OK, but even if it is still not under warranty and if the problem is easily reproducible, if you took it into an Apple store and could reproduce the problem, I wonder if Apple would:
1) blame it on the hardware and try to sell you a new iPhone
2) blame it on the router and go in the backroom and reset THEIR router
3) blame it on the OS and do a restore for you right there and retest it.
I've already done a restore, a full erase (the 2 hour job and then set up as new), a network reset, etc. None of them worked.
And what would I get out of it, other than them telling me to buy a new iPhone? Apple won't even admit there is a problem.
Well, if you can reproduce the problem in front of them, I guess two things:
1) They will have to admit there is a problem if it is staring them in the face.
2) If it is hardware related, they won't be able to say "It's the router, it's the router", which everyone with this problem says Apple is blaming it on.
This was just a suggestion and something I'd do if I had this problem. I'm lucky enough to have an Apple store near me.
Another thing you could request (but don't know if they would do) is have a Genius reinstall the previous OS for you, that didn't have the problem (3.0?).
Well, if you can reproduce the problem in front of them, I guess two things:
1) They will have to admit there is a problem if it is staring them in the face.
2) If it is hardware related, they won't be able to say "It's the router, it's the router", which everyone with this problem says Apple is blaming it on.
This was just a suggestion and something I'd do if I had this problem. I'm lucky enough to have an Apple store near me.
Another thing you could request (but don't know if they would do) is have a Genius reinstall the previous OS for you, that didn't have the problem (3.0?).
Unlikely they would admit anything as they could easily blame it on hardware regardless of the cause. It's only my word that it started happening with the 3.1 upgrade, although I don't know what benefit I would gain by lying about such a thing. One of my few pet peeves about Apple is their lack of communication on known issues.
What's odd is that if you don't use WiFi, it connects at some point (albeit with horrible sub modem throughput). Any use of the WiFi causes it to disconnect shortly after though.
Unlikely they would admit anything as they could easily blame it on hardware regardless of the cause. It's only my word that it started happening with the 3.1 upgrade, although I don't know what benefit I would gain by lying about such a thing. One of my few pet peeves about Apple is their lack of communication on known issues.
What's odd is that if you don't use WiFi, it connects at some point (albeit with horrible sub modem throughput). Any use of the WiFi causes it to disconnect shortly after though.
Well reverting back to the 3.0 software should show them that it is not a hardware problem. Again, I don't know if they would even do this, but if this happened to me, I'd at least try. Obviously no one with this problem is getting anywhere by just hoping that each new update fixes the problem.
Well, if you can reproduce the problem in front of them, I guess two things:
1) They will have to admit there is a problem if it is staring them in the face.
2) If it is hardware related, they won't be able to say "It's the router, it's the router", which everyone with this problem says Apple is blaming it on.
This was just a suggestion and something I'd do if I had this problem. I'm lucky enough to have an Apple store near me.
Another thing you could request (but don't know if they would do) is have a Genius reinstall the previous OS for you, that didn't have the problem (3.0?).
Why go to this trouble? A few minutes of googling will reveal that the Apple store can't do anything more than we can do as users. The best anyone can do is a hard reset of the phone, a reboot of the router, and even a full reinstall of the the iPhone software.
The only thing going to the store could do is provide smug feeling when the Apple employee admits that there is a problem and that they don't have a solution.
Rather than wasting time at an Apple store, I did the same thing from the comfort of home and eagerly await a patch from Apple. I'm not pissed. Rather, just pointing out that there is a wifi problem. Apple certainly knows about it, but as is the case with most software companies, chooses not to comment. A fix is in the works... we just have to wait for it.
While the wifi bugs are real and quite common, trouble-free wifi usage is probably still the norm.
Yeah, if I guessed I'd say it's effected about 1/5 of users. With about 1/3 of those having absolutely zero WiFi with no fix.
If I hear one more person say it's the router I'll eat my hat. It's not the router. You don't update your phone, get an issue and blame the router. My laptop is fine and my 2G is fine for the most part. I have restored my 3G 3 times and cannot fix the issue. I have looked into this thing throughly, it's not the router. Frankly I find people saying adjust your router insulting. For the most part it affects the 3G iPhone more than any other it seems. It affects the 2G iPhone to a lesser degree. It's not the router.
Anyone who thinks it's a router issue has not thought it though, let alone reasserted thing bloody thing. Simple common sense says it's not the router.
Apple releases iPhone OS 3.1.2 with glitch, crash fixes
Poorly worded headline. My first guess was there was a glitch in the newly-released software. Then I read it some more and concluded the glitch was in the headline writing, not the software. You guys gotta be more careful. It's not uncommon to see people beat up on someone who points out a spelling/punctuation/grammar error. But sometimes it matters.
How about this:
"Apple releases iPhone OS 3.1.2 with fixes for glitches and crashes"?
Thankfully I was smart enough to get out of the Mac OS when I entered corporate America.
I call Troll - that line is the final tipoff - it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. I have been saddled with Windows in the corporate world for many years. Was blessed to work at an all-Mac shop for a year where our Macbooks never crashed. As opposed to Win Hell everywhere else.
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Not to be picky, but it's a Carly Simon song. James Taylor, an ex-husband was once thought to be the subject of the song but was ruled out by Carly herself. The smart money is on Warren Beatty.
Do they charge over the air too? Because if not, sounds like you still have to plug your phone in every night like every other phone user in the world.
Funny you should mention that, the Pre can charge wirelessly...
At least you have WiFi, AT ALLL. On my 3G I have zero Wifi, and no data contract
I've been stuck on my old spare 2G for the last few weeks. It could be worse though, I could have no iPhone. Still, they need to address the WiFi issues. They have been widespread for nearly two month now. Even my 2G drops WiFi now and then
That's what happened to my iPhone 3G. The WiFi went dead even before I upgraded to 3.0. I eventually took it to Apple Store and they replaced my less-than-three-months-old iPhone with a workable one, though not a new one. The current iPhone 3G that they replaced has been working fine for me, even after I upgraded to 3.1.2. I suggest you to go to Apple Store for help, especially if the warranty of your iPhone is still valid.
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OK, but even if it is still not under warranty and if the problem is easily reproducible, if you took it into an Apple store and could reproduce the problem, I wonder if Apple would:
1) blame it on the hardware and try to sell you a new iPhone
2) blame it on the router and go in the backroom and reset THEIR router
3) blame it on the OS and do a restore for you right there and retest it.
I've already done a restore, a full erase (the 2 hour job and then set up as new), a network reset, etc. None of them worked.
I've already done a restore, a full erase (the 2 hour job and then set up as new), a network reset, etc. None of them worked.
Yes, but my point is doing this at an Apple store, in front of Apple employees and seeing what they say.
I'd think it would be hard for them to say it is a router problem or an OS problem and NOT be able to fix it for you right there.
Yes, but my point is doing this at an Apple store, in front of Apple employees and seeing what they say.
I'd think it would be hard for them to say it is a router problem or an OS problem and NOT be able to fix it for you right there.
Why would they do these things when the phone is out of warranty?
Why would they do these things when the phone is out of warranty?
Because you set up a Genius appointment. I've taken my out of warranty MBP in to have a problems diagnosed before. You don't think they'd do this?
Because you set up a Genius appointment. I've taken my out of warranty MBP in to have a problems diagnosed before. You don't think they'd do this?
And what would I get out of it, other than them telling me to buy a new iPhone? Apple won't even admit there is a problem.
And what would I get out of it, other than them telling me to buy a new iPhone? Apple won't even admit there is a problem.
Well, if you can reproduce the problem in front of them, I guess two things:
1) They will have to admit there is a problem if it is staring them in the face.
2) If it is hardware related, they won't be able to say "It's the router, it's the router", which everyone with this problem says Apple is blaming it on.
This was just a suggestion and something I'd do if I had this problem. I'm lucky enough to have an Apple store near me.
Another thing you could request (but don't know if they would do) is have a Genius reinstall the previous OS for you, that didn't have the problem (3.0?).
Well, if you can reproduce the problem in front of them, I guess two things:
1) They will have to admit there is a problem if it is staring them in the face.
2) If it is hardware related, they won't be able to say "It's the router, it's the router", which everyone with this problem says Apple is blaming it on.
This was just a suggestion and something I'd do if I had this problem. I'm lucky enough to have an Apple store near me.
Another thing you could request (but don't know if they would do) is have a Genius reinstall the previous OS for you, that didn't have the problem (3.0?).
Unlikely they would admit anything as they could easily blame it on hardware regardless of the cause. It's only my word that it started happening with the 3.1 upgrade, although I don't know what benefit I would gain by lying about such a thing. One of my few pet peeves about Apple is their lack of communication on known issues.
What's odd is that if you don't use WiFi, it connects at some point (albeit with horrible sub modem throughput). Any use of the WiFi causes it to disconnect shortly after though.
Unlikely they would admit anything as they could easily blame it on hardware regardless of the cause. It's only my word that it started happening with the 3.1 upgrade, although I don't know what benefit I would gain by lying about such a thing. One of my few pet peeves about Apple is their lack of communication on known issues.
What's odd is that if you don't use WiFi, it connects at some point (albeit with horrible sub modem throughput). Any use of the WiFi causes it to disconnect shortly after though.
Well reverting back to the 3.0 software should show them that it is not a hardware problem. Again, I don't know if they would even do this, but if this happened to me, I'd at least try. Obviously no one with this problem is getting anywhere by just hoping that each new update fixes the problem.
Well, if you can reproduce the problem in front of them, I guess two things:
1) They will have to admit there is a problem if it is staring them in the face.
2) If it is hardware related, they won't be able to say "It's the router, it's the router", which everyone with this problem says Apple is blaming it on.
This was just a suggestion and something I'd do if I had this problem. I'm lucky enough to have an Apple store near me.
Another thing you could request (but don't know if they would do) is have a Genius reinstall the previous OS for you, that didn't have the problem (3.0?).
Why go to this trouble? A few minutes of googling will reveal that the Apple store can't do anything more than we can do as users. The best anyone can do is a hard reset of the phone, a reboot of the router, and even a full reinstall of the the iPhone software.
The only thing going to the store could do is provide smug feeling when the Apple employee admits that there is a problem and that they don't have a solution.
Rather than wasting time at an Apple store, I did the same thing from the comfort of home and eagerly await a patch from Apple. I'm not pissed. Rather, just pointing out that there is a wifi problem. Apple certainly knows about it, but as is the case with most software companies, chooses not to comment. A fix is in the works... we just have to wait for it.
Or, to be perfectly fair, he hasn't been unlucky.
While the wifi bugs are real and quite common, trouble-free wifi usage is probably still the norm.
Yeah, if I guessed I'd say it's effected about 1/5 of users. With about 1/3 of those having absolutely zero WiFi with no fix.
If I hear one more person say it's the router I'll eat my hat. It's not the router. You don't update your phone, get an issue and blame the router. My laptop is fine and my 2G is fine for the most part. I have restored my 3G 3 times and cannot fix the issue. I have looked into this thing throughly, it's not the router. Frankly I find people saying adjust your router insulting. For the most part it affects the 3G iPhone more than any other it seems. It affects the 2G iPhone to a lesser degree. It's not the router.
Anyone who thinks it's a router issue has not thought it though, let alone reasserted thing bloody thing. Simple common sense says it's not the router.
Apple releases iPhone OS 3.1.2 with glitch, crash fixes
Poorly worded headline. My first guess was there was a glitch in the newly-released software. Then I read it some more and concluded the glitch was in the headline writing, not the software. You guys gotta be more careful. It's not uncommon to see people beat up on someone who points out a spelling/punctuation/grammar error. But sometimes it matters.
How about this:
"Apple releases iPhone OS 3.1.2 with fixes for glitches and crashes"?
peace out
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Thankfully I was smart enough to get out of the Mac OS when I entered corporate America.
I call Troll - that line is the final tipoff - it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. I have been saddled with Windows in the corporate world for many years. Was blessed to work at an all-Mac shop for a year where our Macbooks never crashed. As opposed to Win Hell everywhere else.
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Not to be picky, but it's a Carly Simon song. James Taylor, an ex-husband was once thought to be the subject of the song but was ruled out by Carly herself. The smart money is on Warren Beatty.
Carly should really come clean and tell us.
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I didn't know that... that sounds really nice.
Do they charge over the air too? Because if not, sounds like you still have to plug your phone in every night like every other phone user in the world.
Funny you should mention that, the Pre can charge wirelessly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoeGqR2cfk
also in my experience, most Blackberrys and many windows mobile phones can go a few days without a recharge...
At least you have WiFi, AT ALLL. On my 3G I have zero Wifi, and no data contract
I've been stuck on my old spare 2G for the last few weeks. It could be worse though, I could have no iPhone. Still, they need to address the WiFi issues. They have been widespread for nearly two month now. Even my 2G drops WiFi now and then
That's what happened to my iPhone 3G. The WiFi went dead even before I upgraded to 3.0. I eventually took it to Apple Store and they replaced my less-than-three-months-old iPhone with a workable one, though not a new one. The current iPhone 3G that they replaced has been working fine for me, even after I upgraded to 3.1.2. I suggest you to go to Apple Store for help, especially if the warranty of your iPhone is still valid.