I smell a class action law suit coming.... although not exactly sure how it would be written.
Thank god I downloaded the presentation last night before Apple changes it. This is right up there with switching frames on the Zapruder film! Right out of "Blow Out".
Anyone that has programmed in Flash knows what a cow it is. It needs to be written from scratch (as well as other Adobe products).
And they better do something quick because they are about to lose out to HTML5.
Sorry but when S Jobs' presentation itself gets littered with boxes of unavailable flash content you know something is not right in the Apple controlled Universe.
While an interesting idea in theory, it would probably result in a lawsuit. Advertisers could claim that Apple is intentionally blocking flash ads only to turn it around and resell the space to someone else.
I'll take the empty spaces.
Possibly.
But if advertisers want to place ads on the iPad, all they need to do is push HTML5 content into those holes instead of Flash. But I still think it would be amusing if Apple sold their own adverting to replace the flash ads.
The fact of the matter is that Flash is used for a number of solutions, but technologically, is not great at any of them.
For video streaming it fails to exploit hardware compression (and as far as I can tell) hardware scaling. It also fails to sync properly so flash video is prone to tearing artefacts.
For vector animation it is incredibly CPU intensive. And always has been. For mobile users this is a drag because one flash ad can burn more battery than a video-game.
And then there is the interactive element of Flash for the little web games.
Certainly HTML5 seems to offer a better solution for both video and vector animation. The death of Flash seems long overdue.
...which come from the 30 million or so porn sites. This could well be one of the reasons of Apples policy and if so, I fully support it.
I hereby completely change my stance regarding Flash. WE MUST HAVE FLASH NOW! DAMN YOU APPLE, DAMN YOU TO HELL!
[for the sarcasm-impaired, yes, this is sarcasm! Besides, lotsa porn sites support downloads in what they call "iPod" format. Just Google "free iphone porn".]
There is nothing worse than hitting a flash ad on my G5 Powermac. The fans kick in to full power mode- until I resize the window so that it is cropped out and it stops rendering, and the fans cycle down to normal. If it affects my G5 that much, I can't imagine what it would do to an iPhone/iPad.
I'd like a switch for Flash on/off (just for Hulu), but there is no way it would be added, as Apple's target audience has no clue what flash is and where it is used. Maybe Hulu should get on the HTML5 bandwagon.
Download Firefox and install the NoScript add-on, it blocks all scripts (including Flash) until you click on them or allow.
You can also make the Flash permissions permanent or temporary on a per site basis.
Other great Firefox add-ons: Ad Block Plus, BetterPrivacy (clears out tracking Flash cookies), FastestFox (pre-loads the next Google search results on the same web page for one), FlagFox (tells you the country the site your visiting server is on), Ghostery (blocks web bugs), MorningCoffee (one click loads your favorite sites), NoSquint (remembers your page zoom levels per site), RequestPolicy and GoogleSharing are also good.
I just wish that the things that are the most successful (i.e. everything listed by the Adobe CEO) had their own app that allowed them to work w/ Flash as an inset or something.
I don't want Flash in my Safari but I sure as hell want Hulu, ESPN and Facebook games. I can deal without ESPN but the only reason I ever lug my laptop around 50% of the time is for Hulu and Facebook games. If the iPad did those things I'd be tempted to buy one - otherwise I'd still have to lug around my laptop.
I.E. when they make a hack that will install flash in Safari I might get one but, as I said, I'd prefer dedicated apps so I don't have all the other worthless flash things popping up on my screen.
The iPad is BETTER because it does not include flash.
my grandmother doesn't know what a "web browser" is, but it doesn't mean she's not using it.
i don't like flash, but so far nobody's decided on html5 video codecs (firefox wants ogg, safari/chrome want mpeg, microsoft wants html4) so good luck viewing any online videos without it.
clearly apple just wants flash to die (thank you) and with their commanding mobile influence html5 might just get the boost it needs. until everyone agrees on a codec flash is here to stay.
i understand that apple may feel the iphone is too slow to run flash effectively, but for the A4 processor based iPad it should be completely possible.
which leads me to my last point...the only disappointing thing about the iPad to me is that it intents to be more of a computer, but it's not quite at that point where applications are developed freely by everyone...everything still has to go through the app store. i would love a tablet computer like the iPad but apple doesn't think anything under $1000 should act like a full laptop.
the full potential of the iPhone OS won't be realized until apple combines the flexibility of mac os with the interface innovations of iphone os
Yeah sure, Steve Jobs showed websites with Flash video on purpose. Who the heck wants free internet video anyway? It's not the Steve way so we are better off without it, until he tells us otherwise. For now, if we want video, we should pay for it through itunes.
Adobe will have to make a version of Flash just for Apple's devices? I don't think so, especially if there is no money involved.
Apple already make platform specific versions of Flash (for content creation) and the Flash Plug-in (for delivery) What are you talking about? Most graphics and web development agencies use the Mac platform, so it's not exactly "no money" we're talking about.
The flash plug in, proprietary, locked down technology, created by Adobe (well, currently 'developed' by them at least) is for Adobe to sort out, not Apple.
People rail against Apple for being 'closed', but rally to the cause of Adobe - are you serious?!
Yeah sure, Steve Jobs showed websites with Flash video on purpose. Who the heck wants free internet video anyway? It's not the Steve way so we are better off without it, until he tells us otherwise. For now, if we want video, we should pay for it through itunes.
It's funny, i've got Youtube open in another tab, it's not costing me anything and I'm watching video without flash? Care to explain your statement? This is an issue of stability, standards, quality and accessibility, not one of profit for Apple.
If apple allowed the flash plug in on the iPod Touch, iPhone and the 'pad the battery life would be around an hour, the devices would be hot to the touch and crash every ten to fifteen minutes.
One, it could be that Apple Marketing team missed it and had a false advertisement.
Two, Steve Jobs didn't say anything about final OS and Flash was in testing.
Right now it is 3.2 Beta, so Apple can drop features and add-ons at anytime. That's why there's a 60day wait, because Apple wants developers to give feedback and make insane Apps.
i don't like flash, but so far nobody's decided on html5 video codecs (firefox wants ogg, safari/chrome want mpeg, microsoft wants html4) so good luck viewing any online videos without it.
I like Apple and respect Jobs a lot, but not having Adobe Flash on the iPhone, touch, and iPad are plain silly. HTML-5 will be great, but it's not ready for prime time and won't be for probably 3-5 years as browsers and developers get up to speed. If you have the technology at your finger-tips that works and will give users a full experience, it's pure ego and stubbornness not to use it.
As for the photos on Apple's site, that's is misleading and wrong, isn't that false advertisement?!! They are liars in that regard.
Like it or not, but Flash is a reality on the Internet. In the promo video, Apple repeatedly talks about the iPad as the best way to surf the web.
People may have accepted missing Flash on the smaller screen of the iPhone, but I think it will not be accepted on the iPad, a full-size web device.
/Daniel
Yes, and fifteen years ago all web content was barely formatted text, ten years ago badly animated gifs, five years ago everything was drowning in unnecessary flash content.
The internet is moving on. Flash was never intended as a way of presenting video, it sucks at it pretty badly. Adobe - sort your plug in. Browser developers - stop holding up new standards and let the world move forward - especially internet $&*(££&^ explorer!
If you have the technology at your finger-tips that works and will give users a full experience, it's pure ego and stubbornness not to use it.
It DOESN'T work, that's the point. It's not stable, it consumes up to 100% processor power, it causes over heating and drains battery life, while causing hangs and browser crashes.
Apple already make platform specific versions of Flash (for content creation) and the Flash Plug-in (for delivery) What are you talking about? Most graphics and web development agencies use the Mac platform, so it's not exactly "no money" we're talking about.
The flash plug in, proprietary, locked down technology, created by Adobe (well, currently 'developed' by them at least) is for Adobe to sort out, not Apple.
People rail against Apple for being 'closed', but rally to the cause of Adobe - are you serious?!
People are pretty dumb for the most part. What do you expect?
It's funny, i've got Youtube open in another tab, it's not costing me anything and I'm watching video without flash? Care to explain your statement? This is an issue of stability, standards, quality and accessibility, not one of profit for Apple.
If apple allowed the flash plug in on the iPod Touch, iPhone and the 'pad the battery life would be around an hour, the devices would be hot to the touch and crash every ten to fifteen minutes.
That is the fact. That is the issue.
It is for Adobe to fix their software, not Apple.
Uh fact? There is no Flash on the iPod. Don't you mean speculation? And yeah, YouTube is Flash too, so care to explain yourself?
There are 2 misunderstandings here. Flash will not play on the iPad. However the NYTimes has developed an iPad app that presents the Times exactly like their webpage but using H.264 instead of Flash. That explains why when Jobs loaded the web NYTimes at the demo we saw the missing flash icon. Anyone who thinks that was an unintentional accident doesn't know Jobs or Apple very well. These events are planned with military precision. No accident, a not so subtle lift of the middle finger to Adobe. However, once you have an iPad and you run the NYTimes App on the iPad you'll see the full NYTimes but with H.264 instead of Flash.
I think you may be mistaken, but I'm not positive. If you look at the pictures they both appear to be in Safari.
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I smell a class action law suit coming.... although not exactly sure how it would be written.
Thank god I downloaded the presentation last night before Apple changes it. This is right up there with switching frames on the Zapruder film! Right out of "Blow Out".
Anyone that has programmed in Flash knows what a cow it is. It needs to be written from scratch (as well as other Adobe products).
And they better do something quick because they are about to lose out to HTML5.
Sorry but when S Jobs' presentation itself gets littered with boxes of unavailable flash content you know something is not right in the Apple controlled Universe.
While an interesting idea in theory, it would probably result in a lawsuit. Advertisers could claim that Apple is intentionally blocking flash ads only to turn it around and resell the space to someone else.
I'll take the empty spaces.
Possibly.
But if advertisers want to place ads on the iPad, all they need to do is push HTML5 content into those holes instead of Flash. But I still think it would be amusing if Apple sold their own adverting to replace the flash ads.
The fact of the matter is that Flash is used for a number of solutions, but technologically, is not great at any of them.
For video streaming it fails to exploit hardware compression (and as far as I can tell) hardware scaling. It also fails to sync properly so flash video is prone to tearing artefacts.
For vector animation it is incredibly CPU intensive. And always has been. For mobile users this is a drag because one flash ad can burn more battery than a video-game.
And then there is the interactive element of Flash for the little web games.
Certainly HTML5 seems to offer a better solution for both video and vector animation. The death of Flash seems long overdue.
C.
...which come from the 30 million or so porn sites. This could well be one of the reasons of Apples policy and if so, I fully support it.
I hereby completely change my stance regarding Flash. WE MUST HAVE FLASH NOW! DAMN YOU APPLE, DAMN YOU TO HELL!
[for the sarcasm-impaired, yes, this is sarcasm! Besides, lotsa porn sites support downloads in what they call "iPod" format.
There is nothing worse than hitting a flash ad on my G5 Powermac. The fans kick in to full power mode- until I resize the window so that it is cropped out and it stops rendering, and the fans cycle down to normal. If it affects my G5 that much, I can't imagine what it would do to an iPhone/iPad.
I'd like a switch for Flash on/off (just for Hulu), but there is no way it would be added, as Apple's target audience has no clue what flash is and where it is used. Maybe Hulu should get on the HTML5 bandwagon.
Download Firefox and install the NoScript add-on, it blocks all scripts (including Flash) until you click on them or allow.
You can also make the Flash permissions permanent or temporary on a per site basis.
Other great Firefox add-ons: Ad Block Plus, BetterPrivacy (clears out tracking Flash cookies), FastestFox (pre-loads the next Google search results on the same web page for one), FlagFox (tells you the country the site your visiting server is on), Ghostery (blocks web bugs), MorningCoffee (one click loads your favorite sites), NoSquint (remembers your page zoom levels per site), RequestPolicy and GoogleSharing are also good.
I don't want Flash in my Safari but I sure as hell want Hulu, ESPN and Facebook games. I can deal without ESPN but the only reason I ever lug my laptop around 50% of the time is for Hulu and Facebook games. If the iPad did those things I'd be tempted to buy one - otherwise I'd still have to lug around my laptop.
I.E. when they make a hack that will install flash in Safari I might get one but, as I said, I'd prefer dedicated apps so I don't have all the other worthless flash things popping up on my screen.
I'm glad that the iPad does not support flash
Nobody cares about flash.
My grandmother doesn't even know what flash IS.
Flash would run down the battery.
The iPad is BETTER because it does not include flash.
my grandmother doesn't know what a "web browser" is, but it doesn't mean she's not using it.
i don't like flash, but so far nobody's decided on html5 video codecs (firefox wants ogg, safari/chrome want mpeg, microsoft wants html4) so good luck viewing any online videos without it.
clearly apple just wants flash to die (thank you) and with their commanding mobile influence html5 might just get the boost it needs. until everyone agrees on a codec flash is here to stay.
i understand that apple may feel the iphone is too slow to run flash effectively, but for the A4 processor based iPad it should be completely possible.
which leads me to my last point...the only disappointing thing about the iPad to me is that it intents to be more of a computer, but it's not quite at that point where applications are developed freely by everyone...everything still has to go through the app store. i would love a tablet computer like the iPad but apple doesn't think anything under $1000 should act like a full laptop.
the full potential of the iPhone OS won't be realized until apple combines the flexibility of mac os with the interface innovations of iphone os
People may have accepted missing Flash on the smaller screen of the iPhone, but I think it will not be accepted on the iPad, a full-size web device.
/Daniel
Adobe will have to make a version of Flash just for Apple's devices? I don't think so, especially if there is no money involved.
Apple already make platform specific versions of Flash (for content creation) and the Flash Plug-in (for delivery) What are you talking about? Most graphics and web development agencies use the Mac platform, so it's not exactly "no money" we're talking about.
The flash plug in, proprietary, locked down technology, created by Adobe (well, currently 'developed' by them at least) is for Adobe to sort out, not Apple.
People rail against Apple for being 'closed', but rally to the cause of Adobe - are you serious?!
Yeah sure, Steve Jobs showed websites with Flash video on purpose. Who the heck wants free internet video anyway? It's not the Steve way so we are better off without it, until he tells us otherwise. For now, if we want video, we should pay for it through itunes.
It's funny, i've got Youtube open in another tab, it's not costing me anything and I'm watching video without flash? Care to explain your statement? This is an issue of stability, standards, quality and accessibility, not one of profit for Apple.
If apple allowed the flash plug in on the iPod Touch, iPhone and the 'pad the battery life would be around an hour, the devices would be hot to the touch and crash every ten to fifteen minutes.
That is the fact. That is the issue.
It is for Adobe to fix their software, not Apple.
Two, Steve Jobs didn't say anything about final OS and Flash was in testing.
Right now it is 3.2 Beta, so Apple can drop features and add-ons at anytime. That's why there's a 60day wait, because Apple wants developers to give feedback and make insane Apps.
i don't like flash, but so far nobody's decided on html5 video codecs (firefox wants ogg, safari/chrome want mpeg, microsoft wants html4) so good luck viewing any online videos without it.
Ermm - youtube is already doing it?
As for the photos on Apple's site, that's is misleading and wrong, isn't that false advertisement?!! They are liars in that regard.
Like it or not, but Flash is a reality on the Internet. In the promo video, Apple repeatedly talks about the iPad as the best way to surf the web.
People may have accepted missing Flash on the smaller screen of the iPhone, but I think it will not be accepted on the iPad, a full-size web device.
/Daniel
Yes, and fifteen years ago all web content was barely formatted text, ten years ago badly animated gifs, five years ago everything was drowning in unnecessary flash content.
The internet is moving on. Flash was never intended as a way of presenting video, it sucks at it pretty badly. Adobe - sort your plug in. Browser developers - stop holding up new standards and let the world move forward - especially internet $&*(££&^ explorer!
If you have the technology at your finger-tips that works and will give users a full experience, it's pure ego and stubbornness not to use it.
It DOESN'T work, that's the point. It's not stable, it consumes up to 100% processor power, it causes over heating and drains battery life, while causing hangs and browser crashes.
Apple already make platform specific versions of Flash (for content creation) and the Flash Plug-in (for delivery) What are you talking about? Most graphics and web development agencies use the Mac platform, so it's not exactly "no money" we're talking about.
The flash plug in, proprietary, locked down technology, created by Adobe (well, currently 'developed' by them at least) is for Adobe to sort out, not Apple.
People rail against Apple for being 'closed', but rally to the cause of Adobe - are you serious?!
People are pretty dumb for the most part. What do you expect?
It's funny, i've got Youtube open in another tab, it's not costing me anything and I'm watching video without flash? Care to explain your statement? This is an issue of stability, standards, quality and accessibility, not one of profit for Apple.
If apple allowed the flash plug in on the iPod Touch, iPhone and the 'pad the battery life would be around an hour, the devices would be hot to the touch and crash every ten to fifteen minutes.
That is the fact. That is the issue.
It is for Adobe to fix their software, not Apple.
Uh fact? There is no Flash on the iPod. Don't you mean speculation? And yeah, YouTube is Flash too, so care to explain yourself?
There are 2 misunderstandings here. Flash will not play on the iPad. However the NYTimes has developed an iPad app that presents the Times exactly like their webpage but using H.264 instead of Flash. That explains why when Jobs loaded the web NYTimes at the demo we saw the missing flash icon. Anyone who thinks that was an unintentional accident doesn't know Jobs or Apple very well. These events are planned with military precision. No accident, a not so subtle lift of the middle finger to Adobe. However, once you have an iPad and you run the NYTimes App on the iPad you'll see the full NYTimes but with H.264 instead of Flash.
I think you may be mistaken, but I'm not positive. If you look at the pictures they both appear to be in Safari.