+ iphones but nothing like SE iPhone.

That's just silly. There are plenty of phones if you want the larger form factors. But, many of us specifically want the smaller form factor.

wood1208 said:
Looks like winner for those iPhone users with liking for smaller foot print and value in mind. Big question is how Apple will achieve in iPhone 8 frame edge-to-edge screen with touch ID, without FaceID ?

If it is the size of the iPhone 8, then it isn't smaller. This looks more like a budget model. I wish Apple would stop confusing the two categories (ie: form factor and price).

lkrupp said:
But that is exactly what the automobile market is telling manufacturers. Smart is exiting the U.S. market. Fiat is ceasing production of the 500. Sedans are being phased out by all of the big automobile makers. Fans of a certain type of design always assume there are millions of other that think the same. It’s no longer feasible or profitable for automobile makers to produce vehicles for a minority market. That’s why the crossover SUV and pickup truck are dominating the market these days. Same goes for the smaller  iPhone SE crowd that is very vocal here. Apple has no incentive to satisfy your craving. Why should they? But hey, blather on brother.

I agree to a point (the analogy kind of fell flat because of the reality going on in that market). But, there are still plenty of makers of sedans. And, there is no reason a more intelligent company can't serve more than one generic perceived market. (ie. those automakers going to all crossover SUVs, are mostly the same automakers failing in general... or to put it more bluntly, idiots.)

OutdoorAppDeveloper said:

I know so many people who bought a SE (and still use it) because it is small. Apple should seriously consider a phone without a front camera that is even smaller than the SE but all screen.

I'm not sure the (smartphone) market could be stretched quite that far.... but, the thing is, Apple never did it correctly, so they have no clue.
If they had produced an SE form factor with more of the top-of-the-line model's tech, it might have outsold the larger versions, but we don't know. So, when people went to the store and looked, they may have well wanted an SE, but then decided they needed the better camera, or a bunch of other factors.

Yes, there is a valid argument to favor larger screens, in that you get more viewable and workable space, especially given people more heavily using phones/mobile. BUT, that doesn't mean there aren't a ton of people who have regular access to iPads, laptops, and desktops who would prefer a smaller device for practicality and ergonomics.

Apple basically saw the initial trend, went all in on it, and never did the homework to really understand and test it.

There is, however, a growing 'OTG' (off the grid) market Apple could tap into with such a phone, that was more phone and less (modern) smartphone with a huge emphasis on privacy (real privacy) and setup to be as 'OTG' as possible with some super-basics (ex: built-in, even hardware, VPN capability or stuff like that). Some people are actually buying older iPhone models or early (and re-released) smart-phones to have just enough communication to meet their needs and avoid the rest.

zooming080 said:

Please try this

Goto settings>click music>click cellular data>turn on streaming

Thanks, but I don't want it to use data streaming music.

But, I actually figured it out (sorry, I forgot to come back to this thread and update).

The problem ended up being the actual name of the playlist, which must have been reserved or Siri had some issue with. The problem was that the 'error message' Siri was providing was nonsensical as to the actual issue.

I changed the name of the playlist, and now it works as expected.... with the cellular data stuff turned off.