Beats

wizard69 said:

Apple gets caught again stealing somebody else IP and then cries about it.    Sorry but PanOptis owns those patents for the same reason Apple owns patents, that is to make money.   Frankly this is just another example of why I'm really beginning to believe that Apple needs to go to hell for awhile.   I like a lot of stuff Apple makes but they are digging a big whole due to their lack of ethics.   Frankly they should have left China years ago once it was realized that China has practices as hideous as the Nazi's.  I've lost a lot of faith in Apple of late.

buttesilver said:

Beats said:

Probably the last CEO of a major tech company to become a billionaire further debunking the "greedy Apple" myth.

Could be true - but he's also newer to the CEO game as well.  Good for him though, most of us are just trying to keep/get employed to pay the bills.

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

danvm said:

tmay said:

danvm said:

Beats said:

danvm said:

macplusplus said:

Why would Apple leave that game streaming thing to Google or Microsoft while they can do it better than both? 

Because, as today, Google and MS are doing better than Apple in gaming.

Thanks to Apple Silicon Apple is already years ahead on that. Besides, they can offer that streaming to all game developers who sell in the AppStore without alienating them and maintaining the rich content already on sale.

I don't think that Apple Silicon is the magic cure to the issue Apple has with the gaming business.  

His sentence is not wrong. Apple CAN do better than both. Apple just doesn't care about gaming the same way they do hardware innovation. 

My post is also right when I said ""as today, Google and MS are doing better than Apple in gaming", specifically when talking about cloud gaming.

Is Google really better at it, or are you fucking bullshitting us.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/henrychesbrough/2020/03/03/dont-play-games-with-platformsa-lesson-for-google-stadia/#691214147f24

"The dominance of the major tech firms is very much in the news these days. Yet even mighty organizations sometimes make mistakes that we all can learn from. One such mistake may be the Google launch of Stadia, an online platform for streaming interactive games. Instead of buying games and special gaming hardware, Stadia users can simply pay a fee (reportedly $130 per year) and play with their internet connection and their computer. Yet take-up of Stadia to date has been quite meager, and very few third party game developers currently have games available on the platform. Is Stadia a mistake?"

...

"But the comments of third party game developers towards Stadia are revealing, and show that Google appears to be in the process of making a big mistake by underinvesting in Stadia. Developers charge that Google is offering little or no incentive for them to invest in developing games for the Stadia platform.[3] Since Stadia is brand new, and hasn’t yet been widely adopted, there isn’t much market pull for the platform. And Google has withdrawn from other initiatives in the past when the market for these offerings turned out to be disappointing (e.g., Google Hangouts, Google Health, Google Glass). So gaming companies don’t want to be investing, just when Google decides to head for the door."

What the fuck.

There are a number of articles that reflect the same point, that Stadia uptake is slow, even after Google added a free tier for two months. 

https://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/72266/apple-arcade-12-million-subscribers-prediction/

Apple Arcade estimated to have 12 million subscribers by end of 2020.

Definitely looks like Apple is better at games than Google is...

Did you read my post?  I said "as today, Google and MS are doing better than Apple in gaming, specifically when talking about cloud gaming".  Did you noticed when I said "specifically when talking about cloud gaming".  As bad as Google is / could be with Stadia, still better than Apple when talking about cloud gaming, since they don't have it.  Apple is doing very good as a mobile gaming platform. A part from that, they are awful.  Just look at the status of gaming in macOS and Apple TV, a device they try to push as a gaming console.  

And I stated that Apple is better at games...

ctt_zh said:

tmay said:

mdriftmeyer said:

leavingthebigg said:

What is stopping all the complaining companies from creating their own video game streaming devices and bypassing what they consider Apple’s restrictive App Store policies?

Say the companies do create their own video game streaming devices, what are the odds they will not allow other companies to create stores for games to be streamed to those devices?

It is easy to join the chant that Apple is being hostile to consumers when other companies are not willing to put their own money on the hardware line to do what Apple Has with iPhone and iPad. Facebook gave up on mobile phones because consumers did not want its spyware. Microsoft gave up on mobile phones because consumers did not its bloatware. 

The complaining companies have decided hardware is too hard for them to pursue even when they promote their “must have” video game streaming services. Yes, Microsoft has Xbox. Would Microsoft allow Epic, Facebook, Google, Nvidia, Riot and others to create gaming services for Xbox? Would Epic allow companies to create and sell mods for Fortnite outside Epic’s store?

The complaining companies want a free ride. Let’s be honest here. Microsoft sees Apple’s hardware success and wants a piece of it for free. The same goes for Epic, Facebook, Google, Nvidia, Riot, etc. And, The complaining companies think there is an opportunity to collect the data Apple has prevented them from collecting. Microsoft’s interest in TikTok is 100% about data collection. 

How long ago was AppleInsider reporting how Facebook and Google provided consumers with Enterprise Developer Licenses to bypass Apple’s security? I wonder if AppleInsider remembers the good old days when Microsoft promoted the PlayForSure DRM then created a better and exclusive DRM for itself? 

I wonder if AppleInsider remembers publishing articles about Facebook experimenting on its customers subliminally to make them sad or happy? And articles about Facebook monitoring everything about game players using Oculus headsets?

I wonder if AppleInsider remembers Google limiting the functionality of Google Maps on iOS unless Apple provided more user data? And how Google Maps for iOS miraculously improved when Apple created Apple Maps?

I wonder if AppleInsider remembers Publishing articles about Microsoft giving up on Mixer, Cortana and a chat bot, a social media app and more?

I wonder if AppleInsider wonders why Spotify has not created a music player or speaker for its music streaming service?

AppleInsider and others will never tell complaining companies to invest money and time no matter how hard to make their dreams come true because the chant is Apple is wrong for being successful and Apple should be willing to allow multi-billion dollar companies create their own stores to compete with the App Store on iPhones and iPads while ignoring the truth that these companies only want to mine and sell Apple’s customer data. 

Microsoft needs to find ways to remain relevant. There is no doubt in my mind Satya Nadella will illegally pay the US Treasury to be allowed to buy parts of TikTok. And Microsoft will do and say whatever it can to gain unrestricted access to iPhones and iPads. Facebook wants unfettered access to Apple’s customers to sell ads and promote disinformation from everybody willing to pay money to do so. 

Epic, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, Riot, Spotify, etc could successfully work within Apple’s App Store guidelines but they do not want to do that. They know that by going to AppleInsider, Axios, Bloomberg, CNBC, Facebook, Forbes, Fortune, MacRumors, New York Times, Twitter, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, 9to5Mac, etc and the EU and US governments is time consuming but the effort is pretty much free compared to spending billions to truly compete with Apple. 

AppleInsider knows this to be true but it is easier for AppleInsider to tell people Apple is wrong while Epic, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, Riot are absolutely right to protest Apple’s restrictive policies. 

I'll add EPIC just secure nearly $2 Billion in financing this week thus they plan to have an IPO. Let them build their streaming gaming service to compete and draw people to them, and if they financially see a value in Apple Gaming they can port some games to it. 

If Apple were going to create a game streaming system, they would be building an ASi based backend passing Metal instructions to the client device. MS is fine with brute force video streams so that developers don't actually have to do anything, but what a waste of bandwidth.

Could you explain how that would work and how it would be more efficient in terms of bandwidth than the Microsoft cloud streaming model? Would the game logic be processed in the cloud and the Metal instructions sent to the client device for processing / rendering, followed by a return trip to update the game logic engine in the Cloud, more processing there, followed by again sending Metal instructions to the client for processing / rendering etc. etc.? It's not clear how you think this would work or how it would be a less brute force approach.

Yep, you nailed it. Sending metal instructions to Apple hardware requires less bandwidth than sending streaming video, but it's possible I'm wrong about that. It probably depends on fidelity being equal in both, as a very compressed video stream might not take as much bandwidth as a high fidelity Metal instruction stream. There's also some machine learning / AI benefits to the upload instruction stream, given that there might be a lot of prediction occurring wrt to the player, but that is just speculation on my part.

Apple already figured out how to add a GPU over thunderbolt, which granted has inherently less latency than a long internet path, but it's essentially just a coax cable.

On the other hand, mixed reality would benefit, but at the same time, it should be stated that Apple prefers everything close to the hardware. Advertisers, on the other hand, do not and would love to be able have access to a realtime A/R system.

In 5G scenarios....

elijahg said:

Beats said:

Astrax said:

SpamSandwich said:

This needs to be an automatic death penalty offense.

You're right, we should put the NSA in jail for putting backdoors in our CPUs. Instead of making the average computer more secure, these script kiddos want access into every computer (might I remind you that China is making their own silicon so these are meaningless).

When are these companies going to realize that security through obscurity never works...

You mean in ANDROID devices. The NSA has not gotten their dirty hands into Apple products.

That’s not what leaks have suggested. And since companies aren’t allowed to disclose NSA infiltration how are you to be sure?

TomE said:

Apple's John Giannandrea is correct.  I am an engineer w MBA without a doubt he is correct.  It is logical.  People from the other side of the fence or window see only their world.  It takes a World Class Player like to be able to set the direction of progress and the future .  He & Apple see it.

I am not privy to what Apple is doing exactly none of us will really know unless we are working at Apple or under NDA's.  Industrial Espionage is rampant.  Why would Apple tell us everything; they are smart and a smart person only discloses approved information.  Things that are under NDA or inside their labs would blow the minds of people who are not aware of it.  Most would not understand the concepts.  

Not everyone will buy Apple - they may think it is too far behind.  It is not.  If you control the software & are able to design the chips & hardware , the end product will be amazing.  It is better.  You just want it to work.  Other's work, but not like Apple's.  If you are in the other camps, you may be in the majority, but the majority is the herd.  The herd runs all over the place when someone says "Boo".  

Apple does not follow the herd, they follow the true leader(s).  It is an honor to work for Apple.  The hours are long, the rewards are great & they are the leader & those with the herd mentality are not at Apple; they are elsewhere. Having less fun beating their brains out.

Apple is so far ahead in software, hardware, processing in your hand vs cloud processing of data, it would take a major shift for the herds to change their direction(s) & go in a Unified Creative Direction. Instead they go blinding fast over the cliff.  Just a metaphor.

In 1984, the Apple Macintosh was introduced.  It was fabulous and Archaic by today's standards. Excel did not even exist.  I believe it ran VisiCalc.  We brought our little desktop Macs to work to be able to use MacProject, MacWrite & MacDraw.  The "others" did not have anything like it.  They used command line interfaces to speak with the OS.  Rather archaic don't you think.  Apple had a vision.  Jobs & Woz were creatives.  I cannot say they envisioned all that Apple has become, but their focus improved daily.  They refocused constantly and Apple is what it is today because of Visionaries like Apple had then, have now, & will have in the future.

Apple has it down. Sure I can tell you what is wrong with some of the apps or hardware, but they keep the details of the vision close to their vest.  When I worked initially for a Major Defense Contractor, I walked into a copy room one night and surprised a person who was photographing with a spy camera and copying the proprietary drawings of another contractor who was ahead and had the contract to supply a system for a major aircraft contract.  This type of thievery goes on today at all levels, Chinese included, and the only way to keep a good secret is to not tell anyone .  Even Apple segregates their workers, but there is a focus to make it the best.

Others try, but Apple does it.  Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings.  Being able to Find, See, Accept or Lead has been my life's ambition.  Try to be the best.  We don't always have the luxury of being able to do that.  Some times the trees get in the way when in the Forest of Life.  Being able to change on a dime if needed when it is correct is important.  There is not a lot of difference in gasoline as far as my car is concerned.  It is a commodity item.  Being able to really see the future is important.  I have not always been able to see or admit the future, but if I was right and someone else was wrong, I would admit it either way.  

I admit Apple's John Giannandrea is correct.  Can you see that he is most likely correct follow a leader ?  There is a supercomputer in our hands, with Apple's Supercomputer Product line, you can touch, hold , own, & use it for creative purposes beyond our wildest dreams.  Distributed Data is the wrong concept.  The days of the Terminal into the Network, or the "Network is the Computer" maybe out of date.  But if you work in that area, you may never see the forest for the trees.  The Network is not really the computer, not for us.  Maybe for you , but not for us and not for Apple's John Giannandrea.

The Apple Subsidiary, Claris, aka FileMaker, originally Nashoba's Filemaker was far ahead.  I Love that product, but I Loved MacWrite, MacPaint, MacDraw, Visicalc, etc because they let me have a computer that I could afford to buy, own, & use to accomplish what the Naysayers could not do.  You will never know how many times were whipped, beaten, professionally crucified because we chose to not follow the masses. Especially corporate IT - they were the worse.

Can you see the future ?  I hope so.  Apple is far ahead, will continue to lead, not all will follow the Star, but they have the Focus & the Cash.  Sure they will make a mistake or so, but Naysayers are already doomed to be wrong by having the wrong attitude.

TomE