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jdw said:

Xed said:

jdw said:

I don't see how Apple can possibly address "weight" in 4 generations.  Have they addressed weight with any other product since Apple's inception, such that they made a product so FEATHER LIGHT no one would ever complain about wearing it on their face?  No!  Somebody out there will ALWAYS complain about weight as long as a thing is worn on one's face!  And when will VISION PRO not be worn on the face?  Well, when Apple comes out with the Apple HoloDeck version, that's when!  And I assure you, that HoloDeck version won't be out in my lifetime.

Therefore, people who complain about weight will just need to get over it because it's not going away anytime soon.  You can make it lighter than now, but never light enough to satisfy the "it weighs too much" people.

Addressing weight and making something so no could possibly complain are two very different things. One is very likely to happen based on Apple's long history of released product and the natural state of technology, and the other is very unlikely based on the old adage that "you can't please everyone."

The fact the sky is blue and the fact the moon is white are also "two very different things," but the fact remains you can use the two in the same conversation.  So in light of that, I don't follow your argument here.  True, you also say that that "Apple having a long history" indicates it can address weight, but all that means is Apple could shave a couple insignificant grams here and there.  Your remarks are not specific and just taking guesses that future weight reductions will "be enough."  But what you wrote doesn't specifically say this: "Apple's history proves it will shave off so much weight over time that the weight issue will no longer be an issue at all."  You perhaps eluded to that without saying it, but your statements are vague enough to generate speculation about what you really mean.

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danox said:

The Apple Vision is by far the best of it type on the market today nothing else comes close and the more crying about price and the little features that have nothing to do with the core functionally (the way it integrates with Mac OS) means Apple has hit it out of the park, don't like it don't buy it get something else if you can.

The Apple Vision core features software/hardware are as low as they will ever be Apple won't be taking anything out however the M3,M4,M5 and the R2,R3,R4 versions are coming and they won't be 1500 dollars and something else will be added in time a in house Apple modem. I don't think Apple is interested in cheap, they are interested in being the best at the upper end of the market.

jdw said:

I don't see how Apple can possibly address "weight" in 4 generations.  Have they addressed weight with any other product since Apple's inception, such that they made a product so FEATHER LIGHT no one would ever complain about wearing it on their face?  No!  Somebody out there will ALWAYS complain about weight as long as a thing is worn on one's face!  And when will VISION PRO not be worn on the face?  Well, when Apple comes out with the Apple HoloDeck version, that's when!  And I assure you, that HoloDeck version won't be out in my lifetime.

Therefore, people who complain about weight will just need to get over it because it's not going away anytime soon.  You can make it lighter than now, but never light enough to satisfy the "it weighs too much" people.

avon b7 said:

Xed said:

mikethemartian said:

I thought one of Apple’s principles was that, unlike other companies, they didn’t release products before they could do them right and now they are saying that won’t happen until probably Gen 4.

Let me see if I understand what you're saying, you thought one of Apple's principles was that it doesn't release a product in a product category until that product is perfect? As in, there's no further benefit that can ever be made to that product because it's already perfect? If so, then you've grossly misunderstood why Apple released the original iPod, iPad, iPhone, various Macs, Watch, Apple TV, and Vision Pro as they did. These all encountered many changes in HW and SW that made them better, but they all started off as being great foundations. For example, we're almost a decade into having the Apple watch and you can still use your original Watch band with a new Watch and vice versa. That isn't to say this won't ever change, but it's a testament to trial and error in a lab and making your focal point to a design that will last, over simply throwing anything at a wall and hoping something sticks so you can turn a quick profit to shore up your quarterly earnings so the CEO can be headhunted by another company looking to give him a larger paycheck.

He's playing off what some people claim (over and over), that Apple doesn't release so called 'half baked' products. It's always to 'justify' why Apple hasn't released this or that feature/product and, in the opinions of the people who claim that, other manufacturers do release half baked products. 

It's a line that was never true but still gets touted every time someone says Apple should have something that others have had for a while. 

With the VP, Apple has run into a lot of the problems all manufacturers have had. Perhaps it was announced/released too early. Time will tell, although it certainly seems like some aspects are not quite ready for prime time. Enough, globally, to justify baking for another 6/12 months before release? 

Irrespective of that, literally everyone in the market has a roadmap to the same objectives and they will be met at some point.