Google Nexus One vs Apple iPhone 3GS

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  • Reply 41 of 234
    I think this is a great article.



    Some more points:



    1) The iPhone is part of a system that Apple has worked hard to develop. This includes syncing with iTunes, iCal, AddressBook, and MobileMe. How about "Find my iPhone?" Can the Nexus One do all this?



    2) It's not just the number of Apps, although Apple keeps pointing out how big their App Store is. It's the variety and quality. And some unique Apps that other App stores don't have. The first mover advantage is huge for Apple.



    3) Worldwide distribution and one basic phone model. That gives Apple a huge advantage in terms of economies of scale.



    4) Google is the first "manufacturer(?)" of a smartphone that is selling it unlocked here in the U.S. I believe that eventually we are going to the "no contract, unlocked phone" business model, where consumers buy their phone and service separately. Apple will benefit more from this business model than anyone else. I think that rather than have a different phone for every carrier, they will make one that works with any carrier, GSM or CDMA, or 4G, or whatever.
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  • Reply 42 of 234
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by union View Post


    I have a Nexus One and the screen is fine during daylight. As for saying the 5mp camera is too much for the chip is absurd, the pictures come out clear without any grain and the video capture is really good. I also don't know who at engaget reviewed the speech to text feature, maybe they had a lisp or mumbled a lot, because I have only had it miss words a couple times and have been using it extensively to text, email, and search. The Nexus One uses micro usb, not mini usb. The statement of a vague promise of delivering the Nexus One to Verizon is silly, on the Nexus One page it says "Spring 2010" which is a lot less vague than rumors of the iPhone making it to verizon.



    I'd have to agree with your post pretty well, especially your last statement. I thought that was way too messed up in the article.

    Nice post, and welcome aboard.
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  • Reply 43 of 234
    It's quite irresponsible to publish a comparative article when you have never used one of the items being compared.



    It leaves you at the mercy of others opinions, which are sometimes incorrect. For example, your cited engadget opinions are completely wrong.



    But then your writing is obviously strongly biased. There are real issues with Android and the N1, none of which do you touch on or appear to be aware of. Instead it's just more Apple sycophant claims that Apple invented everything good (they didn't), and that everything else is just a poor imitation.



    Worst, your writing is badly in need of proofreading.



    GR
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  • Reply 44 of 234
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GPSRider View Post


    It's quite irresponsible to publish a comparative article when you have never used one of the items being compared.



    It leaves you at the mercy of others opinions, which are sometimes incorrect. For example, your cited engadget opinions are completely wrong.



    But then your writing is obviously strongly biased. There are real issues with Android and the N1, none of which do you touch on or appear to be aware of. Instead it's just more Apple sycophant claims that Apple invented everything good (they didn't), and that everything else is just a poor imitation.



    Worst, your writing is badly in need of proofreading.



    GR



    As one who is greatly involved in writing/reading/editing clinical trials, it is imperative that one considers the protocol underwhich the authors conducted it.



    As per this article, the author clearly states his intent, i.e.,



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Google has taken the fate of its Android smartphone platform into its own hands by promoting and directly marketing HTC's latest new Android phone under its own brand. How does the new "superphone" stack up to last summer's iPhone 3GS?



    AppleInsider has presented a series of articles on how Android stacks up against Apple's iPhone OS as a platform in general terms. In this article, we'll consider the hardware specifics of the latest offering from Google's partner.



    and he sticks to it quite closely.



    It is amazing the unabashed comments that come from, particularly trolls, first timers.



    As the saying goes, the truth hurts and is obviously evident by some of the negative commentators here.
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  • Reply 45 of 234
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheShepherd View Post


    Why come to appleinsider for a review comparing a competitor's product to Apple?



    That's like going to Ford.com to review the new Chevy Pickup..



    I think it's because despite the fact that this is an Apple News Fansite, a lot of people on this site have a level of respect for what Google is doing, I do. Personally, i thought the article was nit-picking a bit too much in Apple's favor with the N1, but over all it points out the obvious and slightly pushes it toward Apple's favor.



    On point i thought was kind of misleading was the OLED screen on the N1 as too dim in daylight, but it doesn't mention that the iPHone has the same issue. My 3G is ok in the car in daylight, but when direct sunlight is shining down and i'm in the shade, it's still difficult to see.
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  • Reply 46 of 234
    patspats Posts: 112member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post


    I think it's because despite the fact that this is an Apple News Fansite, a lot of people on this site have a level of respect for what Google is doing, I do. Personally, i thought the article was nit-picking a bit too much in Apple's favor with the N1, but over all it points out the obvious and slightly pushes it toward Apple's favor.



    On point i thought was kind of misleading was the OLED screen on the N1 as too dim in daylight, but it doesn't mention that the iPHone has the same issue. My 3G is ok in the car in daylight, but when direct sunlight is shining down and i'm in the shade, it's still difficult to see.



    I think the point is the LTPS TFT does better in sunlight and the OLED looks better in shade. To get decent performance in sunlight the manufacture turns up the screen brightness but that reduces battery life. It is all a bunch of engineering trade-offs. I agree with Prince currently Apples LTPS TFT display is a better choice but the OLED is getting better with each generation. The battery savings from the use of OLED is lost because of having to turn up the brightness and the cost of OLED is higher which cuts into profit. If you really want great in sunlight performance, then Eink displays win hands down, but they are currently only black and white and have extremely slow switching compared to LCD. I would be surprise if apple switches to OLED this year. They can still get alot from the LTPS LCD and none of the manufactures are set up to deliver 50M OLED panels to support the IPhone/Itouch.
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  • Reply 47 of 234
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sheff View Post




    I think that Nexus One is just another android device. Maybe it will sell as many units as Moto Droid, but seeing as it is T-Mobile only, which does not have a very big network coverage it might sell even less. So far android is a disappointment, as I expected it to be a SINGLE os for ALL devices.



    I think you and many others (including AI) are missing the fact that the N1 is not on a closed network. You can purchase the unlocked phone and use any network you want. It just so happens that T-Mobile is the only one available now. But it looks like Sprint and Verizon are opening it's doors to the N1 "coming 2010". So there's another point of how this article is a little bit of a spin...



    Personally, i think getting the unlocked phone is the better deal. Then you could shop around without having to sign a contract every 2 years or so. But it comes with a price.



    I think you're right that Android is a bit of a disappointment. However, it's a disappointment that it's not more successful. I kind of hoped that Android would squash the competition(save for the iPhone...), since Google is the most popular search engine, you'd think it would be a little more popular. But part of the problem is that it's just the software, and software is only as good as its best hardware. and the hardware is not that good. I've never been impressed by HTC products. Very cheap and sloppy workmanship.



    I think it primarily boils down to marketing. I think 25% of why Apple is so successful is because they know how to market a product. The other 75% has to do with identifying what the masses need in a product and making it the best they possibly can...so good in fact that people can't help but want it. Had Google marketed themselves better, i think they would be in much better shape.



    Look at the Chrome browser, I love this browser and it's really fast. As AI posted, even faster than Safari in most cases. But it's still at the lower end of the user-ship. but i digress.
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  • Reply 48 of 234
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    You sound like you are too easily confused to do anything except to buy the one phone offered by Apple. It is a good thing Apple exists. Their branding strategy comforts you.



    For the rest of us, choice is seen as a good thing.



    Then why don't you answer his questions instead of making amartass comments?



    Here, in case you missed it in your rush to post insults: Is the Motorola Droid supposed to be "the" Droid phone or is the Droid Eris also a "Droid phone?" Enlighten us with your wisdom.
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  • Reply 49 of 234
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ifail View Post


    Wow, i just wasted my time to read that, it wasn't even objective at all. I suppose i shouldnt expect that much from a fansite though where no one has even TOUCHED it



    Try to stay on topic guy. Editorializing about Prince's columns lame. Offer a counter viewpoint, perhaps or maybe you just like to bitch.
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  • Reply 50 of 234
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Google has taken the fate of its Android smartphone platform into its own hands by promoting and directly marketing HTC's latest new Android phone under its own brand. How does the new "superphone" stack up to last summer's iPhone 3GS?



    And another equally enlightening article:

    Google Shakes but Doesn?t Upend the Cellphone Market by DAVID POGUE

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/te...h/06pogue.html



    And it just keeps coming
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  • Reply 51 of 234
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cameronj View Post


    Exactly. You do, however, expect someone to edit the piece before it goes live, right? THAT clearly didn't happen... Seemed like there was a glaring editing oversight just about every other paragraph. It got quite distracting!



    Hmm, funny. You don't offer how to make it better. You throw lame, vague comments about editing in there. Edit where? Hmm?
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  • Reply 52 of 234
    ezduzitezduzit Posts: 158member
    google is a wonderful company but they are now starting to dance at too many parties with too many partners. there comes a time when they are over extended. it seems that this time is here or almost here.



    the first sign is their lack of consumer support while trying to sell consumer products. this is virtually the first time that google has a unified groundswell of criticism from customers. it's also the first time that they are finding that the public is very fickle. there is no layer of protection for them and they are going to bat against sandy koufax (he was a great strike out pitcher for the dodgers).



    btw, how is that msft store doing?
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  • Reply 53 of 234
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    A bit of comic relief (might contain objectionable language):



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SzB...t=1263049057.9



    Love it!



    I liked this one too, a bit older.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csMO8bFWBdE
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  • Reply 54 of 234
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    twin mega data data centers

    open to all

    for a price

    apple will be a gatekeeper soon enough

    goodbye google goodbye verizon



    wipes spit from face



    peace

    9



    Hey, let's not beat up Google, I like them. I appreciate Google's contribution to the iPhone. (Google Search, Goole Map, Google Earth etc...) The iPhone is a better device because of Google.

    Plus Google is keeping Microsoft honest with the free Android OS that beats Winblows Mobile in usability.



    I am looking forward to see what Apple does with the PA Semi, PlaceBase, Lala and Quatro Wireless. I imagine PA Semi and PlaceBase will contribute big time on the iSlate tablet and future iPhones. Imagine a Slate that can be used for days without recharging with unrivaled access to global geographical data, climate, economics, crime etc...



    Time will tell.
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  • Reply 55 of 234
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cameronj View Post


    So if it's free it can be crap?



    Yes. It doesn?t mean it will be but one shouldn?t expect the same terms of service between free and premium products.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post


    one very minor edit needed i can't resist mentioning: Dan writes "... leaving Apple, RIM, and Palm unique in pushing one single OS." well, three separate parties can never be "unique." just one. a correct word would be "apart."



    Actually it can because the group is a single entity making it, the group, unique.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mudpud View Post


    And then MULTITASK category? What the heck. I love the iPhone, but the device CANNOT MULTITASK. And under this category, they list Bundled Apps, Voice and Data???



    Sure it can and he breaks it down in the ways it can multitask. I thought it was very clearly stated and liked seeing it explained like that. Either you have a very limited understanding of what multitasking means or you have never used an iPhone and have been given some very bad information.
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  • Reply 56 of 234
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    odd odd article

    a mis mash of 1/2 baked themes that abruptly end and go now here else

    Yet a calm re write and expanding this article to 4 pages would make a great piece to show us why ,where and how google is out doing MSFT in the asshole dept.



    GOOGLE IS VERY SCARED RIGHT NOW



    google is a way way over priced one horse monster



    Google faces a threat from 2 or 3 million 14 yr. old kids writing code for the FIRST time and seeing this world from a new angle . Just like Skype one day will kill the carriers.



    Remember, JD?? trading at $95 a share at its peak ?? well at its meteoric rise was going on and they were laying uncounted miles of un lit fiber and the canadian gov;t them selves said it's a good buy at $60 A share >> Millions of Canucks put their life savings in J D and walked away. Safe in their long term buy .



    AT 65 a share a SW code demon warned that his new code would compress fiberoptic data at a 10 to one ratio . NO one blinked . The stock rose to $95 a share . THIS was 10 yrs. ago or more . 10 to 1 means stop laying cable right now . over saturation>>LOOK in those days no one streamed movies >>data was just data

    Maybe an odd email with 1 raw pic.They did not stop laying cable .



    The market promised that all this fiber would bring us movies on demand and the whole LIB.of congress in 18 minutes . The world has changed now, We are NOW short of lit cable if any is left at all. BUT back then 90 percent of all fiber optic cable remained buried and DARK. To light the cable was expensive back then .,

    WHAT caused J. D. UNI to go from 95 to $5 a share . ALSO a dozen other companies were laid to waste over this .

    THE HERO OF THIS STORY

    the code rider == HE >>> LIED

    IT was not 10x to 1 data compression >>it was a 100x to one and then up to 1000x to 1 compression / JD CRASHED

    JD STOCK FELL TO 3 BUCKS A SHARE AT ONE POINT wiping out billions of Canuck retirement money among other investors who also lost ,

    All that cable was never needed at all back then .



    GOOGLE FACES THE SAME THREAT a RICH CODE WRITER CAN KILL OFF GOOGLE THE SAME WAY / rich means A kid that can;t be bought off and who see,s the world in a clear level playing field way .





    that is why i am not surprised at their shabby phone deals and ill thought out conflicting market plans

    they have one stream of money from one source ./



    the market needs 50 small googles who do not bow down to the chinese and help the commies abuse their own people

    GOOGLE IS SCARED and has no morals at all



    i would sell goog right now



    Excellent, but cryptic post that will go right over 99.9% of the viewers.
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  • Reply 57 of 234
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post


    Hey, let's not beat up Google, I like them. I appreciate Google's contribution to the iPhone. (Google Search, Goole Map, Google Earth etc...) The iPhone is a better device because of Google.

    Plus Google is keeping Microsoft honest with the free Android OS that beats Winblows Mobile in usability.



    I am looking forward to see what Apple does with the PA Semi, PlaceBase, Lala and Quatro Wireless. I imagine PA Semi and PlaceBase will contribute big time on the iSlate tablet and future iPhones. Imagine a Slate that can be used for days without recharging with unrivaled access to global geographical data, climate, economics, crime etc...



    Time will tell.



    Apple is covering all it's basis, with a Cocoa AppKit/Foundation combination for all of them.
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  • Reply 58 of 234
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post


    Being the expert that you profess to be, perhaps you could direct us to your review, or at least, expound the 'oversights' that you found so distracting.



    By your count, there are about twenty out of the 40 paragraphs that fit your criteria and you should be able to address them quickly.



    Why bother replying, just because you are annoyed?



    I hate McLean anyway, and I've criticized him for being biased and grammatically disastrous.

    Although, I must admit this one is not as bad as some others he's done. Some sales figures and such wouldn't have hurt this article though.





    Here's a couple:



    The chart, lists OLED as poor in daylight? Why? Just say OLED without the judgements. Why not list LCD's shortcomings while you're at it Prince?



    Same chart, supported at the bottom spelled 'suported'.



    This:

    "Finding one operating system to span from the bargain bin to the high end has similarly been a challenge for Nokia, which uses its own simple Nokia OS, the more sophisticated Symbian, a full distro of Maemo Linux in its Internet Tablets, and Windows on its netbook. Samsung has also announced plans to juggle Windows Mobile, Android, and its own Bada platform. Most other makers also have a variety of operating systems, leaving Apple, RIM, and Palm unique in pushing one single OS.



    Motorola has announced an intention do to this with Android, but is already facing a rather direct blow from Google and its new branding partnership with HTC. On the other side, Google is also planning to add its new Chrome OS into the mix as a way to enter the significantly different netbook market, which will splinter efforts by its current licensees who already have Android netbooks and tablets under development.



    The company has also announced a clear intention to turn its hardware partners into commodity manufacturers, leaving Google with control of all the value across their products, much as Microsoft did to PC makers in the 90s. This is all a precarious balancing act challenge Apple doesn't face."





    Should look like this:

    "Finding one operating system to span from the bargain bin to the high end has similarly been a challenge for Nokia, which uses its own simple Nokia OS, the more sophisticated Symbian, a full distro of Maemo Linux in its Internet Tablets, and Windows on its netbook. Samsung has also announced plans to juggle Windows Mobile, Android, and its own Bada platform.



    Most other makers also have a variety of operating systems, leaving Apple, RIM, and Palm unique in pushing one single OS. Motorola has announced an intention do to this with Android, but is already facing a rather direct blow from Google and its new branding partnership with HTC.



    On the other side, Google is also planning to add its new Chrome OS into the mix as a way to enter the significantly different netbook market, which will splinter efforts by its current licensees who already have Android netbooks and tablets under development. The company has also announced a clear intention to turn its hardware partners into commodity manufacturers, leaving Google with control of all the value across their products, much as Microsoft did to PC makers in the 90s. This is all a precarious balancing act challenge Apple doesn't face."



    Prince begins a paragraph with this:

    "That indicates that despite its shift from Windows Mobile..."


    What's That? Ugh.



    "This pattern of Apple conquering new territory with blockbuster releases that occur only once a year while rivals throw handfuls of new models under its tank treads appears to be continuing with Android."

    Whatever....post that crap under your articles in the comment section.
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  • Reply 59 of 234
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Excellent, but cryptic post that will go right over 99.9% of the viewers.



    Or, as Kent Brockman put it: "Strong words. Strong, bewildering words."
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  • Reply 60 of 234
    Ten year from now non of this will make any difference. We will have open source code, micro pc phones, and dumb pipe telephone service providers. Everyone will have choice, and there will be competition for service like there is in Europe.



    Apple will still be closed source, they will still be innovative but will be marginalized as they are today with their pc buisness. There will still be many fan-people paying more for apple products as there will be fan-people on the other side paying less and getting about the same experience.



    I'm starting the revolution now by writing an ap for the droid that will allow everyone to use all 200,000 aps in the apple store on the droid.......................................just kidding
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