Sometimes rumor sites never cease to amaze me. They will post one thing and spew "CONFIRMED! CONFIRMED BY OUR SOURCES!" then it will be wrong or won't happen.
Then they say something else, like "Well, now it's 933, 1.1, and Dual 1 GHz OUR SOURCES TELL US!"
Philbot you have us wraped around your finger. To much info my donkey(a$$)!!! Why can't you tell us. You work at apple (or do you just want us to think you do) and afraid of getting fired? You started this topic whith "G5s next week: Certain" You still think we will see G5s this week or have your "sources" decided they have been delayed. Macosrumors claim they will not be released till MWNY. I think they should be releasedd at seybold. IF they are ready when will we see them????? Why don't you tell us something instead of posting stuff like "one more day" which was wrong.
That reminds me I should claim something to.
CONFIRMED, CERTAIN, FACT: G5s will be released at seybold. My sources tell me that they will have CPUs runnign at 1.2, 1.4, 1.6Ghz . DDR RAM AND A 400MHZ BUS. 80Gb, 100Gb, and 120GB hardrives at 10,000rpm. Prices have not been decided but apple wants to drop the price 200$ on all models. Powerbooks will be updated to 733Mhz and 867Mhz. ........................
disclaimer: If none or only part of what I have said comes to pass it is because of a delay and is not do to the fact I made this all up....
[quote] Assuming the G5 is fabbed and ready to go, it would be wise for Apple to expand their matrix like they held onto the crt imacs along with the lcd's... Keep the speedbumped quicksilvers starting around 1200 and bring the g5 along starting at 2000 or so... let the pro's have what they want (an incredible g5 tower), and are willing to pay for.. let the prosumer have what it wants (an expandible g4 tower) at a lower price point.. Apple can keep their margins without having to introduce the g5 at current price points, and those who REALLY need the speed of the g5 can get it at a premium.. <hr></blockquote>
This is what I think Apple is about to do. If they dropped the price of the Powermac G4s enough, it could solve the problem of there being no consumer towers. It would also let Apple price the Powermac G5s even higher, and really rake in the dough with high margins on these computers.
Philbot is playing games, I don't know about him. He's certain, yet he won't say why or how, and his only prediction so far is totally wrong.
[quote] Philbot is playing games, I don't know about him. He's certain, yet he won't say why or how, and his only prediction so far is totally wrong. <hr></blockquote>
You got me! My prediction that the G5 would be announced this week looks like it ain't gonna happen. Sorry! <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
I was given the impression it was ready to roll in a few weeks and pre-orders would be taken - like the iMac.
But I DO know the G5 IS ready!!!
AND it will blow you away. Way beyond... (let's not start that again!)
I am pretty sure Apple are putting chips in cases as we speak but you're right - the announcement hasn't come when I thought it would.
Rgardless of HOW correct Philbot may or may not be, I believe that he is right about the G5 in production. I worked at a company that provided equipment for the fabs at motorola two years back and we interacted with the R&D guys at Motorola (we hired a few too). Back then they knew the G4 process was in shambles and they were already starting on the G5 (design). The fabs have been in chaos at that time and since, but the R&D has been pretty good, I'd lay money that the G5 has been built, has been run through preproduction lines and probably is slated for if not already being produced.
Don't know if motorola is using their own fab, but there are also the mobo chips that have to be implemented (esp if new technology is to be introduced) and new designs that may be at issue. Relative to the G4 - moto sucks; but no one but Appls knows the status of G5 machines. But I think by this summer we will find out
Expected sometime in 2001, Motorola's PowerPC 7500 or G5 processor is likely to ship at initial speeds of around 2GHz. The G5 will be available in both 32-bit and 64-bit processor configurations. The 64-bit G5 will be capable of running 32-bit software natively, with little to no reprogramming, giving it a huge advantage over Intel's Itanium which will only run 32-bit application in emulation mode.
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Just one example of how late the G5 is according to reports from 2 years ago.
Philbot, It seems certain that you are certain. You are really certain the G5s are ready. Why can't you tell us any thing about them.
I don't really care about PowerMacs anyway. Do you know anything about a new PowerBook release. Maybe a PowerBook G5. I want to know whether to renew my warrenty on my 400Mhz PowerBook G4 or not. I don't want to spend 350$ if new ones are about to come out. Any info would be appreciated.
Multicore means there are two CPU cores on one physical piece of silicon. They would be connected to eachother using a very high bandwidth high speed connection and allow you to have dual processor performance in one processor package. The IBM Power4 processor is a recent example of a multicore CPU as it has 2 CPUs per silicon die sharing 1.5MB of on die L2 cache. (You also have the option for 128MB of L3 cache :eek: )
Wheter the G5 is mulitcored remains to be seen, at current geometries I have my doubts we would see a multicore version yet. Maybe at the .09 micron. It will NOT be 2 G4 cores together, as designing the G5 as an entirely new processor.
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Then they say something else, like "Well, now it's 933, 1.1, and Dual 1 GHz OUR SOURCES TELL US!"
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
It's sad how many people take some of these sites as fact. (I know, not necessarily MOSR), but sites like MacUser, MacMinute, etc.
And don't tell me they're reliable. They predicted we'd be having G3 flat panel iMacs and new G4 towers with 800, 933, and Dual 1 GHz G4s by now.
"too much information "
Hehe, I saw your original post Phil. I hope that's true and if Apple is sitting on stuff like that, they need to release it SOON!!!
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> :eek: <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
Ah hell, while I;m having fun with smilies....
I was like
Sorry bout that.
That reminds me I should claim something to.
CONFIRMED, CERTAIN, FACT: G5s will be released at seybold. My sources tell me that they will have CPUs runnign at 1.2, 1.4, 1.6Ghz . DDR RAM AND A 400MHZ BUS. 80Gb, 100Gb, and 120GB hardrives at 10,000rpm. Prices have not been decided but apple wants to drop the price 200$ on all models. Powerbooks will be updated to 733Mhz and 867Mhz. ........................
disclaimer: If none or only part of what I have said comes to pass it is because of a delay and is not do to the fact I made this all up....
This is what I think Apple is about to do. If they dropped the price of the Powermac G4s enough, it could solve the problem of there being no consumer towers. It would also let Apple price the Powermac G5s even higher, and really rake in the dough with high margins on these computers.
Philbot is playing games, I don't know about him. He's certain, yet he won't say why or how, and his only prediction so far is totally wrong.
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IIRC, it's missing an FPU,among other things.
BTW: MIPS = Meaningless Index of Performance.
<a href="http://www.futuretech.vuurwerk.nl/perf.html"; target="_blank">http://www.futuretech.vuurwerk.nl/perf.html</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;
interesting link. thanks :-)
You got me! My prediction that the G5 would be announced this week looks like it ain't gonna happen. Sorry! <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
I was given the impression it was ready to roll in a few weeks and pre-orders would be taken - like the iMac.
But I DO know the G5 IS ready!!!
AND it will blow you away. Way beyond... (let's not start that again!)
I am pretty sure Apple are putting chips in cases as we speak but you're right - the announcement hasn't come when I thought it would.
Wishful thinking on my part I think.
Don't know if motorola is using their own fab, but there are also the mobo chips that have to be implemented (esp if new technology is to be introduced) and new designs that may be at issue. Relative to the G4 - moto sucks; but no one but Appls knows the status of G5 machines. But I think by this summer we will find out
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The 64-bit G5
Expected sometime in 2001, Motorola's PowerPC 7500 or G5 processor is likely to ship at initial speeds of around 2GHz. The G5 will be available in both 32-bit and 64-bit processor configurations. The 64-bit G5 will be capable of running 32-bit software natively, with little to no reprogramming, giving it a huge advantage over Intel's Itanium which will only run 32-bit application in emulation mode.
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Just one example of how late the G5 is according to reports from 2 years ago.
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I don't really care about PowerMacs anyway. Do you know anything about a new PowerBook release. Maybe a PowerBook G5. I want to know whether to renew my warrenty on my 400Mhz PowerBook G4 or not. I don't want to spend 350$ if new ones are about to come out. Any info would be appreciated.
<strong>philbot, your signature scares me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Its just a passage from Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".
So philSnot, and Mr. I got the dude wasted JYD - go blow dead goats.
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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I think all you can expect on the powerbooks is a speed bump for the time being.
Kormac's good, but a liitle freaky...
But you'll still have G5's sooner than you dare think even if I was wrong about last week.
So there!
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I heard somewhere that the G5 is a multicore chip. Is this true?
My understanding of multicore (in the case of the G5 if its true) means that its made from the core of 2 G4 chips.
Just trying to get the facts...
- Mark
<strong>Does anybody know what multicore means?
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Multicore means there are two CPU cores on one physical piece of silicon. They would be connected to eachother using a very high bandwidth high speed connection and allow you to have dual processor performance in one processor package. The IBM Power4 processor is a recent example of a multicore CPU as it has 2 CPUs per silicon die sharing 1.5MB of on die L2 cache. (You also have the option for 128MB of L3 cache :eek: )
Wheter the G5 is mulitcored remains to be seen, at current geometries I have my doubts we would see a multicore version yet. Maybe at the .09 micron. It will NOT be 2 G4 cores together, as designing the G5 as an entirely new processor.
Thanks.
- Mark
excellent title!