Thanks. Anecdotally, i would agree but that the desktop line seems stagnant. The Mac Pro, Mac Mini and iMac haven’t gotten case changes often and some seem to be forgotten that some thought the Mac Mini would go away. But there are articles that state that Apple’s desktop line is growing faster than the industry and faster than Apple’s notebook line. This may be more of a move to dropping desktop sales in leu of notebook sales, in general, but something is apparently keeping their desktop line popular enough to warrant those stats.
Energy Efficiency. Performance to Dollar. Style may be old to us, but to newcomers it's new. Not knocking the design. I look at the Mini and still marvel at all they can fit into it, PC companies can't do the same and they have had 5 years to copy. It's just better quality inside and out. You pay more but you get more. The old one liner: You get what you pay for.
I think there is room for a larger Mac Mini. Something that's more of a 1/4th scale MacPro Mini Tower setup. Leaving the mini at one model (BTO though) and moving this one in with upgradeable graphics, 3.5" HD but keep the slot load drive. That would make a lot of people very happy and would warrant very good sales. The iMac is a great product. It's the all-in-one every-one wants to have and others try to imitate (HP model coming next week looks very much like it).
Or you can take the reverse and make an iMac in the PC-Popular 18.5" size. Hell, do both. A MiniMacPro for those die-hard non-Apple monitor users who cry for Matte screens, upgradeable graphics, BTO 4-cores and 8gb of RAM (Desktop not laptop) and a low cost iMac that can be sold for $799 USD and give the Apple Experience to user. Apple could even do a holiday bundle and toss in an iPod for free (not a touch, but a shuffle) and have the hottest holiday present since tickle me elmo.
You do know that Office for Mac, or even the ability to run windows on mac exists .... would one of those solutions not work for you?
Dude, it's a windows world- get used to it. Office is used on PCs all across Corporate America and Universities and I imagine even in the Queen's Canada.
The reason why apple's OS runs better than windows is because it is built specifically for apple's hardware. Apple has the ability to tweak and tune its software to run in complete harmony with the hardware it uses. Microsoft on the other hand has to cater to hundreds of different hardware components.
FINALLY, a windows guy that "gets it" That's exactly what we've been trying to tell you all along. Congratulations! ... Now go tell that to TeckDud!
TeckDud, let me explain it to you, going slow and using small words, ok? .... Using the link you provided, M$ has consistently outspent Apple on advertising. The only change is that now they are focussing on TV, rather than print. In other words, they found something else about Apple to copy. Happy?
IS their advertising attacking Apple- no- just recently. Why do I bother with such a NEWBEE?
You really shouldn't use the word "wise" in any reply to TeckDud ... it just doesn't, I don't know, feel right somehow.
How does this help add to the discussion at all? If you don't like what the dude says, put him on your ignore list.
It's mildly irritating to read through a thread, and every couple of posts it's someone like you with mindless comments like this that are simply an attempt at bating someone into an argument.
Why do some people here talk from the perspective of wanting what's best for Apple rather than what's best for the consumer? How many shares did you buy?
I dunno, Maybe it has SOMETHING to do with the name APPLEINSIDER?
There are plenty of things I would change in all of Apple?s products to better suit my needs, but that wouldn?t make much sense.
For instance, I want an iPhone and iPods to have no cameras so i don?t potentially get bothered at the gym and concerts. I want my Mac to have a GPS chip so that the browser and widgets can use the geolocation in HTML5 and the GPS API so that I don?t have to put in the location in my laptop to see maps, weather, movies, etc. As it now I grab my iPhone instead as it?s far easier. Most importantly, I want the optical drive removed completely It?s such a huge component that is slow, prone to failure due to moving parts, and it uses a lot of power. Plus, I never use it. I also want the trackpad to be a display so i can see widgets and other info on it and have the backlit keyboard not be so damn sensitive to light. I can go on, but I think you get my point. While I am fairly certain some of these will happen in due time, there is no reason I should expect Apple to bend to my will simply because it is my will. Despite my handle, I?m no solipsist.
I think the chance for Blu-ray has past. They haven?t even added support to the OS so that 3rd-party players can used. You have to run Windows natively to get Blu-ray movies to work. no OS support, no option for the Mac Pro which uses full size drives and no update to their pro software. Also, the players for Mac notebooks which use a 9.5mm slot-loading drive just came out eariler this year. Teckstud stated that Apple doesn?t have to make such thin notebooks or use slot-loading drives. That is true, but the problem is that he isn?t looking at what Apple wants or what the average customer wants, only want he wants. Now that digital media has had a chance to play some catch up I am thinking that Blu-ray OS support will only come to OS X once Apple has a secure market for digital downloads, and may never offer the players in their Macs.
Once again I see where you're going, and can agree for the most part. In reality, none of the talk on this forum is likely to change what Apple does so being either pro Apple or highly critical doesn't matter either way. It's not so good to see people so quick to agree with Apple when they are slow to move, especially in the rapidly changing tech industry. I applaud Apple on their achievements, they've come a long way - but have much more to do. Which ties in to an on topic(!) point:
Apple's portable computers are selling very well, while the desktop sales are stagnating (even declining). Apple have continually upgraded the hardware and lowered prices, however, looking at the PC market we can see that customer is moving (has moved) to portable devices. Apple have a Netbook on the way if (Mac)rumors are to be believed.
Apple have shown they can redefine markets, so why not continue with the desktop PC market. Portable devices suffer from being underpowered compared to their bulkier cousins. They are also not as great for home entertainment. I'm hoping Apple updates front row and focuses their desktops towards an all in one entertainment experience. They already have massive screens, powerful hardware, and the iTunes engine behind them. The new mouse could also tie in with this. Maybe even include some Sonos-like functions. The ability to use one's iPhone as a mini 'touch pad' with an iMac. I think something drastic like this would compel people to keep and upgrade their desktops while complementing them with their portables - and strengthens the value of an iMac in comparison to a Macbook.
Tell us I'd like to know because Apple has given me exactly everything I've wanted this year:
1.) Firewire on the MacBook
2.) MAtte screens on both the 17" and 15"
3.) iPhone Video
4.) iPhone stereo blutooth
5.) iPhone 32gb
6.) iPhone MMS
7.) Most likely Bluray too
TeckDud, buying a computer is not rocket science (to us anyway) .. if you cannot get what you want from Apple .... go somewhere else, ..... please ....pretty please?
not necessarily true. Who is it that's going out and spending $1000+ on a mac. It's not the stay at home mom, the technologically impaired grandparents, or the working father. Ironically, its the younger, high school and college students, who for most of them its their first computer, who go for the glitz and glamor of a mac. Walk into any Apple store and try to tell me the majority of the customers aren't under 25. So really, its not a blow to Microsoft's market share, its an increase in Apple's market share but in a larger market.
Yea, that demographic almost fits me to a T .... 68 and retired, along with most of my other known macheads.
Energy Efficiency. Performance to Dollar. Style may be old to us, but to newcomers it's new. Not knocking the design. I look at the Mini and still marvel at all they can fit into it, PC companies can't do the same and they have had 5 years to copy. It's just better quality inside and out. You pay more but you get more. The old one liner: You get what you pay for.
I think there is room for a larger Mac Mini. Something that's more of a 1/4th scale MacPro Mini Tower setup. Leaving the mini at one model (BTO though) and moving this one in with upgradeable graphics, 3.5" HD but keep the slot load drive. That would make a lot of people very happy and would warrant very good sales. The iMac is a great product. It's the all-in-one every-one wants to have and others try to imitate (HP model coming next week looks very much like it).
Or you can take the reverse and make an iMac in the PC-Popular 18.5" size. Hell, do both. A MiniMacPro for those die-hard non-Apple monitor users who cry for Matte screens, upgradeable graphics, BTO 4-cores and 8gb of RAM (Desktop not laptop) and a low cost iMac that can be sold for $799 USD and give the Apple Experience to user. Apple could even do a holiday bundle and toss in an iPod for free (not a touch, but a shuffle) and have the hottest holiday present since tickle me elmo.
From your writing to Steve's ears! I haven't bought an Apple desktop since the Cube but would but that mid tower you mentioned in heartbeat!! I don't think they will do it becasue it would cannibalize the iMac and Mac Pro. But that would be SWEET!
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I find that Windows is a nightmare OS, but has the document/spreadsheet functionality I need.
Apple offer a better OS, but document/spreadsheet functionality is a nightmare.
None of this year's releases from Apple and Microsoft significantly changes this balance.
You do know that Office for Mac, or even the ability to run windows on mac exists .... would one of those solutions not work for you?
Tell me the truth now, did you and TeckDud both go to the same "special" college?
Coming from someone obviously still in junior high. It's past 3 o'clock- did you just get home?
Thanks. Anecdotally, i would agree but that the desktop line seems stagnant. The Mac Pro, Mac Mini and iMac haven’t gotten case changes often and some seem to be forgotten that some thought the Mac Mini would go away. But there are articles that state that Apple’s desktop line is growing faster than the industry and faster than Apple’s notebook line. This may be more of a move to dropping desktop sales in leu of notebook sales, in general, but something is apparently keeping their desktop line popular enough to warrant those stats.
Energy Efficiency. Performance to Dollar. Style may be old to us, but to newcomers it's new. Not knocking the design. I look at the Mini and still marvel at all they can fit into it, PC companies can't do the same and they have had 5 years to copy. It's just better quality inside and out. You pay more but you get more. The old one liner: You get what you pay for.
I think there is room for a larger Mac Mini. Something that's more of a 1/4th scale MacPro Mini Tower setup. Leaving the mini at one model (BTO though) and moving this one in with upgradeable graphics, 3.5" HD but keep the slot load drive. That would make a lot of people very happy and would warrant very good sales. The iMac is a great product. It's the all-in-one every-one wants to have and others try to imitate (HP model coming next week looks very much like it).
Or you can take the reverse and make an iMac in the PC-Popular 18.5" size. Hell, do both. A MiniMacPro for those die-hard non-Apple monitor users who cry for Matte screens, upgradeable graphics, BTO 4-cores and 8gb of RAM (Desktop not laptop) and a low cost iMac that can be sold for $799 USD and give the Apple Experience to user. Apple could even do a holiday bundle and toss in an iPod for free (not a touch, but a shuffle) and have the hottest holiday present since tickle me elmo.
You do know that Office for Mac, or even the ability to run windows on mac exists .... would one of those solutions not work for you?
Dude, it's a windows world- get used to it. Office is used on PCs all across Corporate America and Universities and I imagine even in the Queen's Canada.
The reason why apple's OS runs better than windows is because it is built specifically for apple's hardware. Apple has the ability to tweak and tune its software to run in complete harmony with the hardware it uses. Microsoft on the other hand has to cater to hundreds of different hardware components.
FINALLY, a windows guy that "gets it" That's exactly what we've been trying to tell you all along. Congratulations! ... Now go tell that to TeckDud!
TeckDud, let me explain it to you, going slow and using small words, ok? .... Using the link you provided, M$ has consistently outspent Apple on advertising. The only change is that now they are focussing on TV, rather than print. In other words, they found something else about Apple to copy. Happy?
IS their advertising attacking Apple- no- just recently. Why do I bother with such a NEWBEE?
You really shouldn't use the word "wise" in any reply to TeckDud ... it just doesn't, I don't know, feel right somehow.
How does this help add to the discussion at all? If you don't like what the dude says, put him on your ignore list.
It's mildly irritating to read through a thread, and every couple of posts it's someone like you with mindless comments like this that are simply an attempt at bating someone into an argument.
Coming from someone obviously still in junior high. It's past 3 o'clock- did you just get home?
Your rebuttals are getting boring. Try harder!!!
newbee is apparently 67 based on prior posts in this thread...
Why do some people here talk from the perspective of wanting what's best for Apple rather than what's best for the consumer? How many shares did you buy?
I dunno, Maybe it has SOMETHING to do with the name APPLEINSIDER?
There are plenty of things I would change in all of Apple?s products to better suit my needs, but that wouldn?t make much sense.
For instance, I want an iPhone and iPods to have no cameras so i don?t potentially get bothered at the gym and concerts. I want my Mac to have a GPS chip so that the browser and widgets can use the geolocation in HTML5 and the GPS API so that I don?t have to put in the location in my laptop to see maps, weather, movies, etc. As it now I grab my iPhone instead as it?s far easier. Most importantly, I want the optical drive removed completely It?s such a huge component that is slow, prone to failure due to moving parts, and it uses a lot of power. Plus, I never use it. I also want the trackpad to be a display so i can see widgets and other info on it and have the backlit keyboard not be so damn sensitive to light. I can go on, but I think you get my point. While I am fairly certain some of these will happen in due time, there is no reason I should expect Apple to bend to my will simply because it is my will. Despite my handle, I?m no solipsist.
I think the chance for Blu-ray has past. They haven?t even added support to the OS so that 3rd-party players can used. You have to run Windows natively to get Blu-ray movies to work. no OS support, no option for the Mac Pro which uses full size drives and no update to their pro software. Also, the players for Mac notebooks which use a 9.5mm slot-loading drive just came out eariler this year. Teckstud stated that Apple doesn?t have to make such thin notebooks or use slot-loading drives. That is true, but the problem is that he isn?t looking at what Apple wants or what the average customer wants, only want he wants. Now that digital media has had a chance to play some catch up I am thinking that Blu-ray OS support will only come to OS X once Apple has a secure market for digital downloads, and may never offer the players in their Macs.
Once again I see where you're going, and can agree for the most part. In reality, none of the talk on this forum is likely to change what Apple does so being either pro Apple or highly critical doesn't matter either way. It's not so good to see people so quick to agree with Apple when they are slow to move, especially in the rapidly changing tech industry. I applaud Apple on their achievements, they've come a long way - but have much more to do. Which ties in to an on topic(!) point:
Apple's portable computers are selling very well, while the desktop sales are stagnating (even declining). Apple have continually upgraded the hardware and lowered prices, however, looking at the PC market we can see that customer is moving (has moved) to portable devices. Apple have a Netbook on the way if (Mac)rumors are to be believed.
Apple have shown they can redefine markets, so why not continue with the desktop PC market. Portable devices suffer from being underpowered compared to their bulkier cousins. They are also not as great for home entertainment. I'm hoping Apple updates front row and focuses their desktops towards an all in one entertainment experience. They already have massive screens, powerful hardware, and the iTunes engine behind them. The new mouse could also tie in with this. Maybe even include some Sonos-like functions. The ability to use one's iPhone as a mini 'touch pad' with an iMac. I think something drastic like this would compel people to keep and upgrade their desktops while complementing them with their portables - and strengthens the value of an iMac in comparison to a Macbook.
Tell us I'd like to know because Apple has given me exactly everything I've wanted this year:
1.) Firewire on the MacBook
2.) MAtte screens on both the 17" and 15"
3.) iPhone Video
4.) iPhone stereo blutooth
5.) iPhone 32gb
6.) iPhone MMS
7.) Most likely Bluray too
TeckDud, buying a computer is not rocket science (to us anyway) .. if you cannot get what you want from Apple .... go somewhere else, ..... please ....pretty please?
I dunno, Maybe it has SOMETHING to do with the name APPLEINSIDER?
Yeah, it's an Apple fan site. I thought Apple sold us (the consumers) products not shares.
I can see it now:
New, iMac - now with improved Profit Margins!
not necessarily true. Who is it that's going out and spending $1000+ on a mac. It's not the stay at home mom, the technologically impaired grandparents, or the working father. Ironically, its the younger, high school and college students, who for most of them its their first computer, who go for the glitz and glamor of a mac. Walk into any Apple store and try to tell me the majority of the customers aren't under 25. So really, its not a blow to Microsoft's market share, its an increase in Apple's market share but in a larger market.
Yea, that demographic almost fits me to a T .... 68 and retired, along with most of my other known macheads.
IS their advertising attacking Apple- no-
I love how this first part of his post...
just recently.
...is contradicted by the second part. Still part of the same sentence, too.
I dunno, Maybe it has SOMETHING to do with the name APPLEINSIDER?
The name gives me the impression that this site is a great source of latest news on Apple.
Yea, that demographic almost fits me to a T .... 68 and retired, along with most of my other known macheads.
I would never have guessed 68.
I love how this first part of his post...
...is contradicted by the second part. Still part of the same sentence, too.
Wait for the "You're not paying attention" reply
Energy Efficiency. Performance to Dollar. Style may be old to us, but to newcomers it's new. Not knocking the design. I look at the Mini and still marvel at all they can fit into it, PC companies can't do the same and they have had 5 years to copy. It's just better quality inside and out. You pay more but you get more. The old one liner: You get what you pay for.
I think there is room for a larger Mac Mini. Something that's more of a 1/4th scale MacPro Mini Tower setup. Leaving the mini at one model (BTO though) and moving this one in with upgradeable graphics, 3.5" HD but keep the slot load drive. That would make a lot of people very happy and would warrant very good sales. The iMac is a great product. It's the all-in-one every-one wants to have and others try to imitate (HP model coming next week looks very much like it).
Or you can take the reverse and make an iMac in the PC-Popular 18.5" size. Hell, do both. A MiniMacPro for those die-hard non-Apple monitor users who cry for Matte screens, upgradeable graphics, BTO 4-cores and 8gb of RAM (Desktop not laptop) and a low cost iMac that can be sold for $799 USD and give the Apple Experience to user. Apple could even do a holiday bundle and toss in an iPod for free (not a touch, but a shuffle) and have the hottest holiday present since tickle me elmo.
From your writing to Steve's ears! I haven't bought an Apple desktop since the Cube but would but that mid tower you mentioned in heartbeat!! I don't think they will do it becasue it would cannibalize the iMac and Mac Pro. But that would be SWEET!
Yea, that demographic almost fits me to a T .... 68 and retired, along with most of my other known macheads.
your vernacular suggests otherwise
Stop the name calling- it's not allowed on here. And learn how to spell. Jeesh!
Make you a deal, TeckDud .... you learn how to be just a little more balanced and I'll learn how to spell, ok?