<strong>bush represents the four things that are worst about america and american society and "values"</strong><hr></blockquote>
The observer will note the use of the vague word 'represents'. This saves Flowerbob from the necessity of actually saying anything with substance.
Examples of "substance": "I disagree with Bush's statement that X." "I oppose a piece of legislation Y or executive order Z which Bush supports or promulgated."
Instead we have a treatment of Mr. Bush as a sort of symbolic literary figure.
If you don't have anything to say, why expend so much effort not doing it?
<strong>Bush can only "represent" the right-wing agenda, because he can not think for himself.</strong><hr></blockquote>
See above. What on earth does this mean? That he doesn't formulate his own policies, relying instead on staffers to do this? That he literally receives a faxed list of commandments every morning? That he tends to base his decisions on focus groups?
(suspected answer) Mandricard saw somebody say this on television once, and has now taken to repeating it. Hrm. We were talking about thinking for oneself, I thought.
Calling the current war a "crusade" wasn't exactly smart. FYI that was when Christians made an obscene intrusion on Islam ... and got their arses kicked. I bet that made our Islamic allies feel *great*.
Doh. No, hold on, not, "doh." HUGE INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC SCREWUP AT A CRUCIAL TIME.
Howabout that GREAT interview done before the "election" where Dub gets asked who the President of Pakistan is and he has to say, "Nope, don't know that one either." Not so damn funny now.
But hey, to be Pres all you need is a few weeks of briefings (no, previous travel experience not necessary) and you're ready to run a war!
<strong>(suspected answer) Mandricard saw somebody say this on television once, and has now taken to repeating it. Hrm. We were talking about thinking for oneself, I thought.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1) actually made that little analogy up myself. :cool:
2) ad hominem attacks are not refutations
3) no one needs to go into how ignorant of policy both foreign and domestic our president is. If you don't see it, I am sorry for you, but most do. (the list was started, but by no means ended, above.)
4) his pandering to the right-wing of his party (those who got him elected in the first place) is totally transparent. He may cast himself as moderate, but knows where his bread is buttered.
Anyway, this is not a "political argument" thread, but a "political affiliation" thread.
<strong>Calling the current war a "crusade" wasn't exactly smart. FYI that was when Christians made an obscene intrusion on Islam ... and got their arses kicked. I bet that made our Islamic allies feel *great*.</strong><hr></blockquote>FYI, the crusades were really about taking back what had previously been Judeo-Christian/Western cities, that were invaded and taken over by the Muslims in their own "crusades" against Christianity. So perhaps it IS an appropriate term.
You want proof G-Dub's a *dip*?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You want proof that Harald doesn't know what he's talking about?
[quote]<strong>Calling the current war a "crusade" wasn't exactly smart. FYI that was when Christians made an obscene intrusion on Islam ... </strong><hr></blockquote>
FYI the Crusades were a belated response to the intrusion of Islam on the Christian world. Modern Turkey was once at the heart of the Byzantine Empire. The Byzantine Empire was Christian. Instanbul was once called Constantinople after the Roman Emperor Constantine - allegedly the first Christian Roman Emperor.
[quote]<strong> .. and got their arses kicked.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, you got that part right. So what's bin Laden bitching about? The Muslims weren't victims of the Crusaders. They were victors over the Crusaders.
[quote]<strong>I bet that made our Islamic allies feel *great*.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If they knew their history, they may have indulged in an ironic chuckle.
[quote]<strong>Doh. No, hold on, not, "doh." HUGE INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC SCREWUP AT A CRUCIAL TIME.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No it wasn't. The Administration just took a step sideways and then moved on to more important matters.
[quote]<strong>Howabout that GREAT interview done before the "election" where Dub gets asked who the President of Pakistan is and he has to say, "Nope, don't know that one either." Not so damn funny now. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Quick now, who's the President of Uzbekistan?
[quote]<strong>But hey, to be Pres all you need is a few weeks of briefings (no, previous travel experience not necessary) and you're ready to run a war!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Comments
Independent/Armenian Tashnajak (I think)
(The only state ever to invade and conquer another!)
(before living in Britain for a year) apathetic Republican
(after living in Britain for a year) Broken Glass Republican
pride in and glorification of stupidity and ignorance
violence and war mongering
religiosity
inhumane exploitive and destructive capitalism
<strong>bush represents the four things that are worst about america and american society and "values"</strong><hr></blockquote>
The observer will note the use of the vague word 'represents'. This saves Flowerbob from the necessity of actually saying anything with substance.
Examples of "substance": "I disagree with Bush's statement that X." "I oppose a piece of legislation Y or executive order Z which Bush supports or promulgated."
Instead we have a treatment of Mr. Bush as a sort of symbolic literary figure.
If you don't have anything to say, why expend so much effort not doing it?
Instead of a quarterback, we have a water-boy.
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Mandricard ]</p>
<strong>Bush can only "represent" the right-wing agenda, because he can not think for himself.</strong><hr></blockquote>
See above. What on earth does this mean? That he doesn't formulate his own policies, relying instead on staffers to do this? That he literally receives a faxed list of commandments every morning? That he tends to base his decisions on focus groups?
(suspected answer) Mandricard saw somebody say this on television once, and has now taken to repeating it. Hrm. We were talking about thinking for oneself, I thought.
<strong>bush represents the four things that are worst about america and american society and "values":
pride in and glorification of stupidity and ignorance
violence and war mongering
religiosity
inhumane exploitive and destructive capitalism</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sound like a opinion to me
<strong>Bush can only "represent" the right-wing agenda, because he can not think for himself.
Instead of a quarterback, we have a water-boy.
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Mandricard ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just be glad Gore isn't in office. He would still be hiding under the desk
I'm in The Installers party
Pro Re-United Ireland
Pro Northern Ireland assembly
Pro IRA decommissioning
Anti an eye for an eye politics
Anti changing one dicatorship for another
Anti creation of civil war
Anti puppet regimes
<strong>I'm in The Installers party
Pro Re-United Ireland
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow... this Installer doesn't like partitions either!
No political affiliation (unless being a militant MacUser is an affiliation
<strong>I'm Scottish and proud to be a Conservative.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well there has to be at least 1. It must be quite loneley up there.
You want proof G-Dub's a *dip*?
Calling the current war a "crusade" wasn't exactly smart. FYI that was when Christians made an obscene intrusion on Islam ... and got their arses kicked. I bet that made our Islamic allies feel *great*.
Doh. No, hold on, not, "doh." HUGE INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC SCREWUP AT A CRUCIAL TIME.
Howabout that GREAT interview done before the "election" where Dub gets asked who the President of Pakistan is and he has to say, "Nope, don't know that one either." Not so damn funny now.
But hey, to be Pres all you need is a few weeks of briefings (no, previous travel experience not necessary) and you're ready to run a war!
Woohoo!
Technologist/Liberal/Democrat/Socialist/Individualist/Libertarian/Humanist/Independant/Loose Constructivist
Pro-Abortion
Pro-Drug legalization
Pro-Space Travel
Pro-Big Business (within monopoly law)
Anti-Guns (Pro Gun Control)
Anti-Death Penalty
Gore in '04! (it's the least we can do since he won the last election)
[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: bradbower ]</p>
<strong>(suspected answer) Mandricard saw somebody say this on television once, and has now taken to repeating it. Hrm. We were talking about thinking for oneself, I thought.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1) actually made that little analogy up myself. :cool:
2) ad hominem attacks are not refutations
3) no one needs to go into how ignorant of policy both foreign and domestic our president is. If you don't see it, I am sorry for you, but most do. (the list was started, but by no means ended, above.)
4) his pandering to the right-wing of his party (those who got him elected in the first place) is totally transparent. He may cast himself as moderate, but knows where his bread is buttered.
Anyway, this is not a "political argument" thread, but a "political affiliation" thread.
So...
Independent
Liberal
(ducking)
Mandricard
AppleOutsider
[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: Mandricard ]</p>
<strong>Calling the current war a "crusade" wasn't exactly smart. FYI that was when Christians made an obscene intrusion on Islam ... and got their arses kicked. I bet that made our Islamic allies feel *great*.</strong><hr></blockquote>FYI, the crusades were really about taking back what had previously been Judeo-Christian/Western cities, that were invaded and taken over by the Muslims in their own "crusades" against Christianity. So perhaps it IS an appropriate term.
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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You want proof G-Dub's a *dip*?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You want proof that Harald doesn't know what he's talking about?
[quote]<strong>Calling the current war a "crusade" wasn't exactly smart. FYI that was when Christians made an obscene intrusion on Islam ... </strong><hr></blockquote>
FYI the Crusades were a belated response to the intrusion of Islam on the Christian world. Modern Turkey was once at the heart of the Byzantine Empire. The Byzantine Empire was Christian. Instanbul was once called Constantinople after the Roman Emperor Constantine - allegedly the first Christian Roman Emperor.
[quote]<strong> .. and got their arses kicked.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, you got that part right. So what's bin Laden bitching about? The Muslims weren't victims of the Crusaders. They were victors over the Crusaders.
[quote]<strong>I bet that made our Islamic allies feel *great*.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If they knew their history, they may have indulged in an ironic chuckle.
[quote]<strong>Doh. No, hold on, not, "doh." HUGE INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC SCREWUP AT A CRUCIAL TIME.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No it wasn't. The Administration just took a step sideways and then moved on to more important matters.
[quote]<strong>Howabout that GREAT interview done before the "election" where Dub gets asked who the President of Pakistan is and he has to say, "Nope, don't know that one either." Not so damn funny now. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Quick now, who's the President of Uzbekistan?
[quote]<strong>But hey, to be Pres all you need is a few weeks of briefings (no, previous travel experience not necessary) and you're ready to run a war!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Looks like he was.
[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: roger_ramjet ]</p>