I do believe Steve Jobs himself said, none of the rumors come close. Which means one of two things, either there isn't a tablet/slate or that it is actually a completely different kind of device.
You know i tend to agree with this. I have this gut feeling no such device exists. Something is going to be announced, that i am sure, but i'm not sure it's going to be what people expect.
That in itself is exciting.
And it's 2 weeks tomorrow before the rumoured event. Getting awfully close without an official announcement don't you think?
I really don't think they'll release this thing without a camera.. seems silly to even suggest that they would omit such a useful, familiar feature at this point especially given the landscape, ie; Facebook, Twitter, Youtube etc.
In his defense he isn?t speculating that there will no webcam he merely made an appended comment regarding a rumour he heard.
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And, for what it?s worth, I?m hearing there is no camera, webcam or otherwise, on The Tablet.
Well, guessing your conference partner by looking at (double/triple/etc.) chins might be fun...
Nostril hairs are very photogenic.
I don't have a strong opinion about the camera in or out, but I think those arguing that a camera is fundamentally a bad idea are overlooking something pretty basic. With the camera mounted above the screen, if you are looking at the tablet, then you are also looking into the camera. So unless you can use the tablet without looking at it, then it's not a problem.
I agree with Ireland, why wouldn't you just stick the camera in there?? Only reason I see to leave it out is for the same security reasons that cameras are left out of certain phones.
But then why would Gruber say something so far against common expectations if he didn't know something?
What would be really cool: A facial tracking camera with software to make the motion highly intelligent and SMOOTH. I don't video conference, but I'm not everyone. I'm sure plenty of college students would love a front facing camera for Skype and whatever else...
There are other uses for a camera too: scanning business cards. qm codes. Evernote. It's not just for snapping photos of your dog.
But then why would Gruber say something so far against common expectations if he didn't know something?
We need to stop reading so much into his comment. He never said he believes that is going to happen and his comment could be taken to mean he doesn?t actually believe it to be true but this is what he heard.
We need to stop reading so much into his comment. He never said he believes that is going to happen and his comment could be taken to mean he doesn?t actually believe it to be true but this is what he heard.
If he has been accurate with past prediction, and he has, then I think it's at least reasonable to weigh in, knowing everything at this point is still speculation regardless of the source.
I agree with Ireland, why wouldn't you just stick the camera in there?? ... why would Gruber say something so far against common expectations if he didn't know something? ...
I'm not bothered either way really, I'm just arguing that it doesn't make sense design-wise for it to have a camera, but it could easily have one just based on how easy it is to drop one in there.
To argue against your point above though ...
Webcams are ubiquitous on Macs, and there is a rear-facing camera on the iPhone, but it shouldn't be a "common expectation" for such a camera to be on the tablet as it's a new device. The only devices in the same category from Apple, (the iPhone, iPod touch), don't have one (even though they have the rear-facing ones).
It may have one, it may not. But there should be no "expectation" that it "should" have one or anything like that, and (as I argued previously), I don't think it's a good "fit" for the video conferencing use that most people seem to assume it would have.
i would love to see apple tablet with web cam behind the screen which filed sometime last year, 5+ megapix out side; first gen iphone like case to solve heat issue. plus removable batt like early unibody mac book with cover.
others? you all know what's in there already... can't wait to have it...
Actually, and I hate to be the source of a leak... it's a 3D camera. (2 cameras next to each other)
Carry around those stupid glasses and you can chat with the other person in 3D. WOW.
Apple's using it's technology for Photo Booth to actually make it appear to the other person on the call as if you aren't even wearing your stupic glasses. I can't wait.
i would love to see apple tablet with web cam behind the screen which filed sometime last year, 5+ megapix out side; first gen iphone like case to solve heat issue. plus removable batt like early unibody mac book with cover.
others? you all know what's in there already... can't wait to have it...
Why a 5MP camera on the outside? Is taking pictures with a 10" tablet a good idea?
So if a person is wearing a skirt while video conferencing, one has to be careful not to drop the tablet on the floor?
Seriously though, I set up a lot of video conferences and it's almost always a task of getting two people on the globe in a place with the correct bandwidth and equipment at roughly the same time. Casual "video-calls" are rare and usually only take place between serious Skype heads and companies that have all Apple equipment. Even then the video size is small, (or blurry and jaggy if it's blown up), audio sucks etc.
If Apple wanted to make a device for video-conferencing or to make the masses all of a sudden discover video calling, the tablet would not be it. It may have a camera just because almost everything does nowadays, but the leak by the French guy that implies we are all going to be using these as video-phones seems really unlikely to me.
PS - Do you realise that you've "ended discussion" on almost every aspect of the tablet at this point? You're so inflexible, that you are bound to be wrong about some of your predictions.
This thing is supposed to be a grand, right? So build costs will run around $500 or less. Cameras are ultra cheap to do, adding no significant cost. Heck, I can buy one in a case for $10; mounted in a tablet where the case is there already... even cheaper.
There are many things that can be done with cameras. Reading bar codes, identifying products, social things, business things, creative things... cameras have proved their utility over and over. If you add communications (wifi hopefully, not so hot on cell, but as long as it has wifi I'll be happy), then the number of things you can do with your camera multiply enormously.
Consequently, the optimum thing to do here is put both a inward facing and an outward facing camera on the tablet. This would provide maximum convenience, functionality, and usability to the user.
Having said that, after Apple's complete and utter FAIL with the camera on the nano and not on the Touch, this could easily be another case of Jobsian myopia-for-your-own-good.
We'll know when it's released. The Orange guy has discredited himself; mr. tech blogger never had any credit to start with.
So if a person is wearing a skirt while video conferencing, one has to be careful not to drop the tablet on the floor?
Seriously though, I set up a lot of video conferences and it's almost always a task of getting two people on the globe in a place with the correct bandwidth and equipment at roughly the same time. Casual "video-calls" are rare and usually only take place between serious Skype heads and companies that have all Apple equipment. Even then the video size is small, (or blurry and jaggy if it's blown up), audio sucks etc.
If Apple wanted to make a device for video-conferencing or to make the masses all of a sudden discover video calling, the tablet would not be it. It may have a camera just because almost everything does nowadays, but the leak by the French guy that implies we are all going to be using these as video-phones seems really unlikely to me.
PS - Do you realise that you've "ended discussion" on almost every aspect of the tablet at this point? You're so inflexible, that you are bound to be wrong about some of your predictions.
My daughter video conferences using her MacBook Pro when she's in school in the UK, and either, when she's back here in the US.
I'm sure she'd find a way to do this with a tablet as well. She said she would.
You guys are thinking too corporate. It shows that you aren't in touch with the younger generation. They figure out ways to do things we wouldn't want to do.
This thing is supposed to be a grand, right? So build costs will run around $500 or less. Cameras are ultra cheap to do, adding no significant cost. Heck, I can buy one in a case for $10; mounted in a tablet where the case is there already... even cheaper.
There are many things that can be done with cameras. Reading bar codes, identifying products, social things, business things, creative things... cameras have proved their utility over and over. If you add communications (wifi hopefully, not so hot on cell, but as long as it has wifi I'll be happy), then the number of things you can do with your camera multiply enormously.
Consequently, the optimum thing to do here is put both a inward facing and an outward facing camera on the tablet. This would provide maximum convenience, functionality, and usability to the user.
Having said that, after Apple's complete and utter FAIL with the camera on the nano and not on the Touch, this could easily be another case of Jobsian myopia-for-your-own-good.
We'll know when it's released. The Orange guy has discredited himself; mr. tech blogger never had any credit to start with.
It was pretty obvious that Apple intended a camera to be in the last Touch but that there was a problem. The area for one was shown in a teardown. Of course Jobs said that Apple didn't intend to do it. That's just corporate speak.
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I do believe Steve Jobs himself said, none of the rumors come close. Which means one of two things, either there isn't a tablet/slate or that it is actually a completely different kind of device.
You know i tend to agree with this. I have this gut feeling no such device exists. Something is going to be announced, that i am sure, but i'm not sure it's going to be what people expect.
That in itself is exciting.
And it's 2 weeks tomorrow before the rumoured event. Getting awfully close without an official announcement don't you think?
+1
I really don't think they'll release this thing without a camera.. seems silly to even suggest that they would omit such a useful, familiar feature at this point especially given the landscape, ie; Facebook, Twitter, Youtube etc.
In his defense he isn?t speculating that there will no webcam he merely made an appended comment regarding a rumour he heard.
And, for what it?s worth, I?m hearing there is no camera, webcam or otherwise, on The Tablet.
Well, guessing your conference partner by looking at (double/triple/etc.) chins might be fun...
Nostril hairs are very photogenic.
I don't have a strong opinion about the camera in or out, but I think those arguing that a camera is fundamentally a bad idea are overlooking something pretty basic. With the camera mounted above the screen, if you are looking at the tablet, then you are also looking into the camera. So unless you can use the tablet without looking at it, then it's not a problem.
But then why would Gruber say something so far against common expectations if he didn't know something?
What would be really cool: A facial tracking camera with software to make the motion highly intelligent and SMOOTH. I don't video conference, but I'm not everyone. I'm sure plenty of college students would love a front facing camera for Skype and whatever else...
There are other uses for a camera too: scanning business cards. qm codes. Evernote. It's not just for snapping photos of your dog.
But then why would Gruber say something so far against common expectations if he didn't know something?
We need to stop reading so much into his comment. He never said he believes that is going to happen and his comment could be taken to mean he doesn?t actually believe it to be true but this is what he heard.
We already have iPhone apps that use the camera to read bar codes. Such a function would be very useful for said tablet.
We need to stop reading so much into his comment. He never said he believes that is going to happen and his comment could be taken to mean he doesn?t actually believe it to be true but this is what he heard.
If he has been accurate with past prediction, and he has, then I think it's at least reasonable to weigh in, knowing everything at this point is still speculation regardless of the source.
I agree with Ireland, why wouldn't you just stick the camera in there?? ... why would Gruber say something so far against common expectations if he didn't know something? ...
I'm not bothered either way really, I'm just arguing that it doesn't make sense design-wise for it to have a camera, but it could easily have one just based on how easy it is to drop one in there.
To argue against your point above though ...
Webcams are ubiquitous on Macs, and there is a rear-facing camera on the iPhone, but it shouldn't be a "common expectation" for such a camera to be on the tablet as it's a new device. The only devices in the same category from Apple, (the iPhone, iPod touch), don't have one (even though they have the rear-facing ones).
It may have one, it may not. But there should be no "expectation" that it "should" have one or anything like that, and (as I argued previously), I don't think it's a good "fit" for the video conferencing use that most people seem to assume it would have.
We'll all find out soon enough anyway.
2 cameras. Front and back.
One camera on the front, end of discussion.
others? you all know what's in there already... can't wait to have it...
Carry around those stupid glasses and you can chat with the other person in 3D. WOW.
Apple's using it's technology for Photo Booth to actually make it appear to the other person on the call as if you aren't even wearing your stupic glasses. I can't wait.
i would love to see apple tablet with web cam behind the screen which filed sometime last year, 5+ megapix out side; first gen iphone like case to solve heat issue. plus removable batt like early unibody mac book with cover.
others? you all know what's in there already... can't wait to have it...
Why a 5MP camera on the outside? Is taking pictures with a 10" tablet a good idea?
One camera on the front, end of discussion.
So if a person is wearing a skirt while video conferencing, one has to be careful not to drop the tablet on the floor?
Seriously though, I set up a lot of video conferences and it's almost always a task of getting two people on the globe in a place with the correct bandwidth and equipment at roughly the same time. Casual "video-calls" are rare and usually only take place between serious Skype heads and companies that have all Apple equipment. Even then the video size is small, (or blurry and jaggy if it's blown up), audio sucks etc.
If Apple wanted to make a device for video-conferencing or to make the masses all of a sudden discover video calling, the tablet would not be it. It may have a camera just because almost everything does nowadays, but the leak by the French guy that implies we are all going to be using these as video-phones seems really unlikely to me.
PS - Do you realise that you've "ended discussion" on almost every aspect of the tablet at this point? You're so inflexible, that you are bound to be wrong about some of your predictions.
There are many things that can be done with cameras. Reading bar codes, identifying products, social things, business things, creative things... cameras have proved their utility over and over. If you add communications (wifi hopefully, not so hot on cell, but as long as it has wifi I'll be happy), then the number of things you can do with your camera multiply enormously.
Consequently, the optimum thing to do here is put both a inward facing and an outward facing camera on the tablet. This would provide maximum convenience, functionality, and usability to the user.
Having said that, after Apple's complete and utter FAIL with the camera on the nano and not on the Touch, this could easily be another case of Jobsian myopia-for-your-own-good.
We'll know when it's released. The Orange guy has discredited himself; mr. tech blogger never had any credit to start with.
So if a person is wearing a skirt while video conferencing, one has to be careful not to drop the tablet on the floor?
Seriously though, I set up a lot of video conferences and it's almost always a task of getting two people on the globe in a place with the correct bandwidth and equipment at roughly the same time. Casual "video-calls" are rare and usually only take place between serious Skype heads and companies that have all Apple equipment. Even then the video size is small, (or blurry and jaggy if it's blown up), audio sucks etc.
If Apple wanted to make a device for video-conferencing or to make the masses all of a sudden discover video calling, the tablet would not be it. It may have a camera just because almost everything does nowadays, but the leak by the French guy that implies we are all going to be using these as video-phones seems really unlikely to me.
PS - Do you realise that you've "ended discussion" on almost every aspect of the tablet at this point? You're so inflexible, that you are bound to be wrong about some of your predictions.
My daughter video conferences using her MacBook Pro when she's in school in the UK, and either, when she's back here in the US.
I'm sure she'd find a way to do this with a tablet as well. She said she would.
You guys are thinking too corporate. It shows that you aren't in touch with the younger generation. They figure out ways to do things we wouldn't want to do.
This is going to be fun to read in a couple of weeks.
This is probably the most certain of anything said in this thread.
This thing is supposed to be a grand, right? So build costs will run around $500 or less. Cameras are ultra cheap to do, adding no significant cost. Heck, I can buy one in a case for $10; mounted in a tablet where the case is there already... even cheaper.
There are many things that can be done with cameras. Reading bar codes, identifying products, social things, business things, creative things... cameras have proved their utility over and over. If you add communications (wifi hopefully, not so hot on cell, but as long as it has wifi I'll be happy), then the number of things you can do with your camera multiply enormously.
Consequently, the optimum thing to do here is put both a inward facing and an outward facing camera on the tablet. This would provide maximum convenience, functionality, and usability to the user.
Having said that, after Apple's complete and utter FAIL with the camera on the nano and not on the Touch, this could easily be another case of Jobsian myopia-for-your-own-good.
We'll know when it's released. The Orange guy has discredited himself; mr. tech blogger never had any credit to start with.
It was pretty obvious that Apple intended a camera to be in the last Touch but that there was a problem. The area for one was shown in a teardown. Of course Jobs said that Apple didn't intend to do it. That's just corporate speak.