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davgreg said:

I have pretty much given up on Apple laptops and recently purchased a Surface Pro as a “real computer” companion to my iPad Pro 12.9.

macxpress said:

Apple developing a laptop aimed at gamers???? LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

What gamer is going to buy a Mac?

xyzzy-xxx said:

Nearly nobody uses the Apple (Magic) Mouse 

davgreg said:

Only Apple would have the cojones to make a cheap plastic pencil that expensive and generally useless.

I have one of the originals and it sits in the bottom of a laptop bag unused. A good stylus/pencil would be appreciated  and neither the one I own or the new one seem to be worth the trouble or expense.

tribalogical said:

We westerners would find it unbearable, 

tribalogical said:

It's important to remember that we don't get to impose our own standards and principles on others. If the Chinese People aren't happy with their government, history shows us that they can and will rise up en masse should things get out of hand there. Most don't really care about having unfettered access to the world. My Chinese friends could care less about "missing Facebook". They have their own equivalents anyway, and feel little restriction on their daily lives. We westerners would find it unbearable, but for them, it's a good kind of normal. Familiar, comfortable, and they enjoy a civil, predictable society... Apple wants to do business in the most populous country in the world. That country happens to be very different from us culturally. I don't think Apple would agree to "snoop ware" being installed from the factory, but they're not going to push back on blocking VPNs and so on. Those are simply not OK in China... What would YOU do? Walk away from a hundred billion in business, or just accept their national policies?

So what you’re really saying is, values are meaningless in the face of money. This is the same argument Trump makes about the Saudi journalist. We just can’t afford to lose the business.  So when other countries start killing opposition voices, we should just sit back, relax and not care as long as the dollars flow. Same goes for iCloud. Who cares if the Chinese government is completely at odds with Apple’s (supposed) values so long as Apple sells lots of iPhones. No wonder our country is falling apart. We have completely lost the very notion of morals and values. We don’t even pretend to fight for them anymore. On this issue, Cook is a total hypocrite. And when it comes to gay rights in Saudi Arabia (as well as China), he’s something even worse. 

robbyx said:

tribalogical said:

It's important to remember that we don't get to impose our own standards and principles on others. If the Chinese People aren't happy with their government, history shows us that they can and will rise up en masse should things get out of hand there. Most don't really care about having unfettered access to the world. My Chinese friends could care less about "missing Facebook". They have their own equivalents anyway, and feel little restriction on their daily lives. We westerners would find it unbearable, but for them, it's a good kind of normal. Familiar, comfortable, and they enjoy a civil, predictable society... Apple wants to do business in the most populous country in the world. That country happens to be very different from us culturally. I don't think Apple would agree to "snoop ware" being installed from the factory, but they're not going to push back on blocking VPNs and so on. Those are simply not OK in China... What would YOU do? Walk away from a hundred billion in business, or just accept their national policies?

So what you’re really saying is, values are meaningless in the face of money.