They tried that many years ago, positioning the Mac as a real business computer. They did it at the dawn of "multi-media" computers and the rise of the home computer user. They lost in both market segments.
I guess history will repeat itself if that truly is their strategy.
This isn't being marketed at kids/teenagers - the macbook, iPod Touch and iPhone are for that sector. This is for those who just wanna read and browse on the couch, it's too big for a teenager to fit in a pocket, so useless for them, most males don't carry a bag, and teenage girls prefer designer handbags, again a fail for them.
yes, Apple - fail after fail. A growing share of the OS, laptop and desktop market, complete dominance in smartphones and music players, a brand that most young people aspire to own (buy a teenager a zune when they've asked for an iPod and duck on christmas morning!). They're running at increasing profit and have redefined the platform of mobile computing. The 'pad really isn't anything 'new', nor was the iPod, nor the iPhone - apple know their market place and they know how to market a product, redefine a market place and leave others to emulate and to play catch up. Anyone who denies this is crazy.
1) As you could see in the keynote, presenters had a line-out from the iPad to the projector.
As for the rest, they are confirmed/supported in this article itself, the iPad web site on features, specs, iPad video, etc., including printing to a network printer via Wi-Fi.
Exchange support is suspiciously missing in any of the talk about Mail. They do not call out Activesync like they do on the iPhone.
It's meant to do everything the Kindle does, plus a helluva lot more (we'll be approaching - but not quite getting to - laptop replacement territory), and look gorgeous in the process, for a bit more money.
That's an extremely solid starting-position. Developers will make this thing indispensable.
Has it escaped your notice that this is not a netbook? Perhaps the lack of keyboard is a clue?
Netbooks are one of the devices that the iPad is intended to replace, but he is mixing up need and want. A webcam isn't needed, some individuals may want it and some may even "need" it but the iPad doesn't need it to sell well. Most people complaining about it are just bashing the iPad for things it doesn't have since that is easy to do. Only Apple products are evaluated by what they don't have instead of what they have.
For instance, one of the biggest complaints about the iPod touch was the inability to drag and drop files onto the iPod touch from a computer, but now that the iPad has that (to what extent isn't really known at this point), there is nary a peep. Well except for the occasional misinformed poster complaining about not being able to do that on the iPad.
If I were someone who wanted a webcam, I would want to webcam to face me regardless of how I held the iPad, not shooting the ceiling if I lay it flat on a table. Maybe a third party, adjustable webcam connected through the dock connector would be a better fit anyway.
Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the former much better and intuitive that the latter. Those are the real facts!
Your sentence if fairly mangled but if yo are saying PowerPoint is better than Keynote you are wrong on the facts. All objective reviews come down on the Keynote software being superior to PowerPoint and have for many revisions now.
The 'Pad is a toy. It is not suited for heavy-duty use. I think that emphasizing business use is a huge mistake. I was very surprised when iWork was emphasized, given that the device has dodgy input and output, and no ability to multitask.
The 'Pad is not a toy. It is suited for heavy-duty use. I think that emphasizing business use is a smart move. I wasn't surprised when iWork was emphasized, given that the device has very adequate input and output, and the inability to multitask doesn't seem to have hampered the other iphone OS devices.
Are you giving some variant of Canned Answer No. 489: Nobody else cares? If not, I don't understand your statement. If so, I'd be surprised if you were right.
It's not about right or wrong. Its about buying a product that will suit your needs. Assuming that because you take issue with something everyone else does/should too, is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=iGenius;1561209Yeah? You listen to Pandora or the other 100 music apps while surfing the web? Your Apple device is capable of it. Are you sure that you are getting the most out of the device?[/QUOTE]
No, no I dont use Pandora or any of the 100 other music apps. I listen to the music that I put on my iPhone, and it works great for me.
[QUOTE=iGenius;1561209Cool. Two canned answers in one sentence! "Nobody else cares. You are a deviant in your desires."[/QUOTE]
Again, if you absolutely need flash, then there are other products that will fulfill those needs for you.
IMO, it is fairly ugly. The bezel is MUCH wider than it should be.
And there's no new software, just a new screen size for the same old crippled OS.
But I hope that I am truly myopic, and that developers get all excited about a 4:3 medium-sized screen. I hope you are right. But small screened real computers have existed for years, so I don't see the innovative nature of the device.
iGenius, do me a favour - firmly tape both of your thumbs flat to your hands then pick up your laptop. Now try and type on the keyboard.
That guy is the slowest counter in the world! Once the start button was finally released, boot time was 17 seconds. Add about 3 seconds that you need to hold the button and you have a 20 second boot time, not 10 or 11 as he proclaimed.
It's meant to do everything the Kindle does, plus a helluva lot more (we'll be approaching - but not quite getting to - laptop replacement territory), and look gorgeous in the process, for a bit more money.
For $10 more than the Kindle DX I'm just not sure it's worth it.
The iPad would be perfect for my job as a training specialist, although I would definitely need Exchange support. I'm not sure if Bento could handle my database needs. I don't do anything too crazy in Access.
... The iPad will sync documents with iTunes just like the iPhone currently does, in addition to accessing cloud, web, and local file shares. ...
WTF?
If this is true then it isn't going *anywhere* in the business world. If iWork syncs it's documents into iTunes the way the voice recorder throws memos in with songs I simply won't be buying it.
The physical restrictions of the form factor are bad enough, but if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me.
Also of note, how can *anything* be a business computer if it doesn't have a USB port?
Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the former much better and intuitive that the latter. Those are the real facts!
iWork is pretty much compatible with MS Office, and iWork is cheaper and already built for the iPad. No need for MS Office at all.
I can see doctors totally using an iPad when they see their patients and syncing it with their with their desktops.
Netbooks are one of the devices that the iPad is intended to replace, but he is mixing up need and want.
Nope, this is NOT intended to replace anything, it is a new device category. Why don't people get this? Laptops and desktops have their place, as do smart phones/PDAs. This is something new, not a replacement. Smarter than a smart phone, not as functional as a netbook/laptop.
If this is true then it isn't going *anywhere* in the business world. If iWork syncs it's documents into iTunes the way the voice recorder throws memos in with songs I simply won't be buying it.
The physical restrictions of the form factor are bad enough, but if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me.
Also of note, how can *anything* be a business computer if it doesn't have a USB port?
What do you use your USB port for? There is a USB port btw, an inexpensive adapter - I can't think of a single use for it in a device with 3G and wireless networking though? I do use one of the USB ports on the back of my imac, this is for an external HD - why is this a necessity for a business tablet device?
And don't dismiss the device because of a guess on your part - "if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me. " - Who has stated you can't sync your documents folder with a desktop computer?
What are the restrictions of the form factor?
I heard issues like this when mac removed the ADB port, then removed the floppy disk, next the DVD slot will go - people will be up in arms, but in five years people will ask what they were ever used for. It's called progress, and progress is good.
The iPad would be perfect for my job as a training specialist, although I would definitely need Exchange support. I'm not sure if Bento could handle my database needs. I don't do anything too crazy in Access.
I believe the iPhone has exchange support, as does snow leopard, so I think it's a given that exchange support will be here.
... The iPad will sync documents with iTunes just like the iPhone currently does, in addition to accessing cloud, web, and local file shares.
WTF?
If this is true then it isn't going *anywhere* in the business world. If iWork syncs it's documents into iTunes the way the voice recorder throws memos in with songs I simply won't be buying it.
The physical restrictions of the form factor are bad enough, but if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me.
I think you missed the important bit that makes this ideal for businesses. The iPhone Configuration Utility already takes away the need for iTunes in the Enterprise.
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Also of note, how can *anything* be a business computer if it doesn't have a USB port?
It has USB, just not as USB Type-A port.
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Only as a beta in a very limited trial basis. It is a step in the right direction, but if you're going to say something to try and one-up someone, give all the details and facts.
The HTML5 video tags a complete success. There are two limiting factors, the lack of interactive video controls which require JSS/CSS and lack of HTML5 browser support with H.264. Both of these will continue to grow faster and faster, especially with Google and Apple adding momentum.
Wheres the link to Apples page? You are wrong, you boggle my mind.
No, he's not - there is an adapter for SD cards and a USB port - this is not a card, it's a bit of plastic that slots into the dock connector socket (whatever it's called) for the occasional use that people would need this for...
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They tried that many years ago, positioning the Mac as a real business computer. They did it at the dawn of "multi-media" computers and the rise of the home computer user. They lost in both market segments.
I guess history will repeat itself if that truly is their strategy.
This isn't being marketed at kids/teenagers - the macbook, iPod Touch and iPhone are for that sector. This is for those who just wanna read and browse on the couch, it's too big for a teenager to fit in a pocket, so useless for them, most males don't carry a bag, and teenage girls prefer designer handbags, again a fail for them.
yes, Apple - fail after fail. A growing share of the OS, laptop and desktop market, complete dominance in smartphones and music players, a brand that most young people aspire to own (buy a teenager a zune when they've asked for an iPod and duck on christmas morning!). They're running at increasing profit and have redefined the platform of mobile computing. The 'pad really isn't anything 'new', nor was the iPod, nor the iPhone - apple know their market place and they know how to market a product, redefine a market place and leave others to emulate and to play catch up. Anyone who denies this is crazy.
1) As you could see in the keynote, presenters had a line-out from the iPad to the projector.
As for the rest, they are confirmed/supported in this article itself, the iPad web site on features, specs, iPad video, etc., including printing to a network printer via Wi-Fi.
Exchange support is suspiciously missing in any of the talk about Mail. They do not call out Activesync like they do on the iPhone.
That's an extremely solid starting-position. Developers will make this thing indispensable.
Has it escaped your notice that this is not a netbook? Perhaps the lack of keyboard is a clue?
Netbooks are one of the devices that the iPad is intended to replace, but he is mixing up need and want. A webcam isn't needed, some individuals may want it and some may even "need" it but the iPad doesn't need it to sell well. Most people complaining about it are just bashing the iPad for things it doesn't have since that is easy to do. Only Apple products are evaluated by what they don't have instead of what they have.
For instance, one of the biggest complaints about the iPod touch was the inability to drag and drop files onto the iPod touch from a computer, but now that the iPad has that (to what extent isn't really known at this point), there is nary a peep. Well except for the occasional misinformed poster complaining about not being able to do that on the iPad.
If I were someone who wanted a webcam, I would want to webcam to face me regardless of how I held the iPad, not shooting the ceiling if I lay it flat on a table. Maybe a third party, adjustable webcam connected through the dock connector would be a better fit anyway.
Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the former much better and intuitive that the latter. Those are the real facts!
Your sentence if fairly mangled but if yo are saying PowerPoint is better than Keynote you are wrong on the facts. All objective reviews come down on the Keynote software being superior to PowerPoint and have for many revisions now.
The 'Pad is a toy. It is not suited for heavy-duty use. I think that emphasizing business use is a huge mistake. I was very surprised when iWork was emphasized, given that the device has dodgy input and output, and no ability to multitask.
The 'Pad is not a toy. It is suited for heavy-duty use. I think that emphasizing business use is a smart move. I wasn't surprised when iWork was emphasized, given that the device has very adequate input and output, and the inability to multitask doesn't seem to have hampered the other iphone OS devices.
Are you giving some variant of Canned Answer No. 489: Nobody else cares? If not, I don't understand your statement. If so, I'd be surprised if you were right.
It's not about right or wrong. Its about buying a product that will suit your needs. Assuming that because you take issue with something everyone else does/should too, is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=iGenius;1561209Yeah? You listen to Pandora or the other 100 music apps while surfing the web? Your Apple device is capable of it. Are you sure that you are getting the most out of the device?[/QUOTE]
No, no I dont use Pandora or any of the 100 other music apps. I listen to the music that I put on my iPhone, and it works great for me.
[QUOTE=iGenius;1561209Cool. Two canned answers in one sentence! "Nobody else cares. You are a deviant in your desires."[/QUOTE]
Again, if you absolutely need flash, then there are other products that will fulfill those needs for you.
IMO, it is fairly ugly. The bezel is MUCH wider than it should be.
And there's no new software, just a new screen size for the same old crippled OS.
But I hope that I am truly myopic, and that developers get all excited about a 4:3 medium-sized screen. I hope you are right. But small screened real computers have existed for years, so I don't see the innovative nature of the device.
iGenius, do me a favour - firmly tape both of your thumbs flat to your hands then pick up your laptop. Now try and type on the keyboard.
It's meant to do everything the Kindle does, plus a helluva lot more (we'll be approaching - but not quite getting to - laptop replacement territory), and look gorgeous in the process, for a bit more money.
For $10 more than the Kindle DX I'm just not sure it's worth it.
... The iPad will sync documents with iTunes just like the iPhone currently does, in addition to accessing cloud, web, and local file shares. ...
WTF?
If this is true then it isn't going *anywhere* in the business world. If iWork syncs it's documents into iTunes the way the voice recorder throws memos in with songs I simply won't be buying it.
The physical restrictions of the form factor are bad enough, but if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me.
Also of note, how can *anything* be a business computer if it doesn't have a USB port?
Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the former much better and intuitive that the latter. Those are the real facts!
iWork is pretty much compatible with MS Office, and iWork is cheaper and already built for the iPad. No need for MS Office at all.
I can see doctors totally using an iPad when they see their patients and syncing it with their with their desktops.
Netbooks are one of the devices that the iPad is intended to replace, but he is mixing up need and want.
Nope, this is NOT intended to replace anything, it is a new device category. Why don't people get this? Laptops and desktops have their place, as do smart phones/PDAs. This is something new, not a replacement. Smarter than a smart phone, not as functional as a netbook/laptop.
WTF?
If this is true then it isn't going *anywhere* in the business world. If iWork syncs it's documents into iTunes the way the voice recorder throws memos in with songs I simply won't be buying it.
The physical restrictions of the form factor are bad enough, but if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me.
Also of note, how can *anything* be a business computer if it doesn't have a USB port?
What do you use your USB port for? There is a USB port btw, an inexpensive adapter - I can't think of a single use for it in a device with 3G and wireless networking though? I do use one of the USB ports on the back of my imac, this is for an external HD - why is this a necessity for a business tablet device?
And don't dismiss the device because of a guess on your part - "if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me. " - Who has stated you can't sync your documents folder with a desktop computer?
What are the restrictions of the form factor?
I heard issues like this when mac removed the ADB port, then removed the floppy disk, next the DVD slot will go - people will be up in arms, but in five years people will ask what they were ever used for. It's called progress, and progress is good.
It has a USB port without a card adapter.
Suggest you visit Apple's iPad site.
How anybody would think that you couldn't access or write to external files boggles the mind.
Wheres the link to Apples page? You are wrong, you boggle my mind.
The iPad would be perfect for my job as a training specialist, although I would definitely need Exchange support. I'm not sure if Bento could handle my database needs. I don't do anything too crazy in Access.
I believe the iPhone has exchange support, as does snow leopard, so I think it's a given that exchange support will be here.
The 'Pad is not a toy.
Correct.
It is suited for heavy-duty use.
Incorrect.
There's a whole world of steps in between those two extremes. The iPad is somewhere in the middle, but much closer to "toy" than "workhorse."
... The iPad will sync documents with iTunes just like the iPhone currently does, in addition to accessing cloud, web, and local file shares.
WTF?
If this is true then it isn't going *anywhere* in the business world. If iWork syncs it's documents into iTunes the way the voice recorder throws memos in with songs I simply won't be buying it.
The physical restrictions of the form factor are bad enough, but if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me.
I think you missed the important bit that makes this ideal for businesses. The iPhone Configuration Utility already takes away the need for iTunes in the Enterprise.
Also of note, how can *anything* be a business computer if it doesn't have a USB port?
It has USB, just not as USB Type-A port.
Only as a beta in a very limited trial basis. It is a step in the right direction, but if you're going to say something to try and one-up someone, give all the details and facts.
The HTML5 video tags a complete success. There are two limiting factors, the lack of interactive video controls which require JSS/CSS and lack of HTML5 browser support with H.264. Both of these will continue to grow faster and faster, especially with Google and Apple adding momentum.
Wheres the link to Apples page? You are wrong, you boggle my mind.
No, he's not - there is an adapter for SD cards and a USB port - this is not a card, it's a bit of plastic that slots into the dock connector socket (whatever it's called) for the occasional use that people would need this for...
Your link:
http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/specs/