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gatorguy said:

rob53 said:

avon b7 said:

This:

"Specifically, we are concerned that the interoperability requirements of the DMA could force us to compromise the integrity of our products in ways that risk user privacy and data security," said Apple. "We are committed to collaborating with the European Commission in an attempt to find a solution that would enable us to deliver these features to our EU customers without compromising their safety."

And then this:

"From previous statements including ones to AppleInsider, it's known that Apple has been continually working with the EU on its responses to the DMA, so it's reasonable to assume that will continue.

Leads to the question: Why even bother putting the subject into the public domain if communication and clarification are ongoing? 

Far better to say as little as possible until things are clarified. All it takes is clarification and all for a roll out that isn't even planned for this year! 

Basically FUD on Apple's part and Vestager has a valid point in her response to a question that wouldn't have been asked if it weren't for Apple. 

Basically FUD on the part of EU-loving commenters. Apple has a right to provide whatever capabilities it wants to in whatever country/region it wants to. You're buying a product with certain features. There's nothing that says Apple has to provide the EU with everything it has the capability of including. The EU can demand Apple provide everything but that's not the way companies work. This is a brand new Apple capability and Apple has the right to provide it when they feel it's ready, not when a corrupt EU demands it. At this point, I feel Apple is well within its rights to start charging for features in countries it wants to. As far as I'm concerned, Apple should start charging for macOS, iOS, tvOS, iPadOS along with every Apple app and feature it wants to. I'd like to see the EU try and force Apple to provide everything for free. It isn't going to happen.

Vestager is not suggesting that Apple needs to deliver AI features to EU users. What she notes is that Apple's statement seems to imply they are not anxious to offer features where competition will be required. Not that it matters in the real world since Apple isn't rolling out some of those features this fall outside of the US and in English anyway, correct? If so, why did Apple say anything at all? My sense is it's a negotiating tactic.

foregoneconclusion said:

Apple was fined $1.8 billion for the complete fantasy that Apple Music harmed streaming competition so it’s understandable that they would be slow to roll out certain features in the EU. 

Note that Vestager is implying that Apple’s version of AI is somehow anticompetitive even though it isn’t available anywhere in the world at the moment and AI products are flooding the overall martket.

macinscott said:

If anything, the lower sales volume of the Mac Studio and Mac Pro should make those machines among the first to get the new M4 chips. What does it say to professionals when the entry level product lines consistently get the newest technology? I understand if the Max, Ultra or rumored Extreme versions of the M4 aren't ready yet, but Apple should at the very least release a M4 and M4 Pro Mac mini as soon as possible. Those aren't high sellers either so they wouldn't cannibalize too many of the M4 chips from other devices.

It just becomes problematic when an iPad Pro has a M4 chip and other prosumer and professional Macs are behind. It also creates confusion in the marketplace because many buyers won't know that a M2 Max is faster than a M4 chip. They will just assume the higher number means better.

veteranbicycle said:

keithw said:

Another bone-headed move by Apple if true! Who in their right mind would buy an M2 Studio at this point?   There will be no M3 Studio.  I don’t want or need a high-end laptop, M3, M4, whatever.  I want the I/O capability afforded by the Studio line.  Let’s get the M4 Studio line out sooner than later!

I have an M2 Max Mac Studio. I don't want a faster Mac - I want my M2 iPad Pro to let me work when I'm not at my desk. I was ready to completely give up on Apple - I don't say this lightly - when they decided to try gaslighting us again into hoping that someday this would happen. I am not falling for it a third time - I'm not buying an M4 iPad Pro until it can run MacOS apps and/or VMs and multitask.

Until then, I just use my iPad Pro to take notes and do Sudoku. I don't even have Netflix, and I can't even use adblockers in Firefox so I don't watch videos on it at all.

spheric said:

ctt_zh said:

twleve said:

Silver_Fox said:

Hopefully that won’t effect us here in England
Thank god for Brexit.

Certainly hope it won't affect us, else I will need to change my Apple ID to a different country. Will that work?

Why would it affect England? You've left the EU, it only affects the EU…

A big part of post-Brexit awakening has been the realisation that in order to do business with the EU, which they kind of need to in order to survive, their products and services need to comply with EU regulations. So a lot of laws remain the same or become needlessly more complicated, because multiple standards need to be followed now. Of course, major parts of EU legislation were actually written by the British... 

Also, the UK is — of course — running its own, similar investigation into Apple's conduct, even without the DMA. As are Japan, Australia, and — yep — even the United States. 

All of those places are watching very closely, and you can BET that it's a matter of a few years before remarkably similar legislation shows up in those other countries…