Agreed, and the the tablet may not just have one 'Killer App' but have a 'Killer App' for each of a wide variety of industries, think medicine, education.
And the App store grows even more with specialized apps for the tablet---
Think of the sales and how many more in the market place it would reach!
I'm also thinking that the PDF reader will sure lighten the backs of students everywhere. Their backpacks are almost as big as they are in elementary school. Let's get on the bandwagon for e-textbooks that are interactive with the touchscreen and that you can buy for 1/2 the price.
Publishers will probably make more profit with those with much less cost for printing and distributing. The only ones getting the short end of the stick are the brick and mortar bookstores unless they are also selling the tablet as most college bookstores sell Macs.
One more thing...this would be a great thing to take on international trips-saves weight, has wifi so email can be checked and iChat can be used.
Ok, my mind is still racing with ideas but that's enough for now.
Remember the history of qwerty... they were designed specifically to be inefficient.
Actually, from what I've read about this, it wasn't designed specifically to be inefficient (i.e., to slow down typists) but rather to avoid jams as much as possible based on commonly used letter combinations. Efficiency (or lack thereof) in terms of typing speed was at most a secondary consideration. The efficiency of the layout came from avoiding having to unjam letters frequently, which, as anyone who has used a manual typewriter knows, slows you down much more than the key layout.
Woefully common. Sorry for pointing out that your opinions are based on nothing but poorly sourced rumors.
I will respond to this and then I'm ready to drop it. Sorry, that I didn't acknowledge you as the one who has pointed out that the source of this rumor may be dubious.
My opinion isn't based on a poorly sourced rumor, it's about a poorly sourced rumor. There is a difference.
I don't understand the hoopla behind a tablet. Many OEM's have created tablets and all don't seem to take off. If other companies struggle to sell them, what makes people think Apple will be successful? Even more so at the rumored price range?
I was thinking along the same length ... who would want a tablet and why ? It would make sense if it could replace the current mainstream netbooks ... who knows, it's apple afterall and magic happens at apple
Yeah and kids blow each other in the toilets and smoke a lot of pot esp at grades 4-9 do you think apple should cater for the condom market and do some illegal drug pushing on the side to? Who cares?
Yep. That pretty much sums up my pre-high school days.
My opinion isn't based on a poorly sourced rumor, it's about a poorly sourced rumor. There is a difference.
If you say so. I guess I'm not going to understand why you were making such definitive-sounding statements when you know the rumors tell us essentially nothing. I wasn't the only one to pick up on this.
The reality is, the rumors on this particular Apple product are even more vague and contradictory than usual. I believe Apple has been sweating this product for a long time, for a reason. I think it's fair to say that the results are going to be surprising, especially to people who have been grasping at every rumor that flies over the transom.
I'm betting that they'll offer a non built in 3G model, with WiFi only, but it costs more. Also, I am betting that if Apple gives this to AT&T that apple uses it as leverage to make AT&T offer iPhone tethering sooner rather than later.
Otherwise I think you'll have an extremely large majority who don't want two 3G contracts with AT&T. Let's be honest here, the vast majority of people who are possibly going to buy this tablet are likely to have or eventually buy an iPhone. If Apple makes this thing so that people with iPhones are less likely to buy them, its destined to fail.
Another possible option I could see is not having a model that's WiFi only, but givng a very very large 3G plan discount to those with an existing iPhone data plan. Somethinig in the neighborhood of 5-10 more per month.
let's even be more honest. How completely insane is it that Cell phone companies think they can charge you extra just to use the 3G signal and transfer that signal to another device. You used to be able to use your phone to get wireless connections to our laptops in the past without a hitch. Why this "extra tethering charge" all of a sudden. Gouge Gouge Gouge...
it's supposed to compete with netbooks in the simple carry around with you computer space that does limited things and is dirt cheap. so cheap that if you break it, you don't care and just buy another one
If this tablet is supposed to compete (as you say, and i agree) then why is this rumored price point almost the cost of a Macbook? You could buy 2-3 NetBooks for the price point of this.
And when it comes out everyone will say "Apple blew it on the price, it's way too expensive, and only meets a small niche of early adopters," and then it will sell 10 million units in the first two years and redefine the market and people will say, "Oh, we knew apple would do that."
Killer app: total sync with home computer and mobile me every time it's within range of its "home" wifi LAN.
Right on! lol You are 100% correct.
And I hope just maybe Wi-Tricity enabled devices will emerge from Apple in 2010 ..... (music from Outer Limits optional)
You really think MSFT is going into hardware more and more? Other than this Zune, I don't see it. Unless they partner with some other electronics brand and slap their name on it as a joint venture. I don't see it.
Zune, Zune HD, XBOX, XBOX 360, various keyboards, mice and web cams... more hardware? Why not?
no matter what they offer in this tablet, it's not even worth that my friend.
You have a rather obvious and large bias here. If the tablet is not worth it to you at 300 dollars or pretty much at any price, why are you here at all? You obviously just came here to piss on everyone.
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If this tablet is supposed to compete (as you say, and i agree) then why is this rumored price point almost the cost of a Macbook? You could buy 2-3 NetBooks for the price point of this.
Let's not exaggerate OK?
You could buy (maybe) 2 bottom-of-the-market netbooks for the prices quoted, or one good one. The Sony's retail for about a thousand, the good Dells are closer to 5 or 6 hundred.
There is a huge range of prices for netbooks with most falling in the $400 to $1000 range. If Apple makes one in the price range quoted in this article it will compete favourably with the very best quality netbooks and be cheaper than about half of them.
If there is one thing Apple is not, is stupid. They wouldn't make one at all if it wouldn't have a market and if it's not likely to sell. Even the MacBook Air, which people like to make fun of all the time, actually sells rather well.
Why everyone here seems to assume that Apple doesn't know what they are doing, or is about to enter a market with a losing product that won't sell is beyond me. The odds of them doing that are miniscule.
Imagine it's a baseball player that hits a home run every single time they step up to the plate and has done for years. Why would you want to be that idiot in the audience that says "I bet he misses this time"? The only people that enjoy seeing other people fail are usually failures themselves.
You are being too blind. It is not going to be "just a giant media player".
Tablets have failed in the Windows world just as WinMo smartphones also failed. Then Apple came. Look at the difference.
So what is the difference? iPhone has 8% of world market. WinMo has 12%. You sound as if iPhone has taken whole market in a heartbeat and is - in smartphone segment - same as Windows is in desktop segment.
Almost all the rumors said the tablet would not be announced at the September event, and the Touch did have a camera at one point in its development cycle. I don't know why you feel the need to comment on how other people live their lives. If you don't want to read about Apple rumours, don't click the links.
Hey man, I gotta voice my 2 cents to the world some how LOL.
Most of the rumors I read regarding the tablet and camera always spoke of how likely it is to be at the September event. They also said Steve Jobs wouldn't make an appearance lol.
And these days, I have enough strangers telling me (or screaming) how I should live my life so why not throw it back at another bunch of strangers. Aint I a stinker?
I still can't see why this device needs to exist. Is it just to browse the web from my sofa? If so, the price is hilarious. If it's a portable media player then it's far too bulky. Then what? A computer with no buttons? Count me out.
Tablets have failed in the Windows world for many, many years now. Personally I believe that's simply due to the entire tablet concept being pointless.
The reason why you can't understand the need for writing or touching is that you are wedded to the 19th century typewriter and powerpoint presentations. Anyone who has done a minimum of science will understand the limitations of the typewriter.
Where the hell are you from, you spew the same old garbage again & again even when we offer up ways for you to educate yourself. This has been mentioned before but if you don't believe what is posted here go check out the jailbreak community. Otherwise stop posting about things you don't understand it just makes you look ignorant.
STOP ATTACKING MY FRIEND ☮YOU SOUND LIKE A REAL LOSER MANY HERE LIKE WHAT TECk STUD HAS TO SAY FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ALL THAT .INSTEAD YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER TO COUNTER WITH A POINT BY POINT DISCUSSION TO PROVE HIM WRONG >THAT IS THE WAY ITS DONE
♊♊☤☤☤Also Apple has clearly stated that user multi tasking does not fit into their vision for the iPhone. The current arraingement is nothing more than a choice Apple made when designing iPhone, that does not imply that the policy will hold on future devices. APPLE NEVER SAID ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT THIS >PLEASE GIVE US A CLEAR LINK TO BACK WHAT YOU SAY .WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BY OTHERS THAT MULTI FUNCTION DRAINS THE BATTERY SO APPLE IS NOT DOING IT . AGAIN 3RD PARTIES HAVE STATED THIS NOT APPLE . BATTERY LIFE IS STOPPING MULTI FUNCTION
Again it does exist and frankly this is the last time I'm going to try to set you straight. The limitation is on user apps that haven't been blessed by Apple, Mail for example is always running.
WHY THE LAST TIME >WHO ARE YOU TO SET ANYONE STRAIGHT ?? WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO FRIENDS HERE AND WE DISCUSS THINGS .WE DON;T GET UPSET AND BELITTLE OTHER PEOPLE
Good for you. At this point you have convinced me that you wouldn't be able to leverage the software for anything constructive anyways.[/COLOR]
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I doubt that very many people have a full-size touch keyboard at their disposal-- especially for a long enough period time to become accustomed to the differences.
I do somewhat. I have a FITR based touch surface but haven't conducted a study yet. No funding for a real experiment and too much effort to go through a IRB for a "quick and dirty" study.
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Also, the virtual keyboard [driver] software could be written in such a way that it could outperform a physical keyboard in speed in comfort:
1) rest the palms and fingertips on the surface
2) the home row is wherever your hands are
3) type by slightly pressing a finger (or slightly lifting, or wiggling a finger)
Slight pressing doesn't typically register as anything. Wiggling will happen anyway and cause excessive error rates and is difficult to reliably detect.
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4) reach non-home-row keys by lifting and moving finger, slightly, towards the desired key
and wiggle another finger causing a false input.
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That is only one way that a touch surface could outperform a physical keyboard,
Except we've gone through this and your scenario isn't. Not to mention that on a 10" slate device you've just wiped out half of the usable screen real estate by using a touch keyboard.
I keep reading about people wanting to run iWorks or any of a number of other documentvcreation programs on this Touch based tablet. It makes want to scream are you all nuts? It is a Touch tablet with no touch typing ability, nobody is going to be writing long winded documents on this thing. A short e-Mail yes of filling out a form, put a multi page document is likely to be way to frustrating. Dave
doctors and business people will type all day on the same style but larger key board that we find on the iphone . I mean dave so many of my friends send full emails pages long right now with there iphone's.
Remember all the multi touch was invented way back when for the tablet crowd > i think it was NEXT/BE early PIXAR days when the whole multi touch got its patents <<i think >
,It was applied to a small device first but it is way better suited for a large screen more .Doctors lawyers and field workers have needed a product like this forever .After 18 months after its out the public will let is know what its best used for just like the touch
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Agreed, and the the tablet may not just have one 'Killer App' but have a 'Killer App' for each of a wide variety of industries, think medicine, education.
And the App store grows even more with specialized apps for the tablet---
Think of the sales and how many more in the market place it would reach!
I'm also thinking that the PDF reader will sure lighten the backs of students everywhere. Their backpacks are almost as big as they are in elementary school. Let's get on the bandwagon for e-textbooks that are interactive with the touchscreen and that you can buy for 1/2 the price.
Publishers will probably make more profit with those with much less cost for printing and distributing. The only ones getting the short end of the stick are the brick and mortar bookstores unless they are also selling the tablet as most college bookstores sell Macs.
One more thing...this would be a great thing to take on international trips-saves weight, has wifi so email can be checked and iChat can be used.
Ok, my mind is still racing with ideas but that's enough for now.
Remember the history of qwerty... they were designed specifically to be inefficient.
Actually, from what I've read about this, it wasn't designed specifically to be inefficient (i.e., to slow down typists) but rather to avoid jams as much as possible based on commonly used letter combinations. Efficiency (or lack thereof) in terms of typing speed was at most a secondary consideration. The efficiency of the layout came from avoiding having to unjam letters frequently, which, as anyone who has used a manual typewriter knows, slows you down much more than the key layout.
Woefully common. Sorry for pointing out that your opinions are based on nothing but poorly sourced rumors.
I will respond to this and then I'm ready to drop it. Sorry, that I didn't acknowledge you as the one who has pointed out that the source of this rumor may be dubious.
My opinion isn't based on a poorly sourced rumor, it's about a poorly sourced rumor. There is a difference.
I don't understand the hoopla behind a tablet. Many OEM's have created tablets and all don't seem to take off. If other companies struggle to sell them, what makes people think Apple will be successful? Even more so at the rumored price range?
I was thinking along the same length ... who would want a tablet and why ? It would make sense if it could replace the current mainstream netbooks ... who knows, it's apple afterall and magic happens at apple
Yeah and kids blow each other in the toilets and smoke a lot of pot esp at grades 4-9 do you think apple should cater for the condom market and do some illegal drug pushing on the side to? Who cares?
Yep. That pretty much sums up my pre-high school days.
My opinion isn't based on a poorly sourced rumor, it's about a poorly sourced rumor. There is a difference.
If you say so. I guess I'm not going to understand why you were making such definitive-sounding statements when you know the rumors tell us essentially nothing. I wasn't the only one to pick up on this.
The reality is, the rumors on this particular Apple product are even more vague and contradictory than usual. I believe Apple has been sweating this product for a long time, for a reason. I think it's fair to say that the results are going to be surprising, especially to people who have been grasping at every rumor that flies over the transom.
A big-ass Tablet ???
That's it! Apple can name it the iBat!
I can see the ads now. Sort of a take on the infamous "square booty" ads from Burger King.
that price range is too much for a tablet the most expensive ipod touch is 399 and the macbook is 999 so I'd position it within the range of 599-799
no matter what they offer in this tablet, it's not even worth that my friend.
I'm betting that they'll offer a non built in 3G model, with WiFi only, but it costs more. Also, I am betting that if Apple gives this to AT&T that apple uses it as leverage to make AT&T offer iPhone tethering sooner rather than later.
Otherwise I think you'll have an extremely large majority who don't want two 3G contracts with AT&T. Let's be honest here, the vast majority of people who are possibly going to buy this tablet are likely to have or eventually buy an iPhone. If Apple makes this thing so that people with iPhones are less likely to buy them, its destined to fail.
Another possible option I could see is not having a model that's WiFi only, but givng a very very large 3G plan discount to those with an existing iPhone data plan. Somethinig in the neighborhood of 5-10 more per month.
let's even be more honest. How completely insane is it that Cell phone companies think they can charge you extra just to use the 3G signal and transfer that signal to another device. You used to be able to use your phone to get wireless connections to our laptops in the past without a hitch. Why this "extra tethering charge" all of a sudden. Gouge Gouge Gouge...
it's supposed to compete with netbooks in the simple carry around with you computer space that does limited things and is dirt cheap. so cheap that if you break it, you don't care and just buy another one
If this tablet is supposed to compete (as you say, and i agree) then why is this rumored price point almost the cost of a Macbook? You could buy 2-3 NetBooks for the price point of this.
And when it comes out everyone will say "Apple blew it on the price, it's way too expensive, and only meets a small niche of early adopters," and then it will sell 10 million units in the first two years and redefine the market and people will say, "Oh, we knew apple would do that."
Killer app: total sync with home computer and mobile me every time it's within range of its "home" wifi LAN.
Right on! lol You are 100% correct.
And I hope just maybe Wi-Tricity enabled devices will emerge from Apple in 2010 ..... (music from Outer Limits optional)
You really think MSFT is going into hardware more and more? Other than this Zune, I don't see it. Unless they partner with some other electronics brand and slap their name on it as a joint venture. I don't see it.
Zune, Zune HD, XBOX, XBOX 360, various keyboards, mice and web cams... more hardware? Why not?
no matter what they offer in this tablet, it's not even worth that my friend.
You have a rather obvious and large bias here. If the tablet is not worth it to you at 300 dollars or pretty much at any price, why are you here at all? You obviously just came here to piss on everyone.
If this tablet is supposed to compete (as you say, and i agree) then why is this rumored price point almost the cost of a Macbook? You could buy 2-3 NetBooks for the price point of this.
Let's not exaggerate OK?
You could buy (maybe) 2 bottom-of-the-market netbooks for the prices quoted, or one good one. The Sony's retail for about a thousand, the good Dells are closer to 5 or 6 hundred.
There is a huge range of prices for netbooks with most falling in the $400 to $1000 range. If Apple makes one in the price range quoted in this article it will compete favourably with the very best quality netbooks and be cheaper than about half of them.
If there is one thing Apple is not, is stupid. They wouldn't make one at all if it wouldn't have a market and if it's not likely to sell. Even the MacBook Air, which people like to make fun of all the time, actually sells rather well.
Why everyone here seems to assume that Apple doesn't know what they are doing, or is about to enter a market with a losing product that won't sell is beyond me. The odds of them doing that are miniscule.
Imagine it's a baseball player that hits a home run every single time they step up to the plate and has done for years. Why would you want to be that idiot in the audience that says "I bet he misses this time"? The only people that enjoy seeing other people fail are usually failures themselves.
Do you live in your sofa?
You are being too blind. It is not going to be "just a giant media player".
Tablets have failed in the Windows world just as WinMo smartphones also failed. Then Apple came. Look at the difference.
So what is the difference? iPhone has 8% of world market. WinMo has 12%. You sound as if iPhone has taken whole market in a heartbeat and is - in smartphone segment - same as Windows is in desktop segment.
Almost all the rumors said the tablet would not be announced at the September event, and the Touch did have a camera at one point in its development cycle. I don't know why you feel the need to comment on how other people live their lives. If you don't want to read about Apple rumours, don't click the links.
Hey man, I gotta voice my 2 cents to the world some how LOL.
Most of the rumors I read regarding the tablet and camera always spoke of how likely it is to be at the September event. They also said Steve Jobs wouldn't make an appearance lol.
And these days, I have enough strangers telling me (or screaming) how I should live my life so why not throw it back at another bunch of strangers. Aint I a stinker?
I still can't see why this device needs to exist. Is it just to browse the web from my sofa? If so, the price is hilarious. If it's a portable media player then it's far too bulky. Then what? A computer with no buttons? Count me out.
Tablets have failed in the Windows world for many, many years now. Personally I believe that's simply due to the entire tablet concept being pointless.
The reason why you can't understand the need for writing or touching is that you are wedded to the 19th century typewriter and powerpoint presentations. Anyone who has done a minimum of science will understand the limitations of the typewriter.
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Where the hell are you from, you spew the same old garbage again & again even when we offer up ways for you to educate yourself. This has been mentioned before but if you don't believe what is posted here go check out the jailbreak community. Otherwise stop posting about things you don't understand it just makes you look ignorant.
STOP ATTACKING MY FRIEND ☮YOU SOUND LIKE A REAL LOSER MANY HERE LIKE WHAT TECk STUD HAS TO SAY FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ALL THAT .INSTEAD YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER TO COUNTER WITH A POINT BY POINT DISCUSSION TO PROVE HIM WRONG >THAT IS THE WAY ITS DONE
♊♊☤☤☤Also Apple has clearly stated that user multi tasking does not fit into their vision for the iPhone. The current arraingement is nothing more than a choice Apple made when designing iPhone, that does not imply that the policy will hold on future devices. APPLE NEVER SAID ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT THIS >PLEASE GIVE US A CLEAR LINK TO BACK WHAT YOU SAY .WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BY OTHERS THAT MULTI FUNCTION DRAINS THE BATTERY SO APPLE IS NOT DOING IT . AGAIN 3RD PARTIES HAVE STATED THIS NOT APPLE . BATTERY LIFE IS STOPPING MULTI FUNCTION
Again it does exist and frankly this is the last time I'm going to try to set you straight. The limitation is on user apps that haven't been blessed by Apple, Mail for example is always running.
WHY THE LAST TIME >WHO ARE YOU TO SET ANYONE STRAIGHT ?? WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO FRIENDS HERE AND WE DISCUSS THINGS .WE DON;T GET UPSET AND BELITTLE OTHER PEOPLE
Good for you. At this point you have convinced me that you wouldn't be able to leverage the software for anything constructive anyways.[/COLOR]
ODDLY YOU ALWAYS HAVE GREAT STUFF TO SAY . TECKSTUD IS THE MOST WIDELY READ AND MOST WIDELY QUOTED MEMBER HERE > THE ONES THAT CSN'RT STAND HIM LIKE YOU IT SEEMS PLACE HIM OR MR OR ANY ONE THEY DON'T CARE FOR ON THE IGNORE LIST
ITS THERE ITS FREE USE IT .
REMEMBER THE WORLD COMES HERE AND READS
NO ONE WANTS TO SEE BICKERING
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How do you know that?
I doubt that very many people have a full-size touch keyboard at their disposal-- especially for a long enough period time to become accustomed to the differences.
I do somewhat. I have a FITR based touch surface but haven't conducted a study yet. No funding for a real experiment and too much effort to go through a IRB for a "quick and dirty" study.
Also, the virtual keyboard [driver] software could be written in such a way that it could outperform a physical keyboard in speed in comfort:
1) rest the palms and fingertips on the surface
2) the home row is wherever your hands are
3) type by slightly pressing a finger (or slightly lifting, or wiggling a finger)
Slight pressing doesn't typically register as anything. Wiggling will happen anyway and cause excessive error rates and is difficult to reliably detect.
4) reach non-home-row keys by lifting and moving finger, slightly, towards the desired key
and wiggle another finger causing a false input.
That is only one way that a touch surface could outperform a physical keyboard,
Except we've gone through this and your scenario isn't. Not to mention that on a 10" slate device you've just wiped out half of the usable screen real estate by using a touch keyboard.
I keep reading about people wanting to run iWorks or any of a number of other documentvcreation programs on this Touch based tablet. It makes want to scream are you all nuts? It is a Touch tablet with no touch typing ability, nobody is going to be writing long winded documents on this thing. A short e-Mail yes of filling out a form, put a multi page document is likely to be way to frustrating. Dave
doctors and business people will type all day on the same style but larger key board that we find on the iphone . I mean dave so many of my friends send full emails pages long right now with there iphone's.
Remember all the multi touch was invented way back when for the tablet crowd > i think it was NEXT/BE early PIXAR days when the whole multi touch got its patents <<i think >
,It was applied to a small device first but it is way better suited for a large screen more .Doctors lawyers and field workers have needed a product like this forever .After 18 months after its out the public will let is know what its best used for just like the touch
peace
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