robaba said:

For those who don’t have the time to check, these are the finding of facts that are a attached to HR 6210:

Congress finds the following:

(1) In the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China, the Government of the People’s Republic of China has, since 2017, arbitrarily detained as many as 1.8 million Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and members of other Muslim minority groups in a system of extrajudicial mass internment camps, and has subjected detainees to forced labor, torture, political indoctrination, and other severe human rights abuses.

(2) Forced labor exists within the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region’s system of mass internment camps, and throughout the region, and is confirmed by the testimony of former camp detainees, satellite imagery, and official leaked documents from the Government of the People’s Republic of China as part of a targeted campaign of repression of Muslim ethnic minorities.

(3) In addition to reports from researchers and civil society groups documenting evidence that many factories and other suppliers in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region are exploiting forced labor, the Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security on July 22, 2020, added eleven entities to the entity list after determining the entities had been “implicated in human rights violations and abuses in the implementation of China’s campaign of repression, mass arbitrary detention, forced labor and high-technology surveillance against Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other members of Muslim minority groups in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region”. 

(4) Audits and efforts to vet products and supply chains in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region are unreliable due to the extent forced labor has been integrated into the regional economy, the mixing of involuntary labor with voluntary labor, the inability of witnesses to speak freely about working conditions given government surveillance and coercion, and the incentive of government officials to conceal government-sponsored forced labor. 

(5) The Department of State’s June 2019 Trafficking in Persons Report found that “Authorities offer subsidies incentivizing Chinese companies to open factories in close proximity to the internment camps, and local governments receive additional funds for each inmate forced to work in these sites at a fraction of minimum wage or without any compensation.”.

(6) U.S. Customs and Border Protection has issued eight “Withhold Release Orders” on certain garments, hair products, cotton, processed cotton, and computer parts suspected to be produced with prison or forced labor in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. 

(7) In its 2019 Annual Report, the Congressional-Executive Commission on China (CECC) found that products reportedly produced with forced labor by current and former mass internment camp detainees included textiles, electronics, food products, shoes, tea, and handicrafts.

(8) Section 307 of the Tariff Act of 1930 (19 U.S.C. 1307) states that it is illegal to import into the United States “goods, wares, articles, and merchandise mined, produced, or manufactured wholly or in part” by forced labor. Such merchandise is subject to exclusion or seizure and may lead to criminal investigation of the importer.

(9) The policies of the Government of the People’s Republic of China are in contravention of international human rights instruments signed by that government, including—

(A) the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which the People’s Republic of China has signed but not yet ratified;

(B) the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights, ratified by the People’s Republic of China in 2001; and

(C) the United Nations Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children (Palermo Protocol), to which the People’s Republic of China has been a state party since February 2010.

robaba said:

waveparticle said:

crowley said:

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

Waiting for "The Chinese Media", aka bot farms, to downplay the following as well, "clearly driven by the political correctness of Sinophobia";

https://uyghurtribunal.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/UT-judgment-version-for-approval-by-GN-07.25-2.pdf

H.R.6210 - Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6210

It is amazing US Congress can pass an act without listing any verifiable evidence. This is democracy!

      

Not even pretending that distraction isn't the objective.  Wear your bias and subversion with pride comrade!

This Act has the same spirit of Chinese Exclusion Act that US Congress passed in 1870. That Act is also passed without listing any verifiable evidence. US is representing the bad part of democracy, phony democracy that a law can be passed by a majority vote without evidence. 

Wow-that’s quite a claim, since the Chinese Exclusion Act is perhaps the high water mark for anti Chinese (and Japanese, and Thai, and Vietnamese, etc since they were often lumped under the same rubric). Do you have any direct evidence from the bill itself that would demonstrate the same or similar levels of blatant racism?  I’ve looked but apparently I’m not seeing what you are seeing.

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

crowley said:

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20211211-as-eu-taiwan-ties-deepen-cybersecurity-is-front-and-centre?ref=tw

Relations between the European Union and Taiwan have taken a surprising turn over the past year, with European officials embracing diplomatic cooperation with the self-governed island even as Beijing ramps up its coercive attempts to isolate Taipei. As the EU finds common ground with Taiwan in the field of cybersecurity and resilience, experts say China’s tactics have inadvertently pushed the bloc closer to Taipei.

President Xi Jinping’s increasingly aggressive policy at home and abroad has provoked greater wariness and even outrage in the EU, which has become increasingly aware of the threats from China, particularly in the form of disinformation and influence campaigns.

But, but, everybody loves the "peaceful" PRC...

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/it-will-really-poke-the-panda-new-zealand-s-defence-document-breaks-new-ground-on-china-20211211-p59grc.html

In the last few weeks, Australian, Fijian, New Zealand and Papua New Guinean peacekeepers were deployed to the Solomon Islands to stabilise the situation for a pro-China leader, alleged to have used a Chinese government slush fund to bribe militants to withdraw support from the violent protests in Honiara. CCP-mouthpiece Global Times, approvingly praised the arrival of the foreign forces in the Solomons to restore order.

The situation is invidious, but New Zealand and Australia’s longstanding timidity on publicly confronting China’s malign activities in the Pacific meant that it was inevitable they would find themselves using their militaries to protect Chinese interests in the Pacific.

On December 6, despite a mountain of damning evidence of his unfitness for office going back many years, Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare easily survived a non-confidence vote in the Solomons Parliament. All those who voted in support of Sogavare had allegedly been promised money from the Chinese-backed fund.

Just two days after this vote, the New Zealand government published its 2021 Defence Assessment, a comprehensive look at the challenges facing the country from a defence and security perspective. In Australia, there is a perception that New Zealand has been too timid in its approach to China. This new assessment should put an end to that; it will really poke the panda.

It lays out New Zealand’s deep concerns about the risk of China stationing its military in the South Pacific. Local conflicts, such as the Honiara riots, could provide the catalyst for such a move.

The 2021 Defence Assessment asserts that if a state that did not share New Zealand’s values and security interests – read China – set up a military base or dual-use facility in the Pacific, it would be among the most serious security threats facing New Zealand.

It is a situation that parallels the acute danger posed for New Zealand and Australia by Axis powers like Japan – or Vichy France – controlling Pacific island territories in World War II. New Zealand’s 2021 Defence Assessment closely parallels and references the findings of Australia’s 2020 Strategic Update.

everybody lives in fear of mighty New Zealand.  They are pretty good at making motion pictures though.

Strategic location in the South Pacific and near Antarctica, and is a setback for the PRC's strategic interests.

If you had any concept of the Pacific War, you would understand why China is attempting inroads in the South Pacific; to constrain Australia's and New Zealand's supply lines.

Some believe that the PRC will attempt to commercialize its site(s) in Antartica as well, something that is banned by treaty that the PRC is a signatory of, but when has that ever stopped them?

https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/the-deep-seabed-is-chinas-next-target

New Zealand and Australia mean little to China -- they're just U.S. minions.

But let's talk about Nicaragua

And instead of hypotheticals about Antarctica, let's talk about who is breaking treaties to militarize space.  Does China have a "Space Force"?

You really don't have a clue of what China is doing militarily, but of course, you will continue to defend them. 

Sick.

That's your trouble:  I DO know what's going on -- because I'm not blinded by hate and ideology.

Unlike the U.S., China does not intend to expand militarily.  (Although they will defend what is theirs).

Well, China is indeed intent on expanding what is theirs...even if it actually isn't.


Let's talk about economies, as an adjunct to your previous post;

Nicaragua's;

$13.118 billion

...and New Zealand's;

US $193.545 billion

...and Australia's;

US $1.5 Trillion

...and the U.S.;

US $22.675 Trillion

...and the PRC;

US $15.6 Trillion

So Australia, with a population of 25.67 Million, has an economy 1/10 the size of the PRC.

New Zealand has a population of just over 5 million, and Nicaragua 6.6 million, but New Zealand has 15 times the economy.

So let's throw in the PRC's primary ally; Russia with a population of 145 million

US $1.71 Trillion, a bit bigger than the economy of Australia.

How about we throw in Canada, UK and the EU.

Canada US $1.9 Trillion, 

UK US $ 2.83 Trillion

EU US $15 Trillion, about the same size as the PRC.

Funny how the democracies of the world are all stronger than the autocracies.

Do you know who invented the word 'developed nation'?

I sure bet it’s really relevant to the conversation!

You failed to understand he attributes it to democracies. 

Yep.

Why would that be?

Because historically, state run economies do much worse, by far, than democracies and capitalism.

Japan was not a democracy before 1945. 

Funny how he bases the value of democracy on how the rich the rich are.

In 1946, Japan was directed by General MacAuthor to institute democratic practices, so yeah, Japan got a huge head start over the PRC, which as we all know, is still entirely authoritarian. At the same time, Xi Jinping is "moderating" China's capitalism, with the result that the PRC is even more involved in the economy, likely for a weaker result than his predecessors.

In the meantime, China's economy is slowing, and the birthrate is likely to fall to the point that the population will halve by 2060.

Japan was well ahead of China. In 1895 Japan defeated China forcing China to cede Taiwan to it for 50 years until 1945.

...and Japan ceded it to the Nationalists, not the CCP.

StrangeDays said:

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

Waiting for "The Chinese Media", aka bot farms, to downplay the following as well, "clearly driven by the political correctness of Sinophobia";

https://uyghurtribunal.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/UT-judgment-version-for-approval-by-GN-07.25-2.pdf

H.R.6210 - Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6210

It is amazing US Congress can pass an act without listing any verifiable evidence. This is democracy!

https://uyghurtribunal.com/news/witness-after-witness-hundreds-reveal-the-atrocities-of-chinas-concentration-camps/

Of course, it would be easier to verify if the PRC was an open society...

So it is not verified yet. How could US Congress pass an Act that is not verified yet? 

The UN has said they have credible reports:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un/u-n-says-it-has-credible-reports-that-china-holds-million-uighurs-in-secret-camps-idUSKBN1KV1SU

Confirming what an ex-guard who escaped said:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/04/china/xinjiang-detective-torture-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

And number other reports:

Genocide finding:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/asia/china-uyghurs-xinjiang-genocide-report-intl-hnk/index.html

Organ harvesting:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646 

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9 

Camps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un/u-n-says-it-has-credible-reports-that-china-holds-million-uighurs-in-secret-camps-idUSKBN1KV1SU

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/uighurs/ 

...there's so much smoke here it's not even a question of whether there's fire. China has an abysmal human rights record and if anything is only getting worse. The army of astroturfers tasked with muddying the waters will not make this go away.

crowley said:

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

Waiting for "The Chinese Media", aka bot farms, to downplay the following as well, "clearly driven by the political correctness of Sinophobia";

https://uyghurtribunal.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/UT-judgment-version-for-approval-by-GN-07.25-2.pdf

H.R.6210 - Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6210

It is amazing US Congress can pass an act without listing any verifiable evidence. This is democracy!

      

Not even pretending that distraction isn't the objective.  Wear your bias and subversion with pride comrade!