I hate to stomp all over your moment of "genius", but OS X's Dock existed in NeXTSTEP long before Microsoft ever started working on Windows 95. NeXTSTEP also predates Linux altogether, even the first kernel release. That said, I don't think we need to hear any more "facts" that you feel the need to pull from your posterior. Thank you.
How many years did Microsooft have a taskbar before Apple had its dock?
(you can pull your foot out of your posterior if you dare too)
This is a fascinating thread... and I, for one, am glad that (by the looks of it) Windows users might be getting something better, after years of pain.
My question is this. I'm a Mac user (doing a lot of multimedia development), and my wife is a Windows user (doing tons of data processing for medical research). In both cases, we find ourselves running up against the 32-bit RAM ceiling (which I believe is 4Gb per application space). When we're both crunching big numbers, both current O/S's (XP and SL) have real problems from a RAM allocation standpoint.
I know that SL is now 64-bit ready, but I'm still waiting for the app devs to catch up to the ridiculous capabilities of the MacPro, including its big RAM capacity. Same for her, over in Windows land.
So the question is -- which O/S is best positioned (with its dev community) to get over this 64-bit hump once and for all, and release all of the power our hardware has, but can't use?
... or am I missing something obvious?
It all depends on which platform developers decide to take seriously regarding 64-bit. I would say Macs might be the way to go, only because they've been shipping 64-bit compatible operating systems for a few years now, while Microsoft's 64-bit versions only started selling regularly since last year.
Keep in mind that there are RAM limitations in the various versions of Windows. For example, Home Premium might only allow up to 16 or 32 gigs of ram, while Professional and upwards will support the theoretical 16tb. I don't know if my numbers are accurate, so please research that while making future decisions.
Windows 7 hasn't been out long enough to know how well it holds up over time. For instance, will users feel compelled to reinstall every 6-12 months as the garbage collects?
Some people have been using Windows 7 since January of this year. Yes, they would have had to upgrade or reinstall by now because of the beta expiration, but the RC and RTM have many enhancements made to them that make them superior to the beta, and the beta was already performing like a finished product.
Time will tell, for sure, but there's no doubt in my mind that you'll be better off 6-12 months from now with Windows 7 than Vista or XP.
Who cares where it originated - it who utilzed it first and for how long. Besides, Mossberg states in the review today, if you would READ it,
I'm sorry, did I miss something? Did you not state that OS X's Dock was taken from Windows? I believe you did, and I corrected you. Jobs & Co. have been using the Dock far longer than anyone else.
As for the taskbar in Windows 7, it now provides the same funtionality as the Dock, only instead of Expose, it shows previews as thumbnails on the taskbar.
I acknowledge the MSRP for Windows 7 Ultimate is incorrectly stated in the article, and confirm the price is $320 and not $400.
If you re-read my message, I did mention "Intel based Macs" on a number of occasions and fully appreciate the fact Snow Leopard does not work with older PowerPC based Macs.
We will simply have different perspectives on what "runs well" on a given vintage PC, as we did not declare what application is being used on the system as a reference (e.g. office vs more graphic intensive applications).
As to "value", I maintain the opinion that Apple is still the better value-for-money proposition, as I failed to mention the "Apple Experience", for me, is much better than with Microsoft and a given PC manufacturer.
Lemon Bon Bon:
If the rumored polycarbonate based MacBooks (and new iMacs) are everything we hope for, then I think there is a good possibility it will give consumers more reason to pause and consider going Mac. Again, I'm all about value-for-money, but need to mention the "Apple Experience" is high on my priority list.
I'm an avid PC user (as most in this room know and hate). If you are saying that 99% of Windows 7 users are going to get it with a new computer purchase you need to put down the pipe.
I've got 2 perfectly good PC's and have been testing Windows 7 RC in virtual mode on my laptop (Dell XPS). It has worked out great for me and I will upgrade both my desktop computer and notebook when 7 ships and has been used in the real world for a good month.
(As Snow Leapord Users should have done as well).
All of my PC friends are going to take the same path and none of us are currently in the market for a new PC (Netbook Yes) not a PC or notebook.
Yes, I think Win 7 is great but will only upgrade after it has been in the mainstream for a while and insure that I haven't overlooked anything in my testing.
Businesses will not make all new purchases in this economy, those that have been testing it (as the company I work for) will likely take the same path.
As for XP not being able to upgrade programs to Win 7. If you are running XP (as my desktop home computer is) a clean install is the smartest path to take. I may even do it for my laptop but I'll base that on user experience from reviews I read.
definitely not 99%, but this is where most of their sales come from.
I'm sorry, did I miss something? Did you not state that OS X's Dock was taken from Windows? I believe you did, and I corrected you. Jobs & Co. have been using the Dock far longer than anyone else.
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SHow me when /where. Somehow I missed that feature in OS9.
Windows 7 hasn't been out long enough to know how well it holds up over time. For instance, will users feel compelled to reinstall every 6-12 months as the garbage collects?
Who cares where it originated - it who utilzed it first and for how long. Besides, Mossberg states in the review today, if you would READ it,
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How many years did Microsooft have a taskbar before Apple had its dock? (you can pull your foot out of your posterior if you dare too)
WTF?
You make a post that says Apple didn't originate the dock, then when you are corrected (by several people), you say it doesn't matter who originated it? Are you crazy? Your just filling up the air with nonsense. There is even a posted link in this thread leading to a detailed history of the dock, where it originated and when, but you didn't chose to reply to that one.
You don't know what you're talking about, and almost no one cares what you think about this stuff. You can't even spell or write whole sentences for cripes sake.
It all depends on which platform developers decide to take seriously regarding 64-bit. <snip.
Well, that's the rub. I'm a firm Mac convert, and she's agnostic about O/S as long as she can get her work done. But either way, it's deeply irritating that in both environments, the machine is capable of so much more than the O/S / app architecture allows. Apart from all of the other valid issues in this thread, THIS is the one that makes me crazy. It's basic, people -- if you're going to build me a Ferrari, for God's sake give me the gas to run it.
Two things - One, I don't think you'll ever see an Apple tablet. I think you'll see a Macbook with a turn-around screen with multitouch, but I doubt you'll see a dedicated device.
You make a post that says Apple didn't originate the dock, then when you are corrected (by several people), you say it doesn't matter who originated it? Are you crazy? Your just filling up the air with nonsense. There is even a posted link in this thread leading to a detailed history of the dock, where it originated and when, but you didn't chose to reply to that one.
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I hate to stomp all over your moment of "genius", but OS X's Dock existed in NeXTSTEP long before Microsoft ever started working on Windows 95.
How many years did Microsooft have a taskbar before Apple had its dock?
(you can pull your foot out of your posterior if you dare too)
This is a fascinating thread... and I, for one, am glad that (by the looks of it) Windows users might be getting something better, after years of pain.
My question is this. I'm a Mac user (doing a lot of multimedia development), and my wife is a Windows user (doing tons of data processing for medical research). In both cases, we find ourselves running up against the 32-bit RAM ceiling (which I believe is 4Gb per application space). When we're both crunching big numbers, both current O/S's (XP and SL) have real problems from a RAM allocation standpoint.
I know that SL is now 64-bit ready, but I'm still waiting for the app devs to catch up to the ridiculous capabilities of the MacPro, including its big RAM capacity. Same for her, over in Windows land.
So the question is -- which O/S is best positioned (with its dev community) to get over this 64-bit hump once and for all, and release all of the power our hardware has, but can't use?
... or am I missing something obvious?
It all depends on which platform developers decide to take seriously regarding 64-bit. I would say Macs might be the way to go, only because they've been shipping 64-bit compatible operating systems for a few years now, while Microsoft's 64-bit versions only started selling regularly since last year.
Keep in mind that there are RAM limitations in the various versions of Windows. For example, Home Premium might only allow up to 16 or 32 gigs of ram, while Professional and upwards will support the theoretical 16tb. I don't know if my numbers are accurate, so please research that while making future decisions.
Windows 7 hasn't been out long enough to know how well it holds up over time. For instance, will users feel compelled to reinstall every 6-12 months as the garbage collects?
Some people have been using Windows 7 since January of this year. Yes, they would have had to upgrade or reinstall by now because of the beta expiration, but the RC and RTM have many enhancements made to them that make them superior to the beta, and the beta was already performing like a finished product.
Time will tell, for sure, but there's no doubt in my mind that you'll be better off 6-12 months from now with Windows 7 than Vista or XP.
Who cares where it originated - it who utilzed it first and for how long. Besides, Mossberg states in the review today, if you would READ it,
I'm sorry, did I miss something? Did you not state that OS X's Dock was taken from Windows? I believe you did, and I corrected you. Jobs & Co. have been using the Dock far longer than anyone else.
As for the taskbar in Windows 7, it now provides the same funtionality as the Dock, only instead of Expose, it shows previews as thumbnails on the taskbar.
I acknowledge the MSRP for Windows 7 Ultimate is incorrectly stated in the article, and confirm the price is $320 and not $400.
If you re-read my message, I did mention "Intel based Macs" on a number of occasions and fully appreciate the fact Snow Leopard does not work with older PowerPC based Macs.
We will simply have different perspectives on what "runs well" on a given vintage PC, as we did not declare what application is being used on the system as a reference (e.g. office vs more graphic intensive applications).
As to "value", I maintain the opinion that Apple is still the better value-for-money proposition, as I failed to mention the "Apple Experience", for me, is much better than with Microsoft and a given PC manufacturer.
Lemon Bon Bon:
If the rumored polycarbonate based MacBooks (and new iMacs) are everything we hope for, then I think there is a good possibility it will give consumers more reason to pause and consider going Mac. Again, I'm all about value-for-money, but need to mention the "Apple Experience" is high on my priority list.
-YipYipYipee
Your response has little to no truth in it.
I'm an avid PC user (as most in this room know and hate). If you are saying that 99% of Windows 7 users are going to get it with a new computer purchase you need to put down the pipe.
I've got 2 perfectly good PC's and have been testing Windows 7 RC in virtual mode on my laptop (Dell XPS). It has worked out great for me and I will upgrade both my desktop computer and notebook when 7 ships and has been used in the real world for a good month.
(As Snow Leapord Users should have done as well).
All of my PC friends are going to take the same path and none of us are currently in the market for a new PC (Netbook Yes) not a PC or notebook.
Yes, I think Win 7 is great but will only upgrade after it has been in the mainstream for a while and insure that I haven't overlooked anything in my testing.
Businesses will not make all new purchases in this economy, those that have been testing it (as the company I work for) will likely take the same path.
As for XP not being able to upgrade programs to Win 7. If you are running XP (as my desktop home computer is) a clean install is the smartest path to take. I may even do it for my laptop but I'll base that on user experience from reviews I read.
definitely not 99%, but this is where most of their sales come from.
If this is true this embarrassing for him. Personally I don't rate him much at all and find his video reviews mega-boring and he style quite pompous.
That said I don't think Vista 7 is that bad. But, it's no OS X.
Can you Touch on your computer with OSX like you can with W7?
I'm sorry, did I miss something? Did you not state that OS X's Dock was taken from Windows? I believe you did, and I corrected you. Jobs & Co. have been using the Dock far longer than anyone else.
.
SHow me when /where. Somehow I missed that feature in OS9.
Who used it first?
How many years did Microsooft have a taskbar before Apple had its dock?
(you can pull your foot out of your posterior if you dare too)
OS X is NeXSTEP, therefore, the Dock has been there since 1988.
Windows 7 hasn't been out long enough to know how well it holds up over time. For instance, will users feel compelled to reinstall every 6-12 months as the garbage collects?
Windows 7 also means no iLife.
SHow me when /where. Somehow I missed that feature in OS9.
Who used it first?
You're looking in the wrong place.
Don't encourage him when he's purposely trying to derail a thread.
Your paranoia is extremely laughable.
Who cares where it originated - it who utilzed it first and for how long. Besides, Mossberg states in the review today, if you would READ it,
How many years did Microsooft have a taskbar before Apple had its dock? (you can pull your foot out of your posterior if you dare too)
WTF?
You make a post that says Apple didn't originate the dock, then when you are corrected (by several people), you say it doesn't matter who originated it? Are you crazy? Your just filling up the air with nonsense. There is even a posted link in this thread leading to a detailed history of the dock, where it originated and when, but you didn't chose to reply to that one.
You don't know what you're talking about, and almost no one cares what you think about this stuff. You can't even spell or write whole sentences for cripes sake.
Can you Touch on your computer with OSX like you can with W7?
Yes, it's called the iPhone. Maybe you've heard of it.
It all depends on which platform developers decide to take seriously regarding 64-bit. <snip.
Well, that's the rub. I'm a firm Mac convert, and she's agnostic about O/S as long as she can get her work done. But either way, it's deeply irritating that in both environments, the machine is capable of so much more than the O/S / app architecture allows. Apart from all of the other valid issues in this thread, THIS is the one that makes me crazy. It's basic, people -- if you're going to build me a Ferrari, for God's sake give me the gas to run it.
sigh.
Let's. They're all 'Macs'...all 'Jobs' creatures...great and small.
All flavours of 'X' will be counted...tablet too...as, when, if it arrives. The numbers speak for themselves.
'Halo'.
Lemon Bon Bon.
Put the OS X kernel on an SD card and we'll call that a Mac too then.
OS X is NeXSTEP, therefore, the Dock has been there since 1988.
WRONG- Apple has not had a dock since 1988 in its OS. No more wasting my time.
Two things - One, I don't think you'll ever see an Apple tablet. I think you'll see a Macbook with a turn-around screen with multitouch, but I doubt you'll see a dedicated device.
Ireland?
Lemon Bon Bon.
Ha!
Yes, it's called the iPhone. Maybe you've heard of it.
Oh that iPod I own where I can't run more than one App at a time ( unless you call listtening to music muiti-tasking)
I was talking about a laptop/ desktop- haven't you READ MOSSBERG?
WTF?
You make a post that says Apple didn't originate the dock, then when you are corrected (by several people), you say it doesn't matter who originated it? Are you crazy? Your just filling up the air with nonsense. There is even a posted link in this thread leading to a detailed history of the dock, where it originated and when, but you didn't chose to reply to that one.
L-WTF?
Apple didn't- NEXTSTEP did.
Cannot you READ?