The phone call can run in the background. Go in to safari, copy, paste in an email, and send, all while you're still on the phone.
thanks for the correction. I was just talking to something i did this afternoon that seemed to impress my boss. For whatever reason, he thought his couldn't do it.
Countless people as in I can't count the number of people I've seen post at places like PPCGeeks.com and XDADevelopers that have tried and hated the iphone.
So some anonymous posters on forums dedicated to competitors products... didn't like the iPhone. Priceless!
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It's nice being able to research something on the web, copy something, paste it into an email with an image attachment, all while on a conference call. Is there an app for that?
Duh?
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And why do I care what the majority of users want to do?
You don't need to, but companies who want to sell them products do.
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I know you, and people LIKE you think that if someone doesn't share the same opinion as you, they must be trolling.
Incorrect. However I do believe that if someone joins a forum that they think is "a joke" but then stays for months and make hundreds of posts stating their own personal negative opinions as facts... without even attempting to back them up... then you are correct. They must be trolling.
I have moved to apple in summer 2004 I love it and I convinced 21 of my friends to join Apple. BUT WAIT! with this iphone rip off and being exclusive to certain networks, being so expensive, with this app rejection of google and others, jailbreak and unlock. I have got an iphone 3 weeks ego and I am now off it because of apple's stupid behaviors,Apple is never going to learn. I am hopping some company like sony ericsson or htc or any other will bring a high quality phone better than Iphone and google to improve android and come on Microsoft I hate you but now we need you Apple needs more lessons. That day will come and I AM READY TO PUNCH APPLE WITH MY ELBOW. ARE YOU NOT
lol, nice rant!
perhaps you are in the wrong country. the iphone isn't so expensive here in Oz. I am paying $10/month for the hardware over 2 years ($240), $49/month for $500 of calls/sms etc, and a few bucks extra for extra data - i am actually saving money compared to my old mobile plan.
i wish ppl would get the fork over flash, it's so 2002. may it never come to the iPhone.
Is this a joke? Forgetting the fact for a moment that mobile Safari easily has the most advanced and best performing mobile rendering engine on the market, Mobile IE is by far the worst performing browser on the market. It is not even close.
Even worse, apparently the "new" mobile IE coming in Windows Mobile 7 is actually based on the IE6 rendering engine, which was among the most buggy and universally despised browsers ever.
BUT WAIT! with this iphone rip off and being exclusive to certain networks, being so expensive...
Are you purposefully trying to sound misinformed? The iPhone hardware, at $199, is among the cheapest subsidized smartphone on the United States market.
Similarly, it has the exact same monthly fees as a blackberry. AT&T and Verizon, the 2 largest carriers in the USA, both charge the same $30/month for a data package with all smartphones, and this is required for the iPhone, Blackberry devices, and other smartphones.
I don't know where you get all this "expensive" nonsense.
Right. Well, people with that browser will be playing flash games and watching hulu while Apple will be telling adobe to piss off. It's gonna be THE shit.
Flash is garbage, just like Windows Mobile. You're busy hanging your hat on a never has been platform.
perhaps you are in the wrong country. the iphone isn't so expensive here in Oz. I am paying $10/month for the hardware over 2 years ($240), $49/month for $500 of calls/sms etc, and a few bucks extra for extra data - i am actually saving money compared to my old mobile plan.
i wish ppl would get the fork over flash, it's so 2002. may it never come to the iPhone.
It is almost a given that it will come to the iPhone, so you might as well get over the attitude now.
I've always maintained that Apple should develop not just a document, but an entire department for helping developers port Windows desktop programs to the Mac platform. This is a smart thing Microsoft is doing, and Apple should embrace and extend this idea to the desktop if they want to continue building market share at their current rate.
I wouldn't have thought there has actually been much thought from Microsoft on this article. Admittedly I haven't seen it, but the fact it was written by someone outside of Microsoft leads me to think its just one of the many many articles that go on MS dev sites each week written by random people. Remember MS do things very differently with their developers compared to Apple. Rather than make developers register to see content, or sign agreements on sharing information, MS are the complete opposite. They give everything away for free and encourage developers to write their own articles to give back to the community.
perhaps you are in the wrong country. the iphone isn't so expensive here in Oz. I am paying $10/month for the hardware over 2 years ($240), $49/month for $500 of calls/sms etc, and a few bucks extra for extra data - i am actually saving money compared to my old mobile plan.
i wish ppl would get the fork over flash, it's so 2002. may it never come to the iPhone.
+1. Till Flash works well on the iPhone without KILLING BATTERY LIFE, then that will be a nice addition.
You said that countless people have switched from the iPhone to Windows Mobile and love it. But you were called out for having no evidence to show for it, so now you're furiously handwaving as you backpeddle.
"Countless people" really only meant the number of people you've seen at a couple of online forums, and all those people who've "COME FROM the iphone" really only meant some fencesitters who tried it and and didn't like it!
Do you even think any one's buying that?
As for your stunned disbelief that the iPhone lacks Flash and Hulu support(Why, Cupertino, WHY!?!?), you're conveniently ignoring that if a relevent number of people actually cared about their smartphone having support for Flash and Hulu, then the iPhone would have been a failure out of the starting gate. It would not have amassed tens of millions of users. It would not be flying off the shelves. Flash and Hulu are not a make-or-break issue outside of an irrelevently small minority of smartphone enthusiasts.
You're trying to put forward Windows Mobile as the solution to a nonexistent problem with the iPhone. Small wonder you're branded as a Microsoft shill
By the way, Flash is ultimately more of a liability than an asset. As the web transitions away from proprietary formats and towards open standards, which include the underpinnings for web apps(see HTML5), Flash will be left behind. Microsoft is heading down a dead end path by clinging to it with WinMo.
First - tens of millions have been sold. So every single person was happy? No, you're right, I can count on one hand the number of people who hated it. DERRR. It's the fact that so many have sold, and so many have tried it, that gives way to such a large number of people who disliked it. I mentioned two windows mobile sites, and yes, there were countless people posting there saying they liked windows mobile better. No back peddling here. I can't count the number of people I've seen make comments about going FROM the iphone to WM, in other words: countless. You lose.
Secondly, you're trying to twist what I say into a non-existent argument. Why do so many people like you do this? They are presented with indisputable logic, so they twist things around and reword what's said in order to make someone look stupid. I've seen this countless times.
When did I say Flash was a make or break deal for the iphone? Oh right I didn't. No, what I've said countless times is that the iphone is a great phone. No, you didn't see that though. You just saw that somebody had reasons to dislike the iphone, SO YOU GOT ANGRY! too funny
Your final statement about flash being left behind really shows your lack of understanding of this sort of thing. So lets say Flash did get left behind. Lets say it happened tomorrow. All the websites that used flash decided to go to html and forget what Flash can do for them. Well, whatever took it's place could inevitably be implemented in the same way with updates.
Sure stuff changes, but it's not one sided. I don't see MS clinging to flash, simply trying to include it as a beneficial feature of their new browser. The java engine is the same that can be found in the full version of IE8. Does that mean they are clinging to java? Java must be on it's way out...
So let me wrap this up before you blow your lid. I, like everyone else here, am entitled to my own opinion on these products. I don't know how much plainer I can get when I say I think the iphone is a great phone. Someone would need to be living under a rock to not notice the influence it's had on the smartphone market. The things that I don't like though have to do with Apple's parenting of apps, and lack of features I have on my WM phone. When I said I've seen countless people go to wm from the iphone, I was responding to someone saying that nobody would ever purposely chose WM unless forced on them at work.
Oh btw, think people can't spot an alt? Did you create that alt for the name calling or because of the ignore list?
Actually a lot of people CHOOSE to use a windows mobile phone on their own accord. They like being able to CHOOSE things on their own, where as with the iphone, Apple CHOOSES which apps are too naughty for your wittle eyes.
While I won't defend Apple's policies, I think it is naive to assume that Microsoft would not want to control what is sold in their future online mobile application store.
While I won't defend Apple's policies, I think it is naive to assume that Microsoft would not want to control what is sold in their future online mobile application store.
I agree, but right now there is no store and loading an app is as easy as running a .cab file from the device. I don't think MS will be hosting web video downloader (a great app for streaming porn from sites like tube8 right to a media player without ads.) lol
I agree about the cost of the iPhone. Especially ATT. $100/month is too much. But I think you will be hoping and waiting a long time if you think sony ericsson can replicate the iPhone. Possibly never!
I am not expecting this from sony eicsson this is just example, it could be anyone but believe me I am ready for this. I am not the only one.
perhaps you are in the wrong country. the iphone isn't so expensive here in Oz. I am paying $10/month for the hardware over 2 years ($240), $49/month for $500 of calls/sms etc, and a few bucks extra for extra data - i am actually saving money compared to my old mobile plan.
i wish ppl would get the fork over flash, it's so 2002. may it never come to the iPhone.
it should be same price all over the world and sold from apple stores only and open to all networks, I think apple would sell more. Apple do not need at&t or O2 or any other, it is like selling other apple products from apple store.
Are you purposefully trying to sound misinformed? The iPhone hardware, at $199, is among the cheapest subsidized smartphone on the United States market.
Similarly, it has the exact same monthly fees as a blackberry. AT&T and Verizon, the 2 largest carriers in the USA, both charge the same $30/month for a data package with all smartphones, and this is required for the iPhone, Blackberry devices, and other smartphones.
I don't know where you get all this "expensive" nonsense.
I would like to invite you to the UK. vodafone. never mind their website just come and speak to them on the phone. by the way I bought Iphone 3 week ego and this is my first iphone and unlocked using vodafone no one can make me to go to O2 because of an iphone.
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Actually... the iPhone can do that one.
The phone call can run in the background. Go in to safari, copy, paste in an email, and send, all while you're still on the phone.
thanks for the correction. I was just talking to something i did this afternoon that seemed to impress my boss. For whatever reason, he thought his couldn't do it.
Countless people as in I can't count the number of people I've seen post at places like PPCGeeks.com and XDADevelopers that have tried and hated the iphone.
So some anonymous posters on forums dedicated to competitors products... didn't like the iPhone. Priceless!
It's nice being able to research something on the web, copy something, paste it into an email with an image attachment, all while on a conference call. Is there an app for that?
Duh?
And why do I care what the majority of users want to do?
You don't need to, but companies who want to sell them products do.
I know you, and people LIKE you think that if someone doesn't share the same opinion as you, they must be trolling.
Incorrect. However I do believe that if someone joins a forum that they think is "a joke" but then stays for months and make hundreds of posts stating their own personal negative opinions as facts... without even attempting to back them up... then you are correct. They must be trolling.
I have moved to apple in summer 2004 I love it and I convinced 21 of my friends to join Apple. BUT WAIT! with this iphone rip off and being exclusive to certain networks, being so expensive, with this app rejection of google and others, jailbreak and unlock. I have got an iphone 3 weeks ego and I am now off it because of apple's stupid behaviors,Apple is never going to learn. I am hopping some company like sony ericsson or htc or any other will bring a high quality phone better than Iphone and google to improve android and come on Microsoft I hate you but now we need you Apple needs more lessons. That day will come and I AM READY TO PUNCH APPLE WITH MY ELBOW. ARE YOU NOT
lol, nice rant!
perhaps you are in the wrong country. the iphone isn't so expensive here in Oz. I am paying $10/month for the hardware over 2 years ($240), $49/month for $500 of calls/sms etc, and a few bucks extra for extra data - i am actually saving money compared to my old mobile plan.
i wish ppl would get the fork over flash, it's so 2002. may it never come to the iPhone.
How could you write an OS on a platform that requires an OS?
It's called self-hosting. In building compilers for a variety of target architectures, we did it routinely.
Is this a joke? Forgetting the fact for a moment that mobile Safari easily has the most advanced and best performing mobile rendering engine on the market, Mobile IE is by far the worst performing browser on the market. It is not even close.
Even worse, apparently the "new" mobile IE coming in Windows Mobile 7 is actually based on the IE6 rendering engine, which was among the most buggy and universally despised browsers ever.
BUT WAIT! with this iphone rip off and being exclusive to certain networks, being so expensive...
Are you purposefully trying to sound misinformed? The iPhone hardware, at $199, is among the cheapest subsidized smartphone on the United States market.
Similarly, it has the exact same monthly fees as a blackberry. AT&T and Verizon, the 2 largest carriers in the USA, both charge the same $30/month for a data package with all smartphones, and this is required for the iPhone, Blackberry devices, and other smartphones.
I don't know where you get all this "expensive" nonsense.
Right. Well, people with that browser will be playing flash games and watching hulu while Apple will be telling adobe to piss off. It's gonna be THE shit.
Flash is garbage, just like Windows Mobile. You're busy hanging your hat on a never has been platform.
lol, nice rant!
perhaps you are in the wrong country. the iphone isn't so expensive here in Oz. I am paying $10/month for the hardware over 2 years ($240), $49/month for $500 of calls/sms etc, and a few bucks extra for extra data - i am actually saving money compared to my old mobile plan.
i wish ppl would get the fork over flash, it's so 2002. may it never come to the iPhone.
It is almost a given that it will come to the iPhone, so you might as well get over the attitude now.
it seems odd that m$ has recently put on a full court press against apple.
between m$'s first quarterly loss, the ignorant pc buyers, ballmer the blowhard and this guy you'd think apple ran the world.
It isn't really odd, it's desperation. Perfectly understandable for a company struggling to maintain relevance.
I've always maintained that Apple should develop not just a document, but an entire department for helping developers port Windows desktop programs to the Mac platform. This is a smart thing Microsoft is doing, and Apple should embrace and extend this idea to the desktop if they want to continue building market share at their current rate.
I wouldn't have thought there has actually been much thought from Microsoft on this article. Admittedly I haven't seen it, but the fact it was written by someone outside of Microsoft leads me to think its just one of the many many articles that go on MS dev sites each week written by random people. Remember MS do things very differently with their developers compared to Apple. Rather than make developers register to see content, or sign agreements on sharing information, MS are the complete opposite. They give everything away for free and encourage developers to write their own articles to give back to the community.
It is almost a given that it will come to the iPhone, so you might as well get over the attitude now.
and you bad this on what exactly?
Is that Steve Ballmer I see wearing lipstick?
lol, nice rant!
perhaps you are in the wrong country. the iphone isn't so expensive here in Oz. I am paying $10/month for the hardware over 2 years ($240), $49/month for $500 of calls/sms etc, and a few bucks extra for extra data - i am actually saving money compared to my old mobile plan.
i wish ppl would get the fork over flash, it's so 2002. may it never come to the iPhone.
+1. Till Flash works well on the iPhone without KILLING BATTERY LIFE, then that will be a nice addition.
These claims of better browsing have been made by Microsloth with each new release of "WinLess" for more than a decade, going back to the Compaq iPaq.
We'll just wait for the day Microsoft improves itself.*
*If it ever comes.
You said that countless people have switched from the iPhone to Windows Mobile and love it. But you were called out for having no evidence to show for it, so now you're furiously handwaving as you backpeddle.
"Countless people" really only meant the number of people you've seen at a couple of online forums, and all those people who've "COME FROM the iphone" really only meant some fencesitters who tried it and and didn't like it!
Do you even think any one's buying that?
As for your stunned disbelief that the iPhone lacks Flash and Hulu support(Why, Cupertino, WHY!?!?), you're conveniently ignoring that if a relevent number of people actually cared about their smartphone having support for Flash and Hulu, then the iPhone would have been a failure out of the starting gate. It would not have amassed tens of millions of users. It would not be flying off the shelves. Flash and Hulu are not a make-or-break issue outside of an irrelevently small minority of smartphone enthusiasts.
You're trying to put forward Windows Mobile as the solution to a nonexistent problem with the iPhone. Small wonder you're branded as a Microsoft shill
By the way, Flash is ultimately more of a liability than an asset. As the web transitions away from proprietary formats and towards open standards, which include the underpinnings for web apps(see HTML5), Flash will be left behind. Microsoft is heading down a dead end path by clinging to it with WinMo.
First - tens of millions have been sold. So every single person was happy? No, you're right, I can count on one hand the number of people who hated it. DERRR. It's the fact that so many have sold, and so many have tried it, that gives way to such a large number of people who disliked it. I mentioned two windows mobile sites, and yes, there were countless people posting there saying they liked windows mobile better. No back peddling here. I can't count the number of people I've seen make comments about going FROM the iphone to WM, in other words: countless. You lose.
Secondly, you're trying to twist what I say into a non-existent argument. Why do so many people like you do this? They are presented with indisputable logic, so they twist things around and reword what's said in order to make someone look stupid. I've seen this countless times.
When did I say Flash was a make or break deal for the iphone? Oh right I didn't. No, what I've said countless times is that the iphone is a great phone. No, you didn't see that though. You just saw that somebody had reasons to dislike the iphone, SO YOU GOT ANGRY!
Your final statement about flash being left behind really shows your lack of understanding of this sort of thing. So lets say Flash did get left behind. Lets say it happened tomorrow. All the websites that used flash decided to go to html and forget what Flash can do for them. Well, whatever took it's place could inevitably be implemented in the same way with updates.
Sure stuff changes, but it's not one sided. I don't see MS clinging to flash, simply trying to include it as a beneficial feature of their new browser. The java engine is the same that can be found in the full version of IE8. Does that mean they are clinging to java? Java must be on it's way out...
So let me wrap this up before you blow your lid. I, like everyone else here, am entitled to my own opinion on these products. I don't know how much plainer I can get when I say I think the iphone is a great phone. Someone would need to be living under a rock to not notice the influence it's had on the smartphone market. The things that I don't like though have to do with Apple's parenting of apps, and lack of features I have on my WM phone. When I said I've seen countless people go to wm from the iphone, I was responding to someone saying that nobody would ever purposely chose WM unless forced on them at work.
Oh btw, think people can't spot an alt? Did you create that alt for the name calling or because of the ignore list?
Actually a lot of people CHOOSE to use a windows mobile phone on their own accord. They like being able to CHOOSE things on their own, where as with the iphone, Apple CHOOSES which apps are too naughty for your wittle eyes.
While I won't defend Apple's policies, I think it is naive to assume that Microsoft would not want to control what is sold in their future online mobile application store.
While I won't defend Apple's policies, I think it is naive to assume that Microsoft would not want to control what is sold in their future online mobile application store.
I agree, but right now there is no store and loading an app is as easy as running a .cab file from the device. I don't think MS will be hosting web video downloader (a great app for streaming porn from sites like tube8 right to a media player without ads.) lol
I agree about the cost of the iPhone. Especially ATT. $100/month is too much. But I think you will be hoping and waiting a long time if you think sony ericsson can replicate the iPhone. Possibly never!
I am not expecting this from sony eicsson this is just example, it could be anyone but believe me I am ready for this. I am not the only one.
lol, nice rant!
perhaps you are in the wrong country. the iphone isn't so expensive here in Oz. I am paying $10/month for the hardware over 2 years ($240), $49/month for $500 of calls/sms etc, and a few bucks extra for extra data - i am actually saving money compared to my old mobile plan.
i wish ppl would get the fork over flash, it's so 2002. may it never come to the iPhone.
it should be same price all over the world and sold from apple stores only and open to all networks, I think apple would sell more. Apple do not need at&t or O2 or any other, it is like selling other apple products from apple store.
Are you purposefully trying to sound misinformed? The iPhone hardware, at $199, is among the cheapest subsidized smartphone on the United States market.
Similarly, it has the exact same monthly fees as a blackberry. AT&T and Verizon, the 2 largest carriers in the USA, both charge the same $30/month for a data package with all smartphones, and this is required for the iPhone, Blackberry devices, and other smartphones.
I don't know where you get all this "expensive" nonsense.
I would like to invite you to the UK. vodafone. never mind their website just come and speak to them on the phone. by the way I bought Iphone 3 week ego and this is my first iphone and unlocked using vodafone no one can make me to go to O2 because of an iphone.