Xed

Not the first time a tutorial for a new usage model from Apple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvcwFYPiKKA

Kierkegaarden said:

9secondkox2 said:

Asus and xreal are further along than anyone so far. In terms of concept and form factor. Apple looks to be quite ahead in specs compared to everyone. 

That’s the concept apple should have pursued. Makes the vp look kinda outdated as a concept. 

And then there is the price. 

The Vision Pro is an actual product, not a concept — and it is backed by a larger app library than any of their competitors.  And I don’t believe the form factor that you prefer is practical, or even possible any time soon if ever.

On top of that, Appe's vertical integration of HW and horizontal developer tools put Apple in a position that all others envy.

I don't know how to quantify this so I will clearly phrase it as a feeling: I feel like there was a lot more doubt about the success and utility of the iPad when it was introduced in 2010. That was a product whose purpose I saw right away even though I knew I would always primary be a Mac notebook user when stationary and a smartphone user when mobile. I could see right away that an OS that was not macOS, but iOS with a UI designed around the form factor was going to be the truly great personal, everyday computer  for both many that are technically savvy but for a great many more that aren't. It finally helped bring a much older generation into the computing world with much more joy than the old PC that would get used when it just had to be done on a bigger display. Remember the 1990s computer nook in new homes?

I still don't know what AVP means for me and until I do I won't get one, but I am excited to see where AVP takes the market; and unlike certain others, I am not expecting everyone buy Apple to be leading the market now Apple has thrown its hat visor into the ring. 

danvm said:

Xed said:

danvm said:

nubus said:

tech_traveller said:

Does it really matter?

It hurts. M$ copied the Mac - it can never be #1. And then MS lost on mobile, on tablets (at least round one), on MP3 players (Zune), and AWS started eating into their server business. And now that company is worth more than Apple. And the main reason for that is Apple.

So, Mac and iPad sales are dropping big time, iPhone is static, R&D is going to an Apple Car that seems stuck, and then Microsoft understood AI, while we in 2023 had the same old Siri and the option to buy a new HomePod, which was exactly the same as... the old HomePod. Flatlining companies don't attract the best talents. We need for Apple to grow, add more users, and enter big markets (cars). Competing with Zuckerberg on doing the heaviest headset is taking away talent, and now MS is once again #1.

From what I know, both MS and Apple copied Xerox, so I suppose they are the one supposed to be hurt, right?

Apple asked for permission to tour Xerox PARC and there were some that, as I recall, were not too happy about both the touring and the slowed use of their concept being implemented legally by Apple. In an alternate reality Xerox would've had more people higher up that would've seen what brilliant inventors they had and it would be Xerox having to defend itself from having too many monopoles on the world's most popular tech. It's kinda sad to see Xerox fall so far in my lifetime.

I don't recall ever reading about MS getting such permission.

I just pointed out that MS and Apple copied from Xerox.  What this has to do with asking for permission?

You really don't understand what permission and licensing has to do with the ethically of using someone else's IP? 

danvm said:

nubus said:

tech_traveller said:

Does it really matter?

It hurts. M$ copied the Mac - it can never be #1. And then MS lost on mobile, on tablets (at least round one), on MP3 players (Zune), and AWS started eating into their server business. And now that company is worth more than Apple. And the main reason for that is Apple.

So, Mac and iPad sales are dropping big time, iPhone is static, R&D is going to an Apple Car that seems stuck, and then Microsoft understood AI, while we in 2023 had the same old Siri and the option to buy a new HomePod, which was exactly the same as... the old HomePod. Flatlining companies don't attract the best talents. We need for Apple to grow, add more users, and enter big markets (cars). Competing with Zuckerberg on doing the heaviest headset is taking away talent, and now MS is once again #1.

From what I know, both MS and Apple copied Xerox, so I suppose they are the one supposed to be hurt, right?

Apple asked for permission to tour Xerox PARC and there were some that, as I recall, were not too happy about both the touring and the slowed use of their concept being implemented legally by Apple. In an alternate reality Xerox would've had more people higher up that would've seen what brilliant inventors they had and it would be Xerox having to defend itself from having too many monopoles on the world's most popular tech. It's kinda sad to see Xerox fall so far in my lifetime.

I don't recall ever reading about MS getting such permission.

charlesn said:

Xed said:

I love the concept of the Dynamic Island and maybe it was always meant to be more of a sublet feature, but I do feel that its full potential has been fully realized (read: implemented) yet by Apple. What that potential is I cannot say, but every time I think about it I get this niggle that something seemingly obvious has been overlooked.

Shades of the Mac Touch Bar and 3D Touch on the iPhone, Apple seems to develop these genuinely interesting new ways to interact with a device, which then fail to attract much third party support or more robust development from Apple and then get dropped. Dynamic Island seems to be an obvious placeholder until Apple figures out how to do what other phone manufacturers have been doing for a while--put an all screen display on iPhone, unencumbered by a notch or an island or anything else. I"m not sure what's taking Apple so long. 

And now Macs now have a notch when the iPhone no longer does and seemingly no movement in getting Face ID HW into that space to make the large notch worth the effort. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯