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doggone said:

longfang said:

williamh said:

I saw the finewoven case at the Pentagon City Apple Store on Friday and it seemed not that high quality and overpriced.  I'd prefer the silicone case to finewoven.  

Honestly asking, what is the environmental issue with the leather case?   The leather cases are reusing the wrapping from my beef, it's not like cows are produced to use for iPhone cases and the meat is an afterthought is it?   Is the process of making the leather and using it worse than just composting the cow hides?  What is it?  I know my tone might seem snarky but seriously isn't there just an enormous amount of cowhide out there?  Wouldn't an iPhone case be better than tossing it?

The chemicals and water used during the tanning process would probably be a big part of it.

I agree, leather is a by product of the food industry.  It also is a natural product and ages extremely well.  I've had the Apple leather case for 2 years and it is only now starting to break up at the edges after a lot of abuse.
I will be looking for a leather case from another provider.  Any suggestions?  I saw someone mention Nomad

avon b7 said:

Xed said:

avon b7 said:

Xed said:

MplsP said:

Anilu_777 said:

timbck2_67 said:

M68000 said:

I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a.     Has anybody seen cars with usb-c?  If so,  what brand?

My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well. 

My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so  
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports
Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C
every single airplane I've been on has USB A

8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.

You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.

2016. I remember the posts.

USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.

No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me. 

It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't. 

Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there! 

Seven years on they are still around on many devices. 

Well, then you can also prove it.

I don't recall what year Apple made it clear they were adopting USB-C, but I do seem to recall a lot of bellyaching about how Apple (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't adopt USB-C until it's the most popular standard. Do you not see a logical problem with such a statement? I certainly do.


Here's an article from 2018 where AI's own William Gallagher writes a detailed op-ed suggesting that the iPhone move to USB-C in 2019 and that it's long overdue. I didn't post on that article but I do agree with his sentiment and glad that it's finally happening.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/11/01/apple-please-move-us-all-to-usb-c-across-the-board-with-the-2019-iphone


Here's another article explaining USB-C in its many forms when the Mac notebooks started going all in. You even comment saying, "as things stand, it is one complete cabling mess. The use of one port just compounds the problem for the average user," which someone could easily remember as you simply being against USB-C. I don't take it as such but I have the luxury of looking at your comment with fresh eyes, and not 7 years later.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/16/11/16/everything-you-need-to-know-about-usb-c-thunderbolt-3-on-apples-new-macbook-pro


So, again, where exactly are these posts from everyone claiming that USB-A was dead? I haven't even found one comment that suggested that in two very prominent articles about USB-C adoption in Apple devices. I'd wager some stupid poster has made such a comment from time to time, but it's certainly not the common thread of the discussions that would lead anyone to think that USB-A was never going to be used again by anyone

Back in the day when Apple released its all USB-C laptop there were lots of comments defending the move and proclaiming USB-C as the future and anything that came before it as legacy. Legacy meaning 'not needed', 'dead'.

This place was full of such comments. I don't remember anyone being anti-Usb-c and saying Apple should wait until it was widespread before adopting it. 

I definitely wasn't anti USB-C and I wrote a lot on the subject as, at the time, I was ready and waiting for the release of that line of MacBook Pro. When it arrived with only USB-C and with a massive price tag, I backed off. 

That was also the beginning of the butterfly saga too. 

My point, and that of others, was that wholesale switch simply wasn't necessary. It was a major inconvenience and required extra cables or docks just to connect to existing equipment.

Competitors were including docks in the box. Apple wasn't.

A more reasonable approach would have been to add a USB-C port or two, and then transition in a classic sense. 

Apple didn't do that and it was a pain point as a result. Decent docks back then were around $300 and USB-C was not common on external devices (or cheap). It took years for that to happen. 

MplsP said:

avon b7 said:

Xed said:

MplsP said:

Anilu_777 said:

timbck2_67 said:

M68000 said:

I think there will be big demand for usb-a to usb-c cables because every somewhat newer car i’ve seen has usb-a.     Has anybody seen cars with usb-c?  If so,  what brand?

My Polestar 2 has only USB-C ports. I’m guessing that Polestar’s sister company Volvo has switched to them as well. 

My 2020 RAV4 only has USB-A ports so  
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

My 2020 Tesla Model Y has 1 USB A and 3-USB C ports
Most rental cars I've driven have USB A but some have USB C
every single airplane I've been on has USB A

8 years after Phil Schiller proclaimed 'USB C is the future' and everyone here on AI claimed USB A was dead, USB A appears to be alive and well.

You're claiming that everyone on this forum said USB-A was dead 8 years ago, but how about you find just one person that said it. USB-C was clearly the future of USB, but like all things, it takes time. Even when USB-C becomes the defect standard—of which automobiles were always going to be one of the last holdouts—it still own't mean that USB-A is dead. We can go 20 years into the future and USB-A will still not be dead, just as VGA, serial and many other obsoleted data standards are not dead even if most of use don't see or use them any longer.

2016. I remember the posts.

USB-A was so 'dead' in many people's eyes that they were already calling it legacy (along with every other port!) and wouldn't hear of anything that said the two connectors (and all the others) could even coexist, and that is what most so-called 'whiners' were, erm, 'whining about.

No one disputed it being the future. The problem is that the word transition normally means, transition, not wholesale switch. That's what irked people like me. 

It was good for dock manufacturers though. A decent one could cost as much as $300 back then. Some manufacturers decided to include one in the box. Apple didn't. 

Then the iMac got updated and, oh dear, the silence was deafening. All those 'legacy' ports were still there! 

Seven years on they are still around on many devices. 

Thank you. You are spot on in your assessments. I was roundly criticized for having the gall to suggest that the MacBooks should have at least one USB A port. I also distinctly remember going in to my local Apple Store and having trouble finding any USB C peripherals - all the items on their shelves were USB A. But God forbid I question Apple.

The thing is, USB A works perfectly well for many (probably the majority of) devices. A mouse doesn't need anything beyond USB 1. Keyborads don't, either. Many USB C devices don't operate beyond USB 3.2 speeds which can be had with a USB A connector. Clearly, USB C allows for future growth and new capabilities but most of those 2016 MBPs are already gone and USB A is still going around.