What is the point of praising the conversion of one restricted commerical format to another restricted commerical format. H.264 may be a standard, but there are a tonne of companies (Apple included) they are sitting there awaiting money to come out of it.
What is the point of praising the conversion of one restricted commerical format to another restricted commerical format. H.264 may be a standard, but there are a tonne of companies (Apple included) they are sitting there awaiting money to come out of it.
No it wasn't the discussion involves open vs closed.
Some companies who provide the means to create H.264 content:-
Apple Inc.
DAEWOO Electronics Corporation
Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation
Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute
France Télécom, société anonyme*
Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft zur Foerderung der angewandten Forschung e.V.
Fujitsu Limited
Hitachi, Ltd.
Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V.
LG Electronics Inc.
Microsoft Corporation
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
NTT DOCOMO, INC.
Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation
Panasonic Corporation
Robert Bosch GmbH*
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Scientific-Atlanta Vancouver Company
Sedna Patent Services, LLC
Sharp Corporation
Siemens AG
Sony Corporation
The Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York
Toshiba Corporation
Victor Company of Japan, Ltd.*
Some companies who provide the means to provide Flash content.
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HTML 5 can also use FREE codecs, as was shown earlier Ogg Vorbis and Theora are SOME of the FREE and OPEN SOURCE codecs that can be used with HTML5, in fact Mozilla and Opera are both using them NOW, embedded in html, no plug-ins required.
Yeah, that's why I was questioning it. It seems like this thread (and others) has some problem distinguishing among "free", "open", and "proprietary", as well as between HTML5 and H.264.
I'd rather play Mafia Wars on Facebook (which isn't from the App store) on my iPhone, or Bejewelled Blitz and post scores vs Facebook friends, Doodle jump or many of the other games available in the App store that link into Twitter and Facebook.
Farmville on a MacBook using the multitouch trackpad is a boring monotonous game, you plant your crops etc. With the fancy flash mouse pointer which sluggishly moves around the screen, when a notification pops up requiring you to post some lame acheivement on your friends walls the real mouse pointer you need disappears.
From my iPhone I can still do a few things with Farmville including accepting gifts and neighbour requests etc.
I was only using Farmville as an example of a popular flash game. Are you going to disparage every Flash game out there to excuse the fact it wont play on an iPad? There are some decent games on the iPhone, but that's not the same as enjoying interactive content on a site that lots of people (including you) visit daily. Plus it's free. Are all games on Miniclip crap too? I want to be able to have games from anywhere I want, not told what I can and cant play by Apple.
Farmville plays just fine on my iMac, maybe you should upgrade. Or install Bootcamp, it runs fine in Win 7.
Some companies who provide the means to provide Flash content.
[CENTER]Adobe.[/CENTER]
And what happens with the flash file has embedded h.264?
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Originally Posted by hill60
HTML 5 can also use FREE codecs, as was shown earlier Ogg Vorbis and Theora are SOME of the FREE and OPEN SOURCE codecs that can be used with HTML5, in fact Mozilla and Opera are both using them NOW, embedded in html, no plug-ins required.
And then you go back to the split of online video formats that you had years ago, and what is the point of Mozilla and Opera supporting one format natively, whent the video placed by most commerical outfits will be in another format. I am not saying flash is wonderful, it annoys me just as much as everyone else, but you seem to be missing the point that h.264 is a commerical product, the people who contributed to the standard expect to get money back for their investment.
And what happens with the flash file has embedded h.264?
And then you go back to the split of online video formats that you had years ago, and what is the point of Mozilla and Opera supporting one format natively, whent the video placed by most commerical outfits will be in another format. I am not saying flash is wonderful, it annoys me just as much as everyone else, but you seem to be missing the point that h.264 is a commerical product, the people who contributed to the standard expect to get money back for their investment.
One thing that is obscured is that Flash used several different codecs over the time. I understand most of those had a fee associated with using them, and so does using Flash as far as I recall. It's been a while, so I forget the details.
I was using Mafia Wars as an example of another popular online interactive game, in fact from Zynga who also make Farmville.
Point:- you can play online interactive games without using Flash, i.e. Flash is not the ONLY way you can do this.
It plays perfectly fine on an iPhone directly in Safari, no App store input required at all unless you want to play using the Facebook App.
Maybe I should plug in a mouse to play Farmville you mean, given it's unsuitability when using the multitouch touchpad on my MacBook, anyway I'm at level 70 with $50,000,000 cash there's not much more I can do, except to add more junk, planting carrots gets quite boring after a while.
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Originally Posted by Scaramanga89
I was only using Farmville as an example of a popular flash game. Are you going to disparage every Flash game out there to excuse the fact it wont play on an iPad? There are some decent games on the iPhone, but that's not the same as enjoying interactive content on a site that lots of people (including you) visit daily. Plus it's free. Are all games on Miniclip crap too? I want to be able to have games from anywhere I want, not told what I can and cant play by Apple.
Farmville plays just fine on my iMac, maybe you should upgrade. Or install Bootcamp, it runs fine in Win 7.
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I thought you said HTML 5 needs H.264?
No, all those videos being converted from flash, are going into h.264, a licenced technology, ie someone has to pay for it.
No, all those videos being converted from flash, are going into h.264, a licenced technology, ie someone has to pay for it.
Unlike Flash, you mean?
Unlike Flash, you mean?
What is the point of praising the conversion of one restricted commerical format to another restricted commerical format. H.264 may be a standard, but there are a tonne of companies (Apple included) they are sitting there awaiting money to come out of it.
AVC/H.264 Licensors
What is the point of praising the conversion of one restricted commerical format to another restricted commerical format. H.264 may be a standard, but there are a tonne of companies (Apple included) they are sitting there awaiting money to come out of it.
Unlike Flash, H.264 is not owned or beholden to any one company. Anyone is free to contribute.
AVC/H.264 Licensors
But it is not free
But it is not free
No. Was that a point of contention?
No. Was that a point of contention?
Yes it was
Yes it was
Where? I've rescanned the thread and can't find a single mention of H.264 being free.
Some companies who provide the means to create H.264 content:-
Apple Inc.
DAEWOO Electronics Corporation
Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation
Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute
France Télécom, société anonyme*
Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft zur Foerderung der angewandten Forschung e.V.
Fujitsu Limited
Hitachi, Ltd.
Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V.
LG Electronics Inc.
Microsoft Corporation
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
NTT DOCOMO, INC.
Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation
Panasonic Corporation
Robert Bosch GmbH*
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Scientific-Atlanta Vancouver Company
Sedna Patent Services, LLC
Sharp Corporation
Siemens AG
Sony Corporation
The Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York
Toshiba Corporation
Victor Company of Japan, Ltd.*
Some companies who provide the means to provide Flash content.
[CENTER]Adobe.[/CENTER]
HTML 5 can also use FREE codecs, as was shown earlier Ogg Vorbis and Theora are SOME of the FREE and OPEN SOURCE codecs that can be used with HTML5, in fact Mozilla and Opera are both using them NOW, embedded in html, no plug-ins required.
Yes it was
I'd rather play Mafia Wars on Facebook (which isn't from the App store) on my iPhone, or Bejewelled Blitz and post scores vs Facebook friends, Doodle jump or many of the other games available in the App store that link into Twitter and Facebook.
Farmville on a MacBook using the multitouch trackpad is a boring monotonous game, you plant your crops etc. With the fancy flash mouse pointer which sluggishly moves around the screen, when a notification pops up requiring you to post some lame acheivement on your friends walls the real mouse pointer you need disappears.
From my iPhone I can still do a few things with Farmville including accepting gifts and neighbour requests etc.
I was only using Farmville as an example of a popular flash game. Are you going to disparage every Flash game out there to excuse the fact it wont play on an iPad? There are some decent games on the iPhone, but that's not the same as enjoying interactive content on a site that lots of people (including you) visit daily. Plus it's free. Are all games on Miniclip crap too? I want to be able to have games from anywhere I want, not told what I can and cant play by Apple.
Farmville plays just fine on my iMac, maybe you should upgrade. Or install Bootcamp, it runs fine in Win 7.
Some companies who provide the means to provide Flash content.
[CENTER]Adobe.[/CENTER]
And what happens with the flash file has embedded h.264?
HTML 5 can also use FREE codecs, as was shown earlier Ogg Vorbis and Theora are SOME of the FREE and OPEN SOURCE codecs that can be used with HTML5, in fact Mozilla and Opera are both using them NOW, embedded in html, no plug-ins required.
And then you go back to the split of online video formats that you had years ago, and what is the point of Mozilla and Opera supporting one format natively, whent the video placed by most commerical outfits will be in another format. I am not saying flash is wonderful, it annoys me just as much as everyone else, but you seem to be missing the point that h.264 is a commerical product, the people who contributed to the standard expect to get money back for their investment.
And what happens with the flash file has embedded h.264?
And then you go back to the split of online video formats that you had years ago, and what is the point of Mozilla and Opera supporting one format natively, whent the video placed by most commerical outfits will be in another format. I am not saying flash is wonderful, it annoys me just as much as everyone else, but you seem to be missing the point that h.264 is a commerical product, the people who contributed to the standard expect to get money back for their investment.
One thing that is obscured is that Flash used several different codecs over the time. I understand most of those had a fee associated with using them, and so does using Flash as far as I recall. It's been a while, so I forget the details.
Point:- you can play online interactive games without using Flash, i.e. Flash is not the ONLY way you can do this.
It plays perfectly fine on an iPhone directly in Safari, no App store input required at all unless you want to play using the Facebook App.
Maybe I should plug in a mouse to play Farmville you mean, given it's unsuitability when using the multitouch touchpad on my MacBook, anyway I'm at level 70 with $50,000,000 cash there's not much more I can do, except to add more junk, planting carrots gets quite boring after a while.
I was only using Farmville as an example of a popular flash game. Are you going to disparage every Flash game out there to excuse the fact it wont play on an iPad? There are some decent games on the iPhone, but that's not the same as enjoying interactive content on a site that lots of people (including you) visit daily. Plus it's free. Are all games on Miniclip crap too? I want to be able to have games from anywhere I want, not told what I can and cant play by Apple.
Farmville plays just fine on my iMac, maybe you should upgrade. Or install Bootcamp, it runs fine in Win 7.