No, he's not - there is an adapter for SD cards and a USB port - this is not a card, it's a bit of plastic that slots into the dock connector socket (whatever it's called) for the occasional use that people would need this for...
Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.
FOR ME.
Who says it won't print? It has blue tooth - one of my printers here is bluetooth, it has also has a USB adapter. No one has said it won't print, unless I'm missing something?
Can't remember the last time i printed anything, or faxed anything for that matter. File > PDF > Email delivery. Simples.
A subset of web pages? Don't be ridiculous. That's a stupid statement. At some point the Adobe will sort their software and it will be fit for use on Apple portable devices. But web pages that don't use flash are not a "subset". That's simply nonsense.
The dictionary can be a useful tool.
Here's the first definition I cam across: "a set whose members are members of another set; a set contained within another set"
Can you suggest a better word than the one I used?
I think Apple will have another keynote address in 2 months (when the wifi iPads are due to be released) to reveal additional features as well as a new version of iTunes AND iPhone OS 4.0. The new version of iTunes - iTunes X - will take things to a whole new level.
Here's the first definition I cam across: "a set whose members are members of another set; a set contained within another set"
Can you suggest a better word than the one I used?
Yes, you could have used the phrase "You're not able to access the entire web, as you're unable to access flash content"
However, you're suggesting that flash sites are the 'set', and all else a 'subset' - sites that are entirely flash are in the minority, it is those which are a 'subset'. I disagree with your use of the word, and also the way you try to apply the definition to this application. Non-flash content is not a set contained within a flash 'set'. It is simply that some sites and some content can't be accessed, you can visit every page on the web using apple mobile devices, that all pages won't display correctly is not Apple's fault.
Which, to reiterate is a problem for Adobe to deal with, not one for apple. Once the proprietary, closed software is fixed by it's current owner, it could happily find a place on Apple's mobile devices.
Yeah. I expected a steak dinner from Apple. Instead, they gave us a banana.
Your expectations not being met, do not make this product a 'failure' in anything other than your opinion. In my opinion, I saw a product demonstrated that did exactly what I hoped it would do. My company will be buying 26 of these devices on launch day. I'm just a small UK business. Where is the failure? I'm sat with my steak dinner now - that does exactly what I want it to do also. I love the mac pro, but i don't want it in my living room, nor do i want to lug a laptop around when all I'll do is use it as a music system while checking email and browsing. And I have click2flash installed and manage a perfectly great browsing experience. My world doesn't need flash, it's irritating and the sign of a lazy, retrograde designer.
No corporation in the world would risk letting their execs put games (shall we call them non-business related entertainment apps ?) on company laptops but really, it's absolutely not a problem on an iPad is it since it does not constitute a viral/spyware or security issue. It's probably worth $499 to stop them going nuts in hotel rooms with the mini-bar whilst away on business!
In the corporate world, especially government, everything is a security risk. We're have all iTunes installs on our Windows boxes auto-removed and told to use WiMP instead, due to security vulnerabilities.
Since Blackberrys are the staple at our company, there's no push support put in place, but if Apple would even do the little things and add 'meeting attendees' to calendar entries when synced via iTunes, it would complete ALL my requirements.
Until that time, I still have crackberry envy.
I can't imagine how life would change if FileMaker came out with a true client for the iPhone as well!! (FMTouch unfortunately doesn't cut the mustard)
I assume then that you are essentially suggesting that people don't bother trying it - that they make an assessment and final judgement from a position of total ignorance?
Your assumption is incorrect. And there is no necessary correlation between a lack of "total ignorance" and "trying it". Did you maintain that unless folks try a Hummer, they are totally ignorant about its suitability for tight urban areas with high gas prices? Please.
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1) Anyway, I think this device has enough of it's own exciting momentum and you can bet iPhone OS 4.0 ( when demo'd in June) gets lots of people trying it so they will be able to decided if it's hummer or compact car enough for their particular needs - all knowing they can send it back if it's not right - good that isn't it!
Yeah - inclusion of the old OS was a huge disappointment. I was hoping that iOS 4.0 would be announced. In the current incarnation, I say "Meh". Maybe it will become compelling if the new OS makes it more capable.
In the corporate world, especially government, everything is a security risk. We're have all iTunes installs on our Windows boxes auto-removed and told to use WiMP instead, due to security vulnerabilities.
If you can run an iPhone without risk, then you would think that it goes that you can naturally run an iPad.
Still high-level CTO's will be able to make that assessment.
Huh? WTF? I said the overly wide bezel was ugly. What is this about no thumbs?
I think his point was about the size of the bevel being perfect. If you measure the heel of your hand from the base of your thumb, up to and including the full width of your thumb (for when not interacting), then this bezel is a perfect fit for that, give or take a few millimetres. SO if you don't want the bezel, you need to remove your thumbs from the equation.
Your assumption is incorrect. And there is no necessary correlation between a lack of "total ignorance" and "trying it". Did you maintain that unless folks try a Hummer, they are totally ignorant about its suitability for tight urban areas with high gas prices? Please.
Yeah - inclusion of the old OS was a huge disappointment. I was hoping that iOS 4.0 would be announced. In the current incarnation, I say "Meh". Maybe it will become compelling if the new OS makes it more capable.
1) Ok, let's go with the vehicle analogy then.
Let's say a Laptop is a Hummer ( all purpose rugged off-roading vehicle right, expensive to buy and own and maintain and run)
That would make an iPad a little two seater convertible sports car. Great for sunny days down the beach, cruising, laying back with your honey listening to tunes, seeing the sights and having fun in the corners.
Now, your saying because you own a Hummer you won't ever need a little two seater sports convertible. Clearly I understand the convertible will not be practical in a military off-road desert situation, but seriously, why cruise the beach front in a Hummer when you can do it in a cheap sports car and leave behemoth on the drive!
Now, if you've only ever driven a Hummer all your life, then you really don't know the joys of a little two seater sports convertible, do you!
2) Well, dreams can come true. Come June, watch the skies!
I would agree with the comments that it won't take (at least quickly) in the business realm. In business you need interoperability. VGA outputs on the device you are presenting from, the ability to quickly insert a thumb drive with the presentation on it because somebody made edits the night before. The ability to put documents on a thumb drive so you can quickly run into Kinkos to get those hand outs you edited until 3am printed in color.
Business isn't going to work around a devices limitations, the device needs to conform to business needs. You have no idea how much I would love to replace a bulky laptop when traveling, but reality is that with this device, it isn't going to happen until they create more add-ons, use our office programs, etc. It may work for some. I think it would be great to take one in addition to a laptop, browsing news in bed without the bulk of the laptop, but then again, it is in addition to at this point...
Well, it seems adequate FOR YOU. But what about the rest of us?
You have posted this same reply several times on more than one thread over the last few days. Your posts also seem to outnumber anybody else's. What the hell do you do for a living which allows you this much time to rant and rave a bout a product you don't like and clearly will never buy? You truly are an incessant whinger. Don't you ever get bored of yourself? I mean, have you got no self awareness? No alarm bells, yet?
However, you're suggesting that flash sites are the 'set',
Nope. All websites are the set. The sites that can be optimally accessed by the 'Pad are the subset.
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and all else a 'subset' - sites that are entirely flash are in the minority, it is those which are a 'subset'.
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I disagree with your use of the word, and also the way you try to apply the definition to this application. Non-flash content is not a set contained within a flash 'set'.
Correct. Non-flash websites are a subset of websites, rather than a subset of flash websites. But so what?
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It is simply that some sites and some content can't be accessed,
Bing. Now you are catching on.
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you can visit every page on the web using apple mobile devices, that all pages won't display correctly is not Apple's fault.
Fault? What does it matter whose fault it is that the device will access only a subet of web sites? I don't understand why fault is relevant to the inadequacies of the device.
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No, he's not - there is an adapter for SD cards and a USB port - this is not a card, it's a bit of plastic that slots into the dock connector socket (whatever it's called) for the occasional use that people would need this for...
Your link:
http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/specs/
Just came back. Thank you.
Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.
FOR ME.
Who says it won't print? It has blue tooth - one of my printers here is bluetooth, it has also has a USB adapter. No one has said it won't print, unless I'm missing something?
Can't remember the last time i printed anything, or faxed anything for that matter. File > PDF > Email delivery. Simples.
A subset of web pages? Don't be ridiculous. That's a stupid statement. At some point the Adobe will sort their software and it will be fit for use on Apple portable devices. But web pages that don't use flash are not a "subset". That's simply nonsense.
The dictionary can be a useful tool.
Here's the first definition I cam across: "a set whose members are members of another set; a set contained within another set"
Can you suggest a better word than the one I used?
You don't compare a banana with a steak dinner. Yes, they are both food, but there the similarity ends. Pointless comparison is just that - pointless.
Yeah. I expected a steak dinner from Apple. Instead, they gave us a banana.
The dictionary can be a useful tool.
Here's the first definition I cam across: "a set whose members are members of another set; a set contained within another set"
Can you suggest a better word than the one I used?
Yes, you could have used the phrase "You're not able to access the entire web, as you're unable to access flash content"
However, you're suggesting that flash sites are the 'set', and all else a 'subset' - sites that are entirely flash are in the minority, it is those which are a 'subset'. I disagree with your use of the word, and also the way you try to apply the definition to this application. Non-flash content is not a set contained within a flash 'set'. It is simply that some sites and some content can't be accessed, you can visit every page on the web using apple mobile devices, that all pages won't display correctly is not Apple's fault.
Which, to reiterate is a problem for Adobe to deal with, not one for apple. Once the proprietary, closed software is fixed by it's current owner, it could happily find a place on Apple's mobile devices.
Nope. Guess again, Kreskin.
What sort of delusional fool are you? Anyone who calls ONESELF a "genius" is obviously manic on the subject.
Yeah. I expected a steak dinner from Apple. Instead, they gave us a banana.
Your expectations not being met, do not make this product a 'failure' in anything other than your opinion. In my opinion, I saw a product demonstrated that did exactly what I hoped it would do. My company will be buying 26 of these devices on launch day. I'm just a small UK business. Where is the failure? I'm sat with my steak dinner now - that does exactly what I want it to do also. I love the mac pro, but i don't want it in my living room, nor do i want to lug a laptop around when all I'll do is use it as a music system while checking email and browsing. And I have click2flash installed and manage a perfectly great browsing experience. My world doesn't need flash, it's irritating and the sign of a lazy, retrograde designer.
I know a lot of employees and colleagues who are already eyeing the 'pad up as a replacement for unnecessary laptops
Additionally, I'm from one of those many companies who have blocked the flash plug in on all devices
We don't use office,
Well, it seems adequate FOR YOU. But what about the rest of us?
No corporation in the world would risk letting their execs put games (shall we call them non-business related entertainment apps ?) on company laptops but really, it's absolutely not a problem on an iPad is it since it does not constitute a viral/spyware or security issue. It's probably worth $499 to stop them going nuts in hotel rooms with the mini-bar whilst away on business!
In the corporate world, especially government, everything is a security risk. We're have all iTunes installs on our Windows boxes auto-removed and told to use WiMP instead, due to security vulnerabilities.
Well, it seems adequate FOR YOU. But what about the rest of us?
The 'rest of you' don't have to buy this device - it's not becoming law to own one. LMAO.
Until that time, I still have crackberry envy.
I can't imagine how life would change if FileMaker came out with a true client for the iPhone as well!! (FMTouch unfortunately doesn't cut the mustard)
1)
I assume then that you are essentially suggesting that people don't bother trying it - that they make an assessment and final judgement from a position of total ignorance?
Your assumption is incorrect. And there is no necessary correlation between a lack of "total ignorance" and "trying it". Did you maintain that unless folks try a Hummer, they are totally ignorant about its suitability for tight urban areas with high gas prices? Please.
1) Anyway, I think this device has enough of it's own exciting momentum and you can bet iPhone OS 4.0 ( when demo'd in June) gets lots of people trying it so they will be able to decided if it's hummer or compact car enough for their particular needs - all knowing they can send it back if it's not right - good that isn't it!
Yeah - inclusion of the old OS was a huge disappointment. I was hoping that iOS 4.0 would be announced. In the current incarnation, I say "Meh". Maybe it will become compelling if the new OS makes it more capable.
Try picking up your laptop and typing on it without using your thumbs - you'll find it impossible.
Huh? WTF? I said the overly wide bezel was ugly. What is this about no thumbs?
In the corporate world, especially government, everything is a security risk. We're have all iTunes installs on our Windows boxes auto-removed and told to use WiMP instead, due to security vulnerabilities.
If you can run an iPhone without risk, then you would think that it goes that you can naturally run an iPad.
Still high-level CTO's will be able to make that assessment.
Huh? WTF? I said the overly wide bezel was ugly. What is this about no thumbs?
I think his point was about the size of the bevel being perfect. If you measure the heel of your hand from the base of your thumb, up to and including the full width of your thumb (for when not interacting), then this bezel is a perfect fit for that, give or take a few millimetres. SO if you don't want the bezel, you need to remove your thumbs from the equation.
Your assumption is incorrect. And there is no necessary correlation between a lack of "total ignorance" and "trying it". Did you maintain that unless folks try a Hummer, they are totally ignorant about its suitability for tight urban areas with high gas prices? Please.
Yeah - inclusion of the old OS was a huge disappointment. I was hoping that iOS 4.0 would be announced. In the current incarnation, I say "Meh". Maybe it will become compelling if the new OS makes it more capable.
1) Ok, let's go with the vehicle analogy then.
Let's say a Laptop is a Hummer ( all purpose rugged off-roading vehicle right, expensive to buy and own and maintain and run)
That would make an iPad a little two seater convertible sports car. Great for sunny days down the beach, cruising, laying back with your honey listening to tunes, seeing the sights and having fun in the corners.
Now, your saying because you own a Hummer you won't ever need a little two seater sports convertible. Clearly I understand the convertible will not be practical in a military off-road desert situation, but seriously, why cruise the beach front in a Hummer when you can do it in a cheap sports car and leave behemoth on the drive!
Now, if you've only ever driven a Hummer all your life, then you really don't know the joys of a little two seater sports convertible, do you!
2) Well, dreams can come true. Come June, watch the skies!
Business isn't going to work around a devices limitations, the device needs to conform to business needs. You have no idea how much I would love to replace a bulky laptop when traveling, but reality is that with this device, it isn't going to happen until they create more add-ons, use our office programs, etc. It may work for some. I think it would be great to take one in addition to a laptop, browsing news in bed without the bulk of the laptop, but then again, it is in addition to at this point...
Well, it seems adequate FOR YOU. But what about the rest of us?
You have posted this same reply several times on more than one thread over the last few days. Your posts also seem to outnumber anybody else's. What the hell do you do for a living which allows you this much time to rant and rave a bout a product you don't like and clearly will never buy? You truly are an incessant whinger. Don't you ever get bored of yourself? I mean, have you got no self awareness? No alarm bells, yet?
However, you're suggesting that flash sites are the 'set',
Nope. All websites are the set. The sites that can be optimally accessed by the 'Pad are the subset.
and all else a 'subset' - sites that are entirely flash are in the minority, it is those which are a 'subset'.
FLAME REMOVED
I disagree with your use of the word, and also the way you try to apply the definition to this application. Non-flash content is not a set contained within a flash 'set'.
Correct. Non-flash websites are a subset of websites, rather than a subset of flash websites. But so what?
It is simply that some sites and some content can't be accessed,
Bing. Now you are catching on.
you can visit every page on the web using apple mobile devices, that all pages won't display correctly is not Apple's fault.
Fault? What does it matter whose fault it is that the device will access only a subet of web sites? I don't understand why fault is relevant to the inadequacies of the device.