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    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
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    How do you compete with 'free'? A question more and more companies are going to be asking themselves as Google expands upon their services.



    Microsoft seems to do just fine against OpenOffice and Google Apps with Office 2007 (and soon to be Office 2010).
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    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    What's wrong with Mail? That's one of the best mail apps around.



    It has plenty of great aspects to it, but one area it really falls short is the lack of aggregation among multiple mail accounts. The current method backing in and out of accounts is too tedious.
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  • Reply 63 of 186
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    Microsoft seems to do just fine against OpenOffice and Google Apps with Office 2007 (and soon to be Office 2010).



    Indeed, but the addition of Microsoft's free 'web apps' shows that this could become an issue. Google's online offering is pretty half baked, and it doesn't look like this offering has the omnipresent beta tag.
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  • Reply 64 of 186
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
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    Umm, Google is down less than 2%. The NASDAQ is down 2.4%. The Dow is up a little less than a point.



    Garmin is down 16%

    TomTom is down: 21%



    You do the math...



    It's an over reaction. The stocks will climb back up once cooler heads prevail (late afternoon/tomorrow). It is funny though.
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  • Reply 65 of 186
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
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    It has plenty of great aspects to it, but one area it really falls short is the lack of aggregation among multiple mail accounts. The current method backing in and out of accounts is too tedious.



    Well then stop using so many aliases. The FBI will find you anyway, eventually, hopefully.
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  • Reply 66 of 186
    samabsamab Posts: 1,953member
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    Did anyone notice that "Droid" was a licensed name from LucasFilm? Lame.



    Not lame at all.



    Open source gives you the right to fork the source code, but it doesn't give you the right to call your forked source code under the original copyrighted name. That's why CentOS is called CentOS, instead of the original name (redhat enterpise linux).
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  • Reply 67 of 186
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,715member
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    OK, there's thin, and there's anorexic. This feature is way over-rated in a cell phone. Let's have a business phone with some signal and battery life, and leave the current marketing effort pushing thin to the teenagers. And thanks for listening to my luddite rants.



    It's only overrated to the minority to whom it's not important. but if you want to make a popular phone, thinness IS important.
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  • Reply 68 of 186
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,715member
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    It has plenty of great aspects to it, but one area it really falls short is the lack of aggregation among multiple mail accounts. The current method backing in and out of accounts is too tedious.



    Not a good reason to change phones for though. Most people don't have all these e-mail accounts, and many people, when they do have them, don't want them to be aggregated. It's not one or the other. Some of these phones don't let you keep the accounts separated if you want it that way.



    A little of one, a little of the other.
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    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
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    It's only overrated to the minority to whom it's not important. but if you want to make a popular phone, thinness IS important.



    Let's not forget weight- thinness means nothing if it weighs like a brick.
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  • Reply 70 of 186
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
    "Google" is synonymous with beta.
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  • Reply 71 of 186
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,715member
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    Let's not forget weight- thinness means nothing if it weighs like a brick.



    They all seem to weigh about the same, plus or minus a 15 grams or so. A few are lighter than the iPhone, but many are heavier.



    If it's too light, it feels cheap, as do many BBs.
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  • Reply 72 of 186
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    Umm, Google is down less than 2%. The NASDAQ is down 2.4%. The Dow is up a little less than a point.



    Garmin is down 16%

    TomTom is down: 21%



    You do the math...



    As might be expected, Verizon is up 2.8% and Motorola +2.2%.



    But weirdly, ATT: +2.3%.
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  • Reply 73 of 186
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Not a good reason to change phones for though. Most people don't have all these e-mail accounts, and many people, when they do have them, don't want them to be aggregated. It's not one or the other. Some of these phones don't let you keep the accounts separated if you want it that way.



    A little of one, a little of the other.



    You asked what was wrong with mail. That is a common annoyance for business users or those that require multiple mail accounts with a high volume of emails. Not a good reason to drop the iPhone, but perhaps a good reason to stick with your Blackberry in the first place. Certainly no an issue for the average person, but something that would certainly help make it more enjoyable for certain users.
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  • Reply 74 of 186
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
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    How do you compete with 'free'?



    Do you mean free as in "beer" or free as in "anyone can jump off a cliff"?
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  • Reply 75 of 186
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,715member
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    You asked what was wrong with mail. That is a common annoyance for business users or those that require multiple mail accounts with a high volume of emails. Not a good reason to drop the iPhone, but perhaps a good reason to stick with your Blackberry in the first place. Certainly no an issue for the average person, but something that would certainly help make it more enjoyable for certain users.



    It's interesting then, that the iPhone gets far higher satisfaction ratings from business users than do BBs. Maybe business people would rather have their business and personal e-mail accounts separate. I wouldn't want them as one.
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  • Reply 76 of 186
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    So Apple should change a great interface because it's immensely successful, just because it's been around for a couple of years? It's still the easiest to use GUI out there.



    The home screen is anything but useless. Why do you talk in such absolutes?. The one you link to has been criticized as being too complex.



    Notifications could use some work, though they aren't bad. Multitasking is another issue entirely. I've used the Pre, and it's SLOW. Very slow. And that's with almost the exact same hardware, except for a less powerful GPU. The N97 is also SLOW from that, though it does use the last generation HW. Multitasking is given as a major reason. Multitasking is also given as a reason why Win Mobile phones crash so often. I'd rather Apple wait to get it right.



    I have 7 pages of apps, and I'm annoyed at all the swiping too. But as long as you remember the name of a program, using the search works pretty well, much better than the methods used on most other phones. I would like folders though.



    What's wrong with Mail? That's one of the best mail apps around.



    We've got 8 months to go before 4 comes out. So far, no one has been able to come up with a phone that's as good, much less better. no other phone has managed to sell more than a fraction of the iPhone's numbers, so consumers are not thrilled with them.



    The Pre has been a miserable failure. Despite all the glowing reviews, consumers don't seem to like them. The N97, which was supposed to be a serious competitor, has seen disappointing sales, and no others have stepped up yet. No Android phone has yet to sell in serious numbers.



    We'll see with the Droid, but how many do they expect to sell? Even if it gets great reviews, that doesn't mean that people will like it.



    So far, none of RIMs iPhone competitors has taken off, and the newest high end phone, the Tour, has had so many problems, it's got a 50% return rate, and has really ticked Verizon off. People who hate the Mighty Mouse's little track ball will also be glad to know that the one on the Tour also doesn't work, but it only takes a few days to fail.



    Apple has a plan for their devices, which so far, every other manufacturer lacks. They are all trying phones for every different class of person, ensuring that none sell really well.



    That's the problem with every other companies phones. They are all so different in hardware features, that the software features don't work properly on all, or don't work at all.



    I'd rather stick with Apple and wait for other features than mess with a number of different phones, being disappointed with each after a while, and moving constantly from one to the other every time a new one comes out. a real waste of time and money.



    I agree with your comments and think people need to understand that Apple trys to get it right first and provide a TOTAL experience for the consumer, not one or few individuals or the Tech group but everyone.

    The spec and features on the Droid may compete with the iPhone, but there is not much difference and the overall experience with iPhone (not in USA only because AT&T) is very good with concern to design and interface.

    I perfer Apple do not rush to upgrade, but learn from their mistakes and iPhone 4.0 is improvement on excellent product already on market and not some techie's fantasy that does not translate into consumer's world.
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  • Reply 77 of 186
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    It's interesting then, that the iPhone gets far higher satisfaction ratings from business users than do BBs. Maybe business people would rather have their business and personal e-mail accounts separate. I wouldn't want them as one.



    One feature isn’t going to make or break the iPhone for most people. WHo knows, if businesses are issuing them maybe they have the corporate email setup and nothing else or don’t get much mail from their personal account. But I do know some people that do certain work that requires to them to many email accounts to monitor. For them, it’s a problem because it’s an unnecessary time waster. BB doesn’t offer them a good enough experience to jump ship, but Android 2.0 might.



    Gruber even notes it. "The email client adds support for Exchange and, moving ahead of the iPhone’s MobileMail, adds support for a combined “all accounts” inbox view. “ It’s not like it’s a complex setup. Contacts has an All Contacts option at the top of the Groups section. I have faith it will cme with v4.0.
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  • Reply 78 of 186
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    Not lame at all.



    Open source gives you the right to fork the source code, but it doesn't give you the right to call your forked source code under the original copyrighted name. That's why CentOS is called CentOS, instead of the original name (redhat enterpise linux).



    My lame comment isn't about the choice of the name Droid, but the fact that George Lucas copyrighted it. Though, I guess many people when they hear "Droid" would think of the little tripod blue and white beeping thing. I dunno, I just think its stupid that particular name is copyrighted.
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  • Reply 79 of 186
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,715member
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    One feature isn?t going to make or break the iPhone for most people. WHo knows, if businesses are issuing them maybe they have the corporate email setup and nothing else or don?t get much mail from their personal account. But I do know some people that do certain work that requires to them to many email accounts to monitor. For them, it?s a problem because it?s an unnecessary time waster. BB doesn?t offer them a good enough experience to jump ship, but Android 2.0 might.



    Gruber even notes it. "The email client adds support for Exchange and, moving ahead of the iPhone?s MobileMail, adds support for a combined ?all accounts? inbox view. ? It?s not like it?s a complex setup. Contacts has an All Contacts option at the top of the Groups section. I have faith it will cme with v4.0.





    What's to say that they aren't working on a much better way of doing this? They are likely trying something. possibly they will have a very good way to have it both ways. Press a button for aggregated mail, and press it again for separate accounts. I haven't seen any other phone allow something like that.



    Remember all the wailing about the lack of C/Paste?



    It took two years, but when it came, it turned out to be the best rendition from any phone. Notice how many people even mention it now?



    Same thing for search. The Pre came out with search, and it was considered to be just wonderful. But then the iPhone had it, and suddenly, the Pre's search was criticized as being much worse than Apple's.



    I suspect we'll see the same thing happen here.



    Meanwhile, no big deal.
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  • Reply 80 of 186
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    What's to say that they aren't working on a much better way of doing this? They are likely trying something. possibly they will have a very good way to have it both ways. Press a button for aggregated mail, and press it again for separate accounts. I haven't seen any other phone allow something like that.



    Remember all the wailing about the lack of C/Paste?



    It took two years, but when it came, it turned out to be the best rendition from any phone. Notice how many people even mention it now?



    Same thing for search. The Pre came out with search, and it was considered to be just wonderful. But then the iPhone had it, and suddenly, the Pre's search was criticized as being much worse than Apple's.



    I suspect we'll see the same thing happen here.



    Meanwhile, no big deal.



    I stated that I think it?s coming, but unless it?s a radical change that is well beyond how we use multiple emails in desktop apps the resolution is very simple. Just like with Contacts, as i previously mentioned, you simply choose All Contacts or choose the contact groups you wish. This carries over easily with All Mail or choose the mail account you wish.
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