You Apple fan boys believe there is some war going on between Microsoft and Apple. I can assure you there is not. Apple is less than a thorn in Microsoft's side.
I'm so glad that YOU can assure us. Perhaps now would be a good time for YOU to assure M$ before they spend/waste the entire 300 million on anti apple ads.
In this day and age, there is no reason why anyone should be getting viruses, mac or otherwise. I have been using PCs all my life and have never had a virus or ever experienced loading times or hangs that would make me want to give up windows and go to a mac. a few extra seconds to load an app or a brief hang are not going to kill you.
The reason why apple's OS runs better than windows is because it is built specifically for apple's hardware. Apple has the ability to tweak and tune its software to run in complete harmony with the hardware it uses. Microsoft on the other hand has to cater to hundreds of different hardware components.
You've never lived in a dorm then. Within a minute of plugging my network cable into the wall, I had a message telling me that my computer was going to shut down in 60 seconds... then it did. Of course I didn't blame Windows, I blamed the bunch of idiots on the network. I had just bought a used computer and had planned download an antivirus program (I was a poor student after all), but the virus made it difficult to execute that plan without getting my internet service disconnected. The problem was so widespread that they were disconnecting peoples internet left right and center.
I agree on the fact that most people shouldn't have a lot of problems with malware now sentiment. I noticed that even spyware is way down in Windows 7, I ran adaware out of habit from my XP/college/pre-mac days and it found next to nothing. A lot of peoples problems on the Windows side come from not installing the security updates for the OS.
P.S. Why do some people here talk from the perspective of wanting what's best for Apple rather than what's best for the consumer? How many shares did you buy?
To accurately talk about business you need to look at it from the companies' perspective. Their goals are not your goals! I can tell you exactly what I want as a consumer, but that isn?t necessarily what you want as a consumer and will definitely not match every consumer?s needs. Look at MS? business model for Windows to see how supporting legacy code and charging a a lot more for retail version of the OS is the best path for MS. Those that say that MS should drop all legacy code like Apple or drop the price of Windows to match Snow Leopard because they think OS X is better are looking at it from their perspective. You simply can?t do that if you wish to understand the best path the company thinks it should take. In the end, if a product doesn?t fit your needs you don?t buy it. That is how you show a company that they have failed.
Some here can only think from their own perspective and hence they are deemed cycnical trolls when they bitch that Apple didn?t do exactly what they want when they wanted it for a price they are willing to pay. Does that sound like anyone here?
What they've spent PALES in comparison to what Apple has spent over the las t 5 years on TV advertising to gain a measly 3-5%. What did you put in your coffee this morning?
And where do you THINK (God, there's a stretch) that 3-5% market share came from, linux?
Apple goes up 5%, M$ goes down 5% .... that's a 10% swing ... worth every penny..... fyi, just cream.
So Apple bought their own chip making company BUT chooses to use Intel chips....why again? To appeal to more mainstream computer buying public to gain market share and to be able to use "Dual Boot" with Windows as a selling point! I don't have the numbers but wonder what the sales figure are for Apple computer before Intel chips and then after Intel chips were introduced.
Yes, the "mainstream computer buying public" who have enough $$ to buy into the Mac ecosystem or who see greater value in spending more up front on a Mac.
And Intel = economy of scale, anyway.
If Apple wanted to remain "Premium" and capture "mindshare" they would have developed their own chips and used everything in house but they went after a braoder more mainstream market!
And how exactly does Apple dictae the market? They don't.
Except that they *are* a Premium vendor . . . because they rule the Premium end of the market. The market decides, and they have. Again, you're assuming a relationship between Intel and "broader mainstream", but for the fact that Apple's prices are set they way they've always been, which locks out a certain portion of that mainstream market. So you have a Premium product based on Intel. If that reality doesn't appeal to you, then complain to consumers who hand Apple their record quarters.
They follow buying trends like everyonne else does. Which market are they dicating?? They do dictate in music players with the iPod but certainly not in the desktop space. They are selling a ton more laptops now days but so is everyome else..... that is the trend!
Please provide figures as to what market they are dictating to the rest of the computing world by dominating it!
Apple dictates market trends in each of their key areas. You don't do this by "dominating" anything (except the market segment in which you compete, not necessarily the entire market!) The Premium end of the market's choices determine the course of technology. Whatever is desirable is bought by the Premium end of the retail pyramid. This is why it is vital that your product capture the Premium consumer. The rest of the market imitates the features of that product, but instead attempts to preempt and otherwise undercut the Premium vendor by offering *similar* features at lower prices. It's that simple.
no they didn't since apple only sells either computers with laptop parts or server parts for the mac pro. not even the build it yourself people care about paying for something like a Mac Pro which is a niche product.
and for the rest Dell and HP sell desktop computers with desktop CPU's and parts which are more powerful than the laptop parts apple sells. for most people there is no need to spend $1000 for a computer because you can get more performance for less. and since iphones and ipods work just fine on Windows, there is no need for a Mac
You truly are a walking advertisement for birth control.
And where do you THINK (God, there's a stretch) that 3-5% market share came from, linux?
Apple goes up 5%, M$ goes down 5% .... that's a 10% swing ... worth every penny..... fyi, just cream.
Gotta love how marketshare is more important to some people than nearly constant record breaking unit sales and profit increases. Not to mention all there focus on OS presence on the web instead of actual PC HW sales.
Some here can only think from their own perspective and hence they are deemed cycnical trolls when they bitch that Apple didn’t do exactly what they want when they wanted it for a price they are willing to pay. Does that sound like anyone here?
Tell us I'd like to know because Apple has given me exactly everything I've wanted this year:
1.) Firewire on the MacBook
2.) MAtte screens on both the 17" and 15"
3.) iPhone Video
4.) iPhone stereo blutooth
5.) iPhone 32gb
6.) iPhone MMS
7.) Most likely Bluray too
Most of those above you have stated were not in Apple's business model.
So who is it? You like to talk if you actually have a seat on Apple's Board of Directors but I hate to inform you- you don't.
And where do you THINK (God, there's a stretch) that 3-5% market share came from, linux?
Apple goes up 5%, M$ goes down 5% .... that's a 10% swing ... worth every penny..... fyi, just cream.
not necessarily true. Who is it that's going out and spending $1000+ on a mac. It's not the stay at home mom, the technologically impaired grandparents, or the working father. Ironically, its the younger, high school and college students, who for most of them its their first computer, who go for the glitz and glamor of a mac. Walk into any Apple store and try to tell me the majority of the customers aren't under 25. So really, its not a blow to Microsoft's market share, its an increase in Apple's market share but in a larger market.
Some here can only think from their own perspective and hence they are deemed cycnical trolls when they bitch that Apple didn’t do exactly what they want when they wanted it for a price they are willing to pay. Does that sound like anyone here?
And once they get what they've been asking for they start whining about Apple ads and market share
A far bigger problem is that Apple barely has penetrated the corporate martket- which in reality is far the biggest "premium" market anyway.
Premium market/corporate market?
I'm sorry TeckDud, but those words just don't "go" together. Corporations, as a whole, don't usually buy "Premium" computers...... they almost always look for biggest discount and/or cheapest price.
Man, your posts are getting more rediculous every day. Are you feeling ok? still taking your meds?
To accurately talk about business you need to look at it from the companies' perspective. Their goals are not your goals! I can tell you exactly what I want as a consumer, but that isn’t necessarily what you want as a consumer and will definitely not match every consumer’s needs. Look at MS’ business model for Windows to see how supporting legacy code and charging a a lot more for retail version of the OS is the best path for MS. Those that say that MS should drop all legacy code like Apple or drop the price of Windows to match Snow Leopard because they think OS X is better are looking at it from their perspective. You simply can’t do that if you wish to understand the best path the company thinks it should take. In the end, if a product doesn’t fit your needs you don’t buy it. That is how you show a company that they have failed.
Some here can only think from their own perspective and hence they are deemed cycnical trolls when they bitch that Apple didn’t do exactly what they want when they wanted it for a price they are willing to pay. Does that sound like anyone here?
I agree, but this is not a business site - well, perhaps aside the APPL indicator on the top left. I'll admit, this was a poorly chosen topic to voice this opinion, being about sales and all, but I felt it was an accurate assertion. To accurately discuss the criticisms of Apple's products and how they can improve them, we need to look at things from a consumer's perspective, as Apple, or any other successful company does. As you mentioned, the success of a company rests with the consumer. If Apple were as inward looking as some of their fans, we wouldn't have things like the app-store.
Also, there is plenty of needless bitching by people about products that they have bought on their own volition (shouldn't they have read the box?). On the other hand, you cannot excuse Apple's own deficiencies (lack of Blu-Ray for example) just because "they are not part of Apple's current strategy". That's PR talk.
I'm sorry TeckDud, but those words just don't "go" together. Corporations, as a whole, don't usually buy "Premium" computers...... they almost always look for biggest discount and/or cheapest price.
Man, your posts are getting more rediculous every day. Are you feeling ok? still taking your meds?
Spell check yourself please, newBEE. Meds? More like your koolaid drip is clogged. Corporate market generates premium sales not premiuim computers.
And once they get what they've been asking for they start whining about Apple ads and market share
Gotta lovet the people that compare OS marketshare to HW sales and truly don?t see the problem with their comparison. For reference, Apple has doubled their Mac sales in 3 years (Q2-2006 1.1M Macs to Q2-2009 2.2M Macs), quarter to quarter. That is pretty damn impressive for any company to do while maintain their current market segment.
As I?ve stated before, I think Apple is saturated and will need to come out with new products that are cheaper. Namely a 13? and 15? MacBook. More unit sales but less gross and net profit per unit.
I wasn't saying anything like that, and I don't know how you could extract that from what I posted. If anything, Apple keeps reducing the prices of their products, with a stay in pricing being justified by offering new hardware.
Never, ever underestimate TeckDud's ability to extract "whatever he wants from from whatever he "reads", whether it's really there or not. One thing about TeckDud is he never lets the absence of fact interfere with a stupid post.
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Please don't reply to t.s. as it kind of reduces the point of putting him in my ignore list.
Oh, sorry, I didn't think of that.
You Apple fan boys believe there is some war going on between Microsoft and Apple. I can assure you there is not. Apple is less than a thorn in Microsoft's side.
I'm so glad that YOU can assure us. Perhaps now would be a good time for YOU to assure M$ before they spend/waste the entire 300 million on anti apple ads.
In this day and age, there is no reason why anyone should be getting viruses, mac or otherwise. I have been using PCs all my life and have never had a virus or ever experienced loading times or hangs that would make me want to give up windows and go to a mac. a few extra seconds to load an app or a brief hang are not going to kill you.
The reason why apple's OS runs better than windows is because it is built specifically for apple's hardware. Apple has the ability to tweak and tune its software to run in complete harmony with the hardware it uses. Microsoft on the other hand has to cater to hundreds of different hardware components.
You've never lived in a dorm then. Within a minute of plugging my network cable into the wall, I had a message telling me that my computer was going to shut down in 60 seconds... then it did. Of course I didn't blame Windows, I blamed the bunch of idiots on the network. I had just bought a used computer and had planned download an antivirus program (I was a poor student after all), but the virus made it difficult to execute that plan without getting my internet service disconnected. The problem was so widespread that they were disconnecting peoples internet left right and center.
I agree on the fact that most people shouldn't have a lot of problems with malware now sentiment. I noticed that even spyware is way down in Windows 7, I ran adaware out of habit from my XP/college/pre-mac days and it found next to nothing. A lot of peoples problems on the Windows side come from not installing the security updates for the OS.
P.S. Why do some people here talk from the perspective of wanting what's best for Apple rather than what's best for the consumer? How many shares did you buy?
To accurately talk about business you need to look at it from the companies' perspective. Their goals are not your goals! I can tell you exactly what I want as a consumer, but that isn?t necessarily what you want as a consumer and will definitely not match every consumer?s needs. Look at MS? business model for Windows to see how supporting legacy code and charging a a lot more for retail version of the OS is the best path for MS. Those that say that MS should drop all legacy code like Apple or drop the price of Windows to match Snow Leopard because they think OS X is better are looking at it from their perspective. You simply can?t do that if you wish to understand the best path the company thinks it should take. In the end, if a product doesn?t fit your needs you don?t buy it. That is how you show a company that they have failed.
Some here can only think from their own perspective and hence they are deemed cycnical trolls when they bitch that Apple didn?t do exactly what they want when they wanted it for a price they are willing to pay. Does that sound like anyone here?
What they've spent PALES in comparison to what Apple has spent over the las t 5 years on TV advertising to gain a measly 3-5%. What did you put in your coffee this morning?
And where do you THINK (God, there's a stretch) that 3-5% market share came from, linux?
Apple goes up 5%, M$ goes down 5% .... that's a 10% swing ... worth every penny..... fyi, just cream.
So Apple bought their own chip making company BUT chooses to use Intel chips....why again? To appeal to more mainstream computer buying public to gain market share and to be able to use "Dual Boot" with Windows as a selling point! I don't have the numbers but wonder what the sales figure are for Apple computer before Intel chips and then after Intel chips were introduced.
Yes, the "mainstream computer buying public" who have enough $$ to buy into the Mac ecosystem or who see greater value in spending more up front on a Mac.
And Intel = economy of scale, anyway.
If Apple wanted to remain "Premium" and capture "mindshare" they would have developed their own chips and used everything in house but they went after a braoder more mainstream market!
And how exactly does Apple dictae the market? They don't.
Except that they *are* a Premium vendor . . . because they rule the Premium end of the market. The market decides, and they have. Again, you're assuming a relationship between Intel and "broader mainstream", but for the fact that Apple's prices are set they way they've always been, which locks out a certain portion of that mainstream market. So you have a Premium product based on Intel. If that reality doesn't appeal to you, then complain to consumers who hand Apple their record quarters.
They follow buying trends like everyonne else does. Which market are they dicating?? They do dictate in music players with the iPod but certainly not in the desktop space. They are selling a ton more laptops now days but so is everyome else..... that is the trend!
Please provide figures as to what market they are dictating to the rest of the computing world by dominating it!
Apple dictates market trends in each of their key areas. You don't do this by "dominating" anything (except the market segment in which you compete, not necessarily the entire market!) The Premium end of the market's choices determine the course of technology. Whatever is desirable is bought by the Premium end of the retail pyramid. This is why it is vital that your product capture the Premium consumer. The rest of the market imitates the features of that product, but instead attempts to preempt and otherwise undercut the Premium vendor by offering *similar* features at lower prices. It's that simple.
Oh, sorry, I didn't think of that.
no they didn't since apple only sells either computers with laptop parts or server parts for the mac pro. not even the build it yourself people care about paying for something like a Mac Pro which is a niche product.
and for the rest Dell and HP sell desktop computers with desktop CPU's and parts which are more powerful than the laptop parts apple sells. for most people there is no need to spend $1000 for a computer because you can get more performance for less. and since iphones and ipods work just fine on Windows, there is no need for a Mac
You truly are a walking advertisement for birth control.
And where do you THINK (God, there's a stretch) that 3-5% market share came from, linux?
Apple goes up 5%, M$ goes down 5% .... that's a 10% swing ... worth every penny..... fyi, just cream.
Gotta love how marketshare is more important to some people than nearly constant record breaking unit sales and profit increases. Not to mention all there focus on OS presence on the web instead of actual PC HW sales.
Some here can only think from their own perspective and hence they are deemed cycnical trolls when they bitch that Apple didn’t do exactly what they want when they wanted it for a price they are willing to pay. Does that sound like anyone here?
Tell us I'd like to know because Apple has given me exactly everything I've wanted this year:
1.) Firewire on the MacBook
2.) MAtte screens on both the 17" and 15"
3.) iPhone Video
4.) iPhone stereo blutooth
5.) iPhone 32gb
6.) iPhone MMS
7.) Most likely Bluray too
Most of those above you have stated were not in Apple's business model.
So who is it? You like to talk if you actually have a seat on Apple's Board of Directors but I hate to inform you- you don't.
And where do you THINK (God, there's a stretch) that 3-5% market share came from, linux?
Apple goes up 5%, M$ goes down 5% .... that's a 10% swing ... worth every penny..... fyi, just cream.
not necessarily true. Who is it that's going out and spending $1000+ on a mac. It's not the stay at home mom, the technologically impaired grandparents, or the working father. Ironically, its the younger, high school and college students, who for most of them its their first computer, who go for the glitz and glamor of a mac. Walk into any Apple store and try to tell me the majority of the customers aren't under 25. So really, its not a blow to Microsoft's market share, its an increase in Apple's market share but in a larger market.
Some here can only think from their own perspective and hence they are deemed cycnical trolls when they bitch that Apple didn’t do exactly what they want when they wanted it for a price they are willing to pay. Does that sound like anyone here?
And once they get what they've been asking for they start whining about Apple ads and market share
A far bigger problem is that Apple barely has penetrated the corporate martket- which in reality is far the biggest "premium" market anyway.
Premium market/corporate market?
I'm sorry TeckDud, but those words just don't "go" together. Corporations, as a whole, don't usually buy "Premium" computers...... they almost always look for biggest discount and/or cheapest price.
Man, your posts are getting more rediculous every day. Are you feeling ok? still taking your meds?
Are you saying Apple computers cost more now? I'm always hearing that refuted on here. You can't have it both ways.
Aw, you're reaching now, TeckDud.
Major textbook example of denial and/or warped reality - take your pick.
What's the matter, TeckDud? Forget the one about "your mother wears army boots"?
To accurately talk about business you need to look at it from the companies' perspective. Their goals are not your goals! I can tell you exactly what I want as a consumer, but that isn’t necessarily what you want as a consumer and will definitely not match every consumer’s needs. Look at MS’ business model for Windows to see how supporting legacy code and charging a a lot more for retail version of the OS is the best path for MS. Those that say that MS should drop all legacy code like Apple or drop the price of Windows to match Snow Leopard because they think OS X is better are looking at it from their perspective. You simply can’t do that if you wish to understand the best path the company thinks it should take. In the end, if a product doesn’t fit your needs you don’t buy it. That is how you show a company that they have failed.
Some here can only think from their own perspective and hence they are deemed cycnical trolls when they bitch that Apple didn’t do exactly what they want when they wanted it for a price they are willing to pay. Does that sound like anyone here?
I agree, but this is not a business site - well, perhaps aside the APPL indicator on the top left. I'll admit, this was a poorly chosen topic to voice this opinion, being about sales and all, but I felt it was an accurate assertion. To accurately discuss the criticisms of Apple's products and how they can improve them, we need to look at things from a consumer's perspective, as Apple, or any other successful company does. As you mentioned, the success of a company rests with the consumer. If Apple were as inward looking as some of their fans, we wouldn't have things like the app-store.
Also, there is plenty of needless bitching by people about products that they have bought on their own volition (shouldn't they have read the box?). On the other hand, you cannot excuse Apple's own deficiencies (lack of Blu-Ray for example) just because "they are not part of Apple's current strategy". That's PR talk.
Premium market/corporate market?
I'm sorry TeckDud, but those words just don't "go" together. Corporations, as a whole, don't usually buy "Premium" computers...... they almost always look for biggest discount and/or cheapest price.
Man, your posts are getting more rediculous every day. Are you feeling ok? still taking your meds?
Spell check yourself please, newBEE. Meds? More like your koolaid drip is clogged. Corporate market generates premium sales not premiuim computers.
Aw, you're reaching now, TeckDud.
Stop the name calling- it's not allowed on here. And learn how to spell. Jeesh!
And once they get what they've been asking for they start whining about Apple ads and market share
Gotta lovet the people that compare OS marketshare to HW sales and truly don?t see the problem with their comparison. For reference, Apple has doubled their Mac sales in 3 years (Q2-2006 1.1M Macs to Q2-2009 2.2M Macs), quarter to quarter. That is pretty damn impressive for any company to do while maintain their current market segment.
As I?ve stated before, I think Apple is saturated and will need to come out with new products that are cheaper. Namely a 13? and 15? MacBook. More unit sales but less gross and net profit per unit.
I wasn't saying anything like that, and I don't know how you could extract that from what I posted. If anything, Apple keeps reducing the prices of their products, with a stay in pricing being justified by offering new hardware.
Never, ever underestimate TeckDud's ability to extract "whatever he wants from from whatever he "reads", whether it's really there or not. One thing about TeckDud is he never lets the absence of fact interfere with a stupid post.