Interesting, that...we fought in Iraq and Kuwait because of oil...that's far more done than any other country that leeches oil from the region. What has the UN done...what has the the rest of the world done to maintain a global economy that is powered by fossil fuels?
<strong>Interesting, that...we fought in Iraq and Kuwait because of oil...that's far more done than any other country that leeches oil from the region. What has the UN done...what has the the rest of the world done to maintain a global economy that is powered by fossil fuels?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, there were of course the other nations involved in the Gulf War Coalition.
Japan tried a novel solution: simply conquering the relevant oil-bearing territories. They figured we might object, though, so they took the cautious step of destroying our fleet first.
<strong>Interesting, that...we fought in Iraq and Kuwait because of oil...that's far more done than any other country that leeches oil from the region. What has the UN done...what has the the rest of the world done to maintain a global economy that is powered by fossil fuels?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Point being that "we" did it for ourselves and not for the people of Kuwait. If "we" had done it for the people we wouldn't have left the Kurds and Shi'ites to be massacred after "we" incited them to revolt.
It's doing something for purely selfish reasons and then call it doing someone a favour.
To reiterate: motivated by religion, he attacked the United States.
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So HE attacked the United States? Not Islam the religion? So HE did a bad thing? Not Islam the religion. So HE is at fault? Not Islam the religion?
Or are you trying to say that when "we" do something in name of religion (the crusades) that doesn't make the religion bad. However, when someone else does something in name of a different religion it does make that religion bad?
Point being that "we" did it for ourselves and not for the people of Kuwait. If "we" had done it for the people we wouldn't have left the Kurds and Shi'ites to be massacred after "we" incited them to revolt.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What are you talking about? The Kurds and the Shi'ites are not the people of Kuwait. Different situation, different issues. We were still wrong but that doesn't mean we didn't liberate the people of Kuwait. We did that much at least. There's no denying it.
[quote]<strong>It's doing something for purely selfish reasons and then call it doing someone a favour.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Or maybe it's always putting the worst possible face on the actions of others in order to claim moral superiority.
[quote]Originally posted by ColorClassicG4:
To reiterate: motivated by religion, he attacked the United States.
<strong>So HE attacked the United States? Not Islam the religion? So HE did a bad thing? Not Islam the religion. So HE is at fault? Not Islam the religion?
Or are you trying to say that when "we" do something in name of religion (the crusades) that doesn't make the religion bad. However, when someone else does something in name of a different religion it does make that religion bad?</strong><hr></blockquote>
We'd have something to talk about if you were even half as critical of your own assumptions as you are of everyone else's.
The International Red Cross estimates that the US bombing of Iraq was responsible (directly or indirectly) for 142,000 civilian casualties.
That is very close to the total of immediate deaths in Hiroshima & Nagasaki combined, though admittedly the casualty number in Japan grew due to radiation poisoning, etc. over time.
<strong>It's either your skin that's really thick or it's your skull. I'm leaning towards the latter.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let me explain...when someone asks you a question...you don't answer it with a question. There are how many comments in this thread, which one would it be?
Hey, if people want Fox to turn their country around then so be it.
If people want to call someone a facist for posting that republican thingy, so be it.
If RRamjet wants to not argue so decides to just criticise someone in stead, then that's weak but...so be it.
Ok then, those were the last three posts. Which one was it supposed to be? Not the republican one, I found that quite funny.
If RRamjet wants to not argue so decides to just criticise someone in stead, then that's weak but...so be it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've certainly done more than just criticise you but of course, I haven't been at all reticent in my criticism of you. You do present such a "target rich" enviroment. It's amazing to me how you can post so much and enlighten so little.
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<strong>Interesting, that...we fought in Iraq and Kuwait because of oil...that's far more done than any other country that leeches oil from the region. What has the UN done...what has the the rest of the world done to maintain a global economy that is powered by fossil fuels?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, there were of course the other nations involved in the Gulf War Coalition.
Japan tried a novel solution: simply conquering the relevant oil-bearing territories. They figured we might object, though, so they took the cautious step of destroying our fleet first.
<strong>Interesting, that...we fought in Iraq and Kuwait because of oil...that's far more done than any other country that leeches oil from the region. What has the UN done...what has the the rest of the world done to maintain a global economy that is powered by fossil fuels?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Point being that "we" did it for ourselves and not for the people of Kuwait. If "we" had done it for the people we wouldn't have left the Kurds and Shi'ites to be massacred after "we" incited them to revolt.
It's doing something for purely selfish reasons and then call it doing someone a favour.
<strong>
To reiterate: motivated by religion, he attacked the United States.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
So HE attacked the United States? Not Islam the religion? So HE did a bad thing? Not Islam the religion. So HE is at fault? Not Islam the religion?
Or are you trying to say that when "we" do something in name of religion (the crusades) that doesn't make the religion bad. However, when someone else does something in name of a different religion it does make that religion bad?
<strong>
Point being that "we" did it for ourselves and not for the people of Kuwait. If "we" had done it for the people we wouldn't have left the Kurds and Shi'ites to be massacred after "we" incited them to revolt.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What are you talking about? The Kurds and the Shi'ites are not the people of Kuwait. Different situation, different issues. We were still wrong but that doesn't mean we didn't liberate the people of Kuwait. We did that much at least. There's no denying it.
[quote]<strong>It's doing something for purely selfish reasons and then call it doing someone a favour.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Or maybe it's always putting the worst possible face on the actions of others in order to claim moral superiority.
[quote]Originally posted by ColorClassicG4:
To reiterate: motivated by religion, he attacked the United States.
<strong>So HE attacked the United States? Not Islam the religion? So HE did a bad thing? Not Islam the religion. So HE is at fault? Not Islam the religion?
Or are you trying to say that when "we" do something in name of religion (the crusades) that doesn't make the religion bad. However, when someone else does something in name of a different religion it does make that religion bad?</strong><hr></blockquote>
We'd have something to talk about if you were even half as critical of your own assumptions as you are of everyone else's.
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It's doing something for purely selfish reasons and then call it doing someone a favour.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You say that like it's a bad thing?
An interesting fact:
The International Red Cross estimates that the US bombing of Iraq was responsible (directly or indirectly) for 142,000 civilian casualties.
That is very close to the total of immediate deaths in Hiroshima & Nagasaki combined, though admittedly the casualty number in Japan grew due to radiation poisoning, etc. over time.
liberal democrat
ooo I stole this republican joke from a website:
You Might Be A Republican If...
Author: Unknown
Submitted by Unknown on 06-20-2001
Suitability: PG-13
Genre: Shortie, Rating: 2.05
You think "proletariat" is a type of cheese.
You've named your kids "Deduction one" and "Deduction two"
You've tried to argue that poverty could be abolished if people
were just allowed to keep more of their minimum wage.
You've ever referred to someone as "my (insert racial or ethnic
minority here) friend"
You've ever tried to prove Jesus was a capitalist and opposed to
welfare.
You're a pro-lifer, but support the death penalty.
You think Huey Newton is a cookie.
The only union you support is the Baseball Players, because heck,
they're richer than you.
You think you might remember laughing once as a kid.
You once broke loose at a party and removed your neck tie.
You call mall rent-a-cops "jack-booted thugs."
You've ever referred to the moral fiber of something.
You've ever uttered the phrase, "Why don't we just bomb the sons
of bitches."
You've ever said, "I can't wait to get into business school."
You've ever called a secretary or waitress "Tootsie."
You answer to "The Man."
You don't think "The Simpsons" is all that funny, but you watch
it because that Flanders fellow makes a lot of sense.
You fax the FBI a list of "Commies in my Neighborhood."
You don't let your kids watch Sesame Street because you accuse
Bert and Ernie of "sexual deviance."
You scream "Dit-dit-ditto" while making love.
You've argued that art has a "moral foundation set in Western
values."
When people say "Marx," you think "Groucho."
You've ever yelled, "Hey hippie, get a haircut."
You think Birkenstock was that radical rock concert in 1969.
You argue that you need 300 handguns, in case a bear ever attacks
your home.
Vietnam makes a lot of sense to you.
You point to Hootie and the Blowfish as evidence of the end of
racism in America.
You've ever said civil liberties, schmivil schmiberties.
You've ever said "Clean air? Looks clean to me."
You've ever called education a luxury.
You look down through a glass ceiling and chuckle.
You wonder if donations to the Pentagon are tax-deductable.
You came of age in the '60s and don't remember Bob Dylan.
You own a vehicle with an "Ollie North: American Hero" sticker.
You're afraid of the liberal media."
You ever based an argument on the phrase, "Well, tradition
dictates...."
You ever told a child that Oscar the Grouch "lives in a trash can
because he is lazy and doesn't want to contribute to society."
You've ever urged someone to pull themselves up by their
bootstraps, when they don't even have shoes.
You confuse Lenin with Lennon.
Anti PRI
I just hope that Fox can turn my country around.
:cheers:
<strong>Damn MacOrace, that's gotta sting!</strong><hr></blockquote>
What? Exactly?
<strong>It's either your skin that's really thick or it's your skull. I'm leaning towards the latter.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let me explain...when someone asks you a question...you don't answer it with a question. There are how many comments in this thread, which one would it be?
Hey, if people want Fox to turn their country around then so be it.
If people want to call someone a facist for posting that republican thingy, so be it.
If RRamjet wants to not argue so decides to just criticise someone in stead, then that's weak but...so be it.
Ok then, those were the last three posts. Which one was it supposed to be? Not the republican one, I found that quite funny.
<strong>
If RRamjet wants to not argue so decides to just criticise someone in stead, then that's weak but...so be it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've certainly done more than just criticise you but of course, I haven't been at all reticent in my criticism of you. You do present such a "target rich" enviroment. It's amazing to me how you can post so much and enlighten so little.
Republican
Pro-Choice
Pro-Space Travel
Pro Big Business (except for monopolies like Microsoft)
Gun Control
Pro Bush/Blair
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Liberal Democrat
Pro-Europe
Pro-Choice
Pro- Environment
Anti- Death Penalty
Anti- Drug Legalization
Australian Labour Party
But a big fan of Al Gore...
Liberal Democratic
(Australia)