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tenthousandthings said:OkiRun said:fastasleep said:CraigAnderton said:(A standard iMac is a non-starter for pro audio production because it can't be configured for more than 32 GB of RAM.)
21.5” iMac = 32 GB
27” iMac = 64 GB
27” iMac Pro = 256 GB
Mac Pro = 1024 GB or 2048 GB (maximum configurations available from Apple = 768 GB or 1536 GB)
MplsP said:freethinking said:freethinking said:sudden outbreak of common sense, maybe finally a decent keyboard again to replace the pieces of shit they put in over past years and a proper "esc" key is the right call ... excellent! its progress in the right direction but it looks like it still needs $100+ dollars of adapters to do anything useful.
how hard is it to make a "pro" machine that does not need an adapter to plug into HDMI (essentially what is required by any presentation in business or education) .
but non butterfly keyboard and a decent 'esc' key is already a good first step to get back to the formerly brilliant mac book pros.
Sure, if you have some kind of strange setup with a hardwired HDMI connector and no access to the projector, then you may need an adapter, and it is absolutely on the presenter to make sure you have the tools you need to get the job done, so I wouldn't need to use your Dell anyway.
And, in older conference rooms, your HDMI out on your Dell may need a DVI adapter or HDMI to DVI cable which is still not an adapter -- the abject horror.
As for the the DVI, what’s your point? No one is claiming the MBP should have every port, just the single most common one that’s been standard for the last 5 years. The few conference rooms that I’ve been in that have DVI connectors also had either HDMI jacks or a DVI - HDMI adaptor (= short cable, since you’re hung up on the length)What's an adapter and what's a cable is very, very clear. If you have to plug another cable into it, it is an adapter. If you don't and you can connect to a peripheral with no other connections, it is a cable.
I don't think that there's an argument to be made that more connections in a cable length are a good thing. Having a cable from point A to point C is better than having an adapter from point A to point B, then a cable to point C. So, it's good news that cables from USB-C to anywhere exist, then, huh?
Even if I had to have an adapter or dongle for something, it's not any different than what we've had to do as computer users for four decades. Thus, the remark about the DVI.
crd said:The problem I see is that pc tech has already improved since this computer was announced. Cascade x with $1000 18 core CPU’s w/ 256gb ram max will be out soon. Improvements on the amd side side too.re: AMD, Apple has yet to show any interest in them. That could change in the future, but I’m not holding my breath.
JustSomeGuy1 said:PickUrPoison said:BigDann said:This reminds me of the Three Bears story! The Mac mini is too cold, the new MacPro is too hot! The 2013 is the not quite good enough!
Apple swung hard to the Animators & videographers with this design. Which is good!
But us photographers got short changed! Now if Apple where to take this design and make a desktop version dropping a few of the slots. Basically, the 2013 on steroids! I would buy one to replace my aging 2013 Trash Can!You're just asserting opinions as fact. You don't know what the demand is, and you don't know the "buyer demographic". That said, it's quite possible that Apple shares your opinions.Your quoted price is ridiculous, though. Apple could do quite well with an "xMac" (as discussed here endlessly) in the $3k range. They just decided they'd rather segment their market in a different way.
In any case, no Apple could not “do quite well with an xMac in the $3k range” because it would cannibalize sales to those who would otherwise buy a Mac Pro for $6k.$6k works as the base price for the new Mac Pro only because the target market will typically order upgrades of one, more or all of the options: RAM, SSD, CPU or GPU. Who knows, but I’d expect the ASP of Mac Pro to be in the neighborhood of $12-15k—and those in the corporate/enterprise space will likely replace them every few years. (But the machine is excellent for small businesses or even one-person independent pros as well.)
PCIe and RAM sockets are cheap. Power supplies and cases are rather inexpensive as well. If the $6k Mac Pro has a BOM cost of $2k, a cut down version might be $1,700. And without Xeon and ECC, an “xMac” BOM cost might be, who knows, call it $1,000 (for all it matters).
Is it hard to see how a $6k entry level Mac Pro with a $12-15k ASP is a viable product, whereas a less expandable Mac Pro or a prosumer xMac (emphasis on the “sumer”) is a disaster? Not only would either potential offering save Apple very little—especially when you consider the full COGS, not just BOM cost—but the ASP would be crap.Why do I say that? Simple logic. Anyone so desperate to save $50 per month (over 5 years) to spend $3k vs. $6k for the base machine is the same type of user who will buy their own RAM/SSD and even CPU upgrades. Apple will sell those customers one $3k base model—for a thousand dollars gross profit—every ten years.80% of Mac customers buy laptops. That leaves 20% for mini, iMac, iMac Pro and Mac Pro. And I’d guess iMac is maybe 15 of that 20%. That leaves 5%, roughly a million units, split between the mini, iMac Pro and Mac Pro.
How many xMac can they sell? A few hundred thousand max. And given the effect of cannibalization of the Mac Pro (and to a lesser extent iMac Pro), it’s easy with a little modeling to see that Apple would lose revenue and profit by introducing either a less expandable Mac Pro or “prosumer xMac”. That’s true even if that new product were to result in a significant increase in units sold (which it likely wouldn’t since I think it would mostly steal demand from other models, rather than increasing the overall number of units demanded).Anyone who needs a $3k base Mac Pro can surely afford a $6k Mac Pro. I don’t care what kind of pro you are: if $3k over a three or five or seven year lifespan is a dealbreaker, you’re doing it wrong. Close up shop and get a 9 to 5 instead. Those who want a less-pro Mac Pro can want one—that’s fine. But nobody needs one. Buy the $6k Mac Pro and sleep well at night knowing it has all the expansion capability you’ll ever need.Stop trying to make xMac happen. It’s not going to happen.